Thetownend.com

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630304



Scumbags decapitate an army cadet and then start stabbing him on the ground before being shot by armed police.

So "of Muslim appearance" is reason enough to call it a suspected terror attack?

Clearly more than meets the eye here. A cobra meeting has been called which normally means it's something pretty serious. I'd imagine MI5 has some inside knowledge on this incident. The "feds" clearly didn't waste their time.

Dubious about the use of the phrase "Terrorist Attack". Even if (as is unconfirmed but seems likely) it's an extremist muslim who has perpetrated this hideous attack, surely this is a (relatively) targeted murder?

Splitting hairs for now though, RIP the victim. Wouldn't shed any tears if the perpetrators were to be "accidentally" shot in the same way the FBI seem to have accidentally shot a witness connected to the Boston bombings.

But yeah, as IOB says, Cobra + armed police on scene almost immediately is suspicious.

The 'feds' never do waste time in serious offences.

Cobra is just a standard response to a suspected terror incident though. And Trojan are rapid response, so naturally would've been there quickly.

Beeb reckon it took 20 minutes, which is not quite what I had in mind by "on the scene almost immediately" but is reasonable when you think about it.

However that does suggest that the attackers literally made no attempt to flee the scene, which is chilling.

Where's Crispy when you need him?

Putting a bet on

Vile scum. Fucking hate 'em.

Hi DMR!

The authorities probably know what group these fellas are associated with.

Amazing video on the news of one of the blokes, post-attack, chatting shit to a passer by whist holding a meat cleaver covered in blood

ITN have a video showing one of the bloodied attackers.

http://www.itv.com/news/

How the fuck is that guy 'of Muslim appearance'?

He's a black bloke wearing a beanie hat FFS

I think what he was saying was the giveaway.....

Oh yeah, ha ha.

That might be a bit of a clue.

Anybody fancy Woolwich for a beer or two tomorrow?

The victim was beheaded?

Sick and so so sad.

Not with your brainless EDL cunty mates, no. They'll use this as a springboard for spouting their ridiculous super-far-right tripe, and I fear for those that'll gobble it all up.

Really, really nasty goings on. Thoughts are with the victims family.

It's well known Muslims hate the western society, shouting that shit whilst hacking to death an innocent man makes me feel fucking sick, those 2 wounded will no doubt be well looked after by our society

How many Muslims do you know?

I watch many program's,

Which ones?

Sunday brunch :nod:

Religion doing its worst again. Why are people so fucking stupid?

My thoughts go out to the victim and his family....Mixed thoughts really, hundreds of deaths of service personnel overseas in Iraq and Afghan and you get de sensitized to it but as soon as one death happens in the mainland UK and it gets a lot of coverage.
I spent two years posted in central London with the Scots Guards in the mid 80s and we were always told to be on our guard and not to let on what we did. "Never wear uniform" was a golden rule even regimental t-shirts when out jogging in St James' Park was a no go..
I no longer believe its just the EDL "Knuckle draggers" who will kick off now but this will seriously piss off ex squaddies too who want a quiet life (like me) but worryingly it comes at a time when Farrage and his buddies are getting into mainstream politics..I am starting to see the attraction and await the back lash from the idealistic wet liberals to shoot me down. Yes, the majority of British Muslims I know are good and decent people but like in every walk of life (yes, even some Oxford fans are decent) but there are also dangerous fanatics.

Can I now be put forward to the Dostoyevsky award please...

You are an idiot.

The scariest things about extremists is that they actually believe they are doing the right thing.

*pogroms.

Fuck you, you little prick, you don't no what goes on in the real world your to busy trolling football forum sites

This is what happens when the west want be liberators.

Get our soldiers out.

Jimmy Savile was a paedophile. So was Gary Glitter. Does that make you one, too?

https://twitter.com/BOYADEE

apparently an eyewitness account. amazing if true.

Take off your rosé tinted glasses

paedo

Grow up you cock

"Then the next breda try buss off the rusty 45 and it just backfires and blows mans finger clean off."

Wonderful karma if thats true.

Wonderful Karma but terrible English.

I'm a good old fashioned lefty but can't see what's wrong with this.

The problem with racist, or religious fanatics,  whatever their creed or colour, is they're all basically fucked in the head. How any sane, logical person could do what was done earlier escapes me. Equally, anyone that now targets people of the same religion as the suspected perpetrators, solely because of that one link, is fucking brain dead.
At least the irish are ok, I remember when the were all terrorists....

I suppose you prefer White tinted? (There's a wine joke in there for you woolster, just in case you've missed it)

I work with a shitload of muslims and can safely say that I've never had my head chopped off. Neither have any of my colleagues.  You are a delusional prick, open your eyes and stop believing everything the EDL say. Jesus.

Read it again.

I live in a Muslim neighbourhood. I can see the local mosque right now and can hear their calls to prayer if the windows are open. I've also spent time in Muslim states.

I think that all religion is a big scam and should be banned for being the greatest scam ever. However of all the Muslim people I have met, and I have met many, each and every one has been very, very friendly and welcoming. I also feel safer here in this Muslim neighbourhood than I have done in any neighbourhood back in the UK.

Sorry Woolster, I'm sure you're a lovely bloke, but I feel it is my duty as a member of society to tell you that your views are deplorable.

Turning to that twitter feed linked to above, looks like somebody put an actual account through a street-ification app and posted the results.  Amusing really, in spite of the awful subject matter.

I have. I still can't see much wrong with it. If you inserted the word "some" between known and Muslims then OK.

Bloody scary stuff and all thoughts must be with victims family at this time....

Couple of things with the reporting,  at what stage does two nutters with cleaver and gun become a terrorist attack,  and secondly why do they insist on reporting comments of Cameron,  Boris etc.  They are hardly going to come out and say 'well don't know what the fuss is about'.

I was about to post the same. (Not that it makes it much more "right").

A little knee-jerk perhaps, but it's not like the complete over-reaction of some (i.e. most of Twitter) which are saying we should deport all Muslims/kill all Muslims etc.

Blimey!! I think I just about understood that? Pure craziness so sad some mental people out there

You're taking the actions of a very small number of people and using it to label an entire section of society.

Like saying all English people are football hooligans, all Christians are paedophiles and all Germans want to take over the world. OK, the last one is true but you get my point.

That one word is a pretty important omission. Without it, it could be surmised that the poster was tarring all Muslims.

That's fine, I must be wrong as the TEF know it all, I apologise

Fuck off you white honky cunt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EROXP8JDG9M

:)

I'm really not sure how I feel about any media choosing to publish this. Freedom of reporting is one thing, but clearly this was done for shock value and publicity, and I can't help thinking the file should have been deleted.

That bloke doesn't sound very foreign. Where should we deport him too?

A thousand times this

Wales!

I think they shot him, so it's not going to come up.

I disagree, if we can all go to the cinema or watch tv and see the equivalent but with corn starch blood, we should bloody well put up with the distaste of real life violence.

Edit: apologies, I can't really disagree with a statement prefaced by "I'm really not sure..." so my response was probably overstated.

Sick bastards.

TWAT!

It's alright, you're entitled to your opinion which I don't disagree with. I'm not expressing a distaste for the violence involved, the blood isn't the problem. I just question whether something like this which is most likely done as a political statement should be given the publicity that the attacker clearly wanted it to get.

Very good, eloquent, point.

A fair point, but I think the act itself is sufficient as a political statement.  The fact the footage was shown probably doesn't add a great deal, in my view.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303
He said after the "horrendous" attack, the two men, who were also in their 20s, stood around, waving knives and a gun, and asked people to take pictures of them "as if they wanted to be on TV or something".

Tough one, because it's hard not to think that they got what they wanted. The more things like this are glorified, the more they will happen. There's a Charlie Brooker thing on school shootings that makes this point better than I will. If the story is 'two mentally ill people on drugs commit a crime and attack an innocent man' it's not a global story. If it's 'members of the global jihad attack - live on tv', then it's discussed everywhere - even on football forums. Which means people who do this shit for attention are more likely to do it.

As the common objectives of terrorism attacks is to put fear and terror into the public,  does not showing such footage just play into the perpetrators hands?  You have to wonder about the person who saw a guy wandering about with a knife and cleaver and thought to film him?

Whenever anything like this happens, Facebook turns into a BNP recruitment site.

I get people's anger, but lets calm down a bit and not tar everyone with the same brush.

I'm a lazy writer. The one word put my point across.

If the press did not release the footage then they would be accused of a cover up. Accusations of a cover up would only fuel groups like the the EDL/BNP further.

And your a wanker

Do you think that is the aim though?  I suppose maybe it is.  It's hard to try to rationalise what they are doing.  With NI terrorism I suppose it was about bullying the UK government into withdrawing their claim to the 9 Counties so terrorising the public into submission was expected to bring about that end.  With Islam extremism it's hard to understand in such terms.  I think it was Charlie Brooker who said "you cannot negotiate with someone whose stated aim is the destruction of western civilisation - where do you go from there?" or words to that effect.

*You're

You're not coming out of this at all well. You do have the option of not digging the hole deeper.

fully accepted. I might have one now

Get a life ffs

Ouch!

I await one of your bum boys to post and back you up

Lay off BR would you?

 :moon:

If this was a couple of white guys/non religious people that had commited this ghastly act would I still have to stare at that ugly cunt Theresa May issuing an urgent statement on BBC News?

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To add a little proof to your stupid comment. Malaysia is a Muslim country, there are other people with other religions that live there peacefully but the majority are Muslim. In the centre of Kuala Lumpur during the Christian holiday of Christmas they have lights and banners celebrating Christmas. Nobody get's offended, lots of Muslims say merry Christmas to Christians and everyone get's along just fine.

I have seen it with my own eyes.

Also, Kota Bharu, the most Islamic city in Malaysia welcomes westerners with open arms. They do ask for respect and to abide by their rules but there is no outcry if a female wears a short skirt or if a few beers are being drunk.

It's idiotic comments from people like you that fuel hatred

TWAT

I landed in KL on Christmas Day one year and waited ages for a taxi.  Was mildly surprised when I was told it was "because it's Christmas"

Mind you, I'm no religious scholar and I'm not entirely clear on the Muslim view of Jesus.  I gather they regard him as a prophet (rather than the son of god) so they are somewhat less opposed to him than Jews (I'm sure a TEF expert could correct me here).

Edit: From the bearer of all knowledge that is Wikipedia:

Isa ( Arabic: عيسى, Transliteration: ʿĪsā ), known as Jesus in the New Testament, is considered to be a Messenger of God and the Masih (Messiah) in Islam[1] who was sent to guide the Children of Israel (banī isrā'īl) with a new scripture, the Injīl or Gospel.[2] The belief in Jesus (and all other messengers of God) is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim. The Quran mentions Jesus by name twenty-five times, while it only mentions Muhammad by name four times as Muhammad and once as Ahmad; making it a total of five times.[3][4] It states that Jesus was born to Mary (Arabic: Maryam) as the result of virginal conception, a miraculous event which occurred by the decree of God (Arabic: Allah). To aid in his ministry to the Jewish people, Jesus was given the ability to perform miracles (such as healing the blind, bringing dead people back to life, etc.), all by the permission of God rather than of his own power.

Edit, Edit: This page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic%E2%80%93Jewish_relations), again from the font of all knowledge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page), is interesting:

Islamic–Jewish relations started in the 7th century CE with the origin and spread of Islam in the Arabian peninsula. The two religions share similar values, guidelines, and principles.[1] Islam also incorporates Jewish history as a part of its own. Muslims regard the Children of Israel as an important religious concept in Islam. Moses, the most important prophet of Judaism, is also considered a prophet and messenger in Islam.[2] Moses is mentioned more in the Quran than any other individual, and his life is narrated and recounted more than that any other prophet.[3] There are approximately forty-three references to the Israelites in the Quran (excluding individual prophets),[4] and many in the Hadith. Later rabbinic authorities and Jewish scholars such as Maimonides discussed the relationship between Islam and Jewish law. Maimonides himself, it has been argued, was influenced by Islamic legal thought.[5]

Because Islam and Judaism share a common origin in the Middle East through Abraham, both are considered Abrahamic religions. There are many shared aspects between Judaism and Islam; Islam was strongly influenced by Judaism in its fundamental religious outlook, structure, jurisprudence and practice.[1] Because of this similarity, as well as through the influence of Muslim culture and philosophy on the Jewish community within the Islamic world, there has been considerable and continued physical, theological, and political overlap between the two faiths in the subsequent 1,400 years.

tldr, but it gives a sense that the whole Islam v Judaism thing is more political that religion based.

Having spent a lot of time around Muslims Christmas is not so much a religious thing in much the same way it isn't for many in the West.

Bloody hell, if you have strength in your convictions stick to them, to resort to petty (and homophobic - but we will gloss over that) just appears a little poorly considered and petulant.

Class dismissed  :smugfu:

We've stumbled across the rarest of things.

A stupid racist

Ha

Who'da thunk it?

Why are people sticking up for this breed of vermin?

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Flashheart is OK when you get used to him ;)

:D

 :)

Go on then, I'll bite

Elaborate.....

The internet is a wonderful platform for people to reveal their ignorance after all. Why waste it?

I genuinely wasn't sure if he meant Woolster or the attackers or Muslims. Don't think anyone has stuck up for the attackers, who really are indefensible vermin.

Not sure anyone who can tie their own shoe laces thinks all Muslims are vermin.

So ???

Its Idiots who have done this deed who fuel the hatred.....not people like Woolster(and myself )who is sick to death of people defending the actions of these people.....people who fly planes into buildings and kill thousands....including many of there own religion....beheading workers all over the planet.....innocent workers earning a living.

I could go on and on....of course all Muslims are not terrorists but the ones who commit these crimes deserve the scorn they recieve.

Some of you on here need to have a good look at yourselfs if you think the EDL or Woolster is flaming the hatred.

Read arriba's post....he gets it bang on.

So who is it people are hating?

I hope to god you are joking.  By "these people" are you referring to all muslims (who I and others on this thread are defending) or the islam-fascists who perpetrate these crimes?  (You are aware that there is a difference between these two subgroups, aren't you?  :hmmm:)

Of course they do.

Do you think anybody is defending the individuals guilty of such crimes?

Grow up.....these people....mean these people who do the dirty deed..not the innocent muslims who hate these scum as muh as i do.

Stop trying to be clever.....you aint that great at it.

See Tommy Robinson is on his way to woolwich with his muslamic rayguns

 :D

But Lee, you accused people of defending the actions of these people. Nobody has (that I can see).

They have merely been defending the liberty of the millions of perfectly reasonable Muslims who've been cast under the same "extremist scum" banner.

I call bullshit on this comment.  Fair enough that you edited your original comment, but to then slate my reaction to the original un-edited version is below the belt.  Cunt.

Leefer, can you please point out where someone has defended the head chopping lunatic? Or the plane hijacking lunatics? Or the tube destroying lunatics?

The voice of reason.

My outburst was referring to Woolsters comment "It's well known Muslims hate the western society" and that is utter stupidity and ignorant.

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Time for a happy owl.

Since I appear to have assigned myself the role of hand-wringing lilly-livered liberal on this thread, I feel I should make it clear that I also agree with this statement (not that anybody is/should be interested in what I believe).  I am a card carrying atheist but I don't think the vast majority or muslims should be tarred because of the actions of a few dozen extremists.

It does seem to be a class thing too.

[Flashheart] Go on then, elaborate [/Flashheart]

For those of you that have facebook, look at your newsfeed, evaluate the people who are posting racist remarks in light of what has happened. In my case nobody from my year at school (grammar school) has posted anything racist. But people I know from other schools have. If anyone has liked the Football Accumulators or LAD Bible pages, look at the posts about today's events. When you put the racist remarks with the profile pics, and the anti-racist remarks with the profile pics there is a clear working class vs middle class divide.

Waits.

Fortunately I've not seen any racist remarks in my news feed from friends (probably because I have none, chortle).

There were some unpleasant remarks in some 'pages' I have 'liked' (hopefully you know what I mean) which make me despair, really.

Same. I identify as middle class, and as a 'liberal hand-wringer' as well I suppose. Perhaps because of that my friends are similar.

The ignorance on display makes me despair nearly as much as the act itself. There is perhaps a more working-class tone to the racism, but saying that all middle class are innocent or all working class are guilty is the same as saying all muslims are guilty of the crime. It's needless generalisation which helps no-one.

On a seperate note the police woman who made the shots today is under scrutiny by the IPCC.

Standard procedure whenever a police officer hits someone with a firearm, don't read much into that yet.

Shot by a girl? Allah ain't gonna like that...

(I'm sorry.)

I understand that the IPCC investigate them all, but the word scrutiny has been used.

The whole thing is a little odd, now nearly 12 hours after the event the reports the victim was a soldier remain unconfirmed?  

All generalisations stem from a 'general' example. The term generalisation is just adding an inflated figure to it. I can only say what I've seen from my point of view, not generalising.

I'd describe those 2 attackers with 2 words...'Cowards' and 'Cunts', thoughts go to the soldier who was the victim and his family! A truely shocking event.

Terrorists aren't always Muslims. Muslims aren't always terrorists. It's quite simple really.

Tragic and disturbing events.

They may not have been able to reach the family yet

Hell

Indeed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan)

 :doh:

http://awesomescreenshot.com/06e16tsjb1

...I know I shouldn't be surprised that EDL members might not be the sharpest tools in the box, but come on now.

(For those who aren't aware that's Brighton Pavilion, a former royal palace built in 1787. And distinctly not a Mosque.)

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Where does that photo mention edl?  :sherlock:

I was thinking the same, you'd have thought people would be fearful for their own safety, but there seemed to be a lot of people hanging around.

I would imagine the footage is extremely distresding for the family of the victim since he's covered in his blood.

People commenting in Facebook "bring back the death penalty"

I say, bring in the death penalty for anyone so ignorant to think the death penalty would act as a deterrent to a muslim extremist who, after stabbing a man, pointedly waits around for the armed police to arrive and then rushes at them with a meat cleaver.  I despair at how fucking stupid people can be.

(Not suggesting I'm massively intelligent myself, but that takes the biscuit)

'Scroll down for videos // Did you witness the killing and take pictures or video? Or do you know the men involved? Email us: [email protected]'

Now this really boils my blood, show some fucking respect to this poor chaps friends and family.

Anything for your five minutes of fame. Fuckers. Everything that's wrong with Journalism the Daily mail.

I've been watching the BBC news for the last few hours and that video is just surreal. Especially the old lady with her shopping trolley who walks right past him as he's giving his speech.

Not only that but very irresponsible, anyone with pictures, videos or information should be speaking to the police and not the Daily fucking Mail.

It really is surreal. Surely people couldn't have been oblivious to what had happened?

I've walked into a lamppost before because I'd zoned out whilst walking down the street.

I would think the smell of human blood in the air and a crazy bloke waving a couple of blood-soaked knives would be impossible to miss mind...

Quite.  Let us be clear: thousands of atrocities are committed every day around the world.  Some may be by people who use religion as a cover, others politics, others tribalism, others family disputes, others antagonism to religion.  All of them by human beings.

So lets stop blaming any particular cultural group and demanding that all religion (or anything else) is banned;  and make sure those responsible for this appalling crime are properly held to account, as 99.99% of Muslims would also expect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_QbTlUSP28


These are not 'Islamic extremists' (Per say; bombings, murders) , but they're trying to implement Sharia into 'Their Areas' of London.

It's certainly becoming a probleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem!

I agree, unfortunately, as the USSR found out that don't work. (I understand you're not being entirely serious)

I want to live in Star Trek, fuck this shit, seriously. Religion is just another of those ancient traditions that mean bull and shit and cause more harm than good.

Im sure we can sort these arguments over a fried chicken meal

Yeah, but the muslims who want to implement sharia law but do not perpetrate "bombings, murder" can be ignored.  I would equate them with the Chirstians who, in contrast to the majority of right minded individuals, oppose civil partnership (I don't say marriage because I accept that whilst I am in favour of gay marriage it is slightly more contentious, marriage being a traditionally religious institution) or the teaching of contraception in schools.

The solution is a benevolent dictatorship.

Huh? Why should they be ignored? Why we have to abide by the rules they set for certain areas?

Opposing gay marriage is a tad different, as is teaching contraception in schools to physically upping sticks, going to a new country, and trying to change their rules & laws.

We shouldn't abide by their rules.  We should ignore them.  As my post said.

Those who want sharia law will never be in a position of power to implement it.

They are implementing it, all be it not legally,  'The Muslim Patrol' goes around and tells people off for breaking Sharia Law in 'Their Muslim/Sharia areas'

Fo' Real.

Edit - And why should we ignore them, as my post said?

I don't know enough about this to comment really, but based on what you have said I would suggest ignoring them and, if their enforcement of their "laws" strays over the boundaries set by the law of the land, shop them to the police and let the authorities deal with it.  That ought to be enough without resorting to deportation of people who have a legal right to be here (and in many cases, I suspect, were born here).

:facepalm:

Azkeban

How is that any different from other religions, most of which prescribe and attempt to control the behaviour of their followers to one degree or another.

The Muslim Patrol :D fucking genius. One group of men acting like retards, and suddenly all Muslims are trying to make your mum don a burkha? Open your eyes, stop believing everything you're being fed.

I hear the EDL made a useful contribution anyway - gathered in Woolwich, as invited by Crispy, and threw bottles at the police.  Excellent.  Well done.  But then perhaps they were 'just a few thugs, not representative of the EDL mainstream'.....

I'm going to join the EDL

http://www.edl.me/about_edl.html

Quite how serious is the threat of a Muslim republic in Market Lavington anyway?

Those who want to live under Sharia law should just fuck off to an Islamic state

Isn’t that essentially what Australia have told those within their country who hold those beliefs to do?

Good for them

Too many mealy-mouthed bleeding heart fucking liberals in this country

So you're an expert on Sharia Law then?

They can bang on about Sharia law all they like, it doesn't make a blind bit of difference. I could demand Flashheart law if I wanted and they could even allow me it, but I'd still have to obey the law of the land, huzzah.

That, of course, is the reasonable view. Unfortunately a minority do not recognise any other laws other than Sharia

Whether they recognise it or not they still have to abide by it.

But the law does not stop them carrying out any attacks.

The law is there after the event unfortunately

Except for all the anti terrorism legislation that prevented other attacks like the recent planned Bassett attack you mean.

Or the planned liquid plane bombing attacks.

Or..

The law is there, but it can no more stop all terrorist attacks than it can all nutters that walk through towns shooting people randomly. Some things just can't be detected.

Yesterday had nothing to do with sharia law, the attackers wanted to shock and be a cartoon villain.

It could have been a nut job with no religious affiliation couldn’t it? Or another non-Islamic extremist terrorist organisation like the IRA. Or a group of young white racists killing a black kid.

Or a wealthy white man with a hatred of Islam killing a load of of innocent kids.

Yep. Everything was right for the media to capitalise on this murder. Yet go back to the beginning of the month and this got barely any coverage: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police

It plays into the media's hands to report this, and the shocking footage and horrific hate speech spouting from one of the killer's mouths, shown prime time and repeated multiple times since is utterly, utterly distasteful. It's obvious the killers wanted this, wanted the coverage, wanted to be seen and heard and martyred, otherwise they would have left the scene. The coverage keeps talking about how they 'didn't make attempts to leave the scene' but doesn't put two and two together as to why. By the news covering this in the blanket, disgusting, unsympathetic manner it has done, the killers have won their victory. It's like showing pictures of the killer, of sirens and flashing lights after a school shooting, they're glorifying the events that happened by giving these people a national platform.

It really fucks me off how news outlets behave. The day 24-hour news started is the day any hope of true journalism died.

And the public lapping it up. It's like something out of a Batman film.

https://twitter.com/nickgriffinmep/status/337519936631095296

I wondered how long it'd take...

I'm just amused that Nick Griffin follows the BBC, the Guardian and the Independent.

Some people ask why the hate for Muslims? I think the basic answer is that if I go and kill my neighbour I would not say it was done in the name of Christianity, if they just ran him over and cut his head off it would have 'just' been a shocking murder committed by a couple of nutters.

The fact they justify it through their religious beliefs means people will naturally associate and criticise Muslims in general in the same way if they had been wearing Swindon scarves and the guy had supported Oxford people would be condemning Swindon supporters and branding them all as dangerous.

It's human nature to be wary of things that hurt us - I got bitten by an Alsatian when I was young and it makes me hate all Alsatians but not all Alsatians are bad...

Yeah she's Jude Law sister isnt she?

No man likes Jude Law

Yes but thats becauise you are not a nutter isn't it, and if you were a nutter who wanted maximum press coverage then possibly you would say it was religious, as by proven yesterday it gets you all over the media.

I still cannot get my head round what constitutes terrorism, I assume that this lot were part of a wider cell and thus could be termed terriorists and not just nutters.

A miniscule minority at that. The EDL just like to inflate/exaggerate everything that's related to Islam. I never see them come up with proven figures for anything.

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It's term used for any act that has the intent of placing fear to a wider community than the act itself... What they did wasn't about killing an individual it was about making a statement of intent

There are far more acts of violence committed by the IRA in the UK (Northern Ireland every week) than by Muslim extremists. We can't take any chances so I propose ALL IRISH PEOPLE OUT! They're all the same aren't they?

Saw this on Facebook, pretty spot on:
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Can you be sure of that

I don't know if this has been answered or mentioned but i was just wondering myself, i thought that Islam had two different groups Sunni and Shia, so even Muslims have different belief structures to religion.

It has more than that, they're just the two main ones.

I got you babe?

 ;D

Very clever  :D

Interesting that once again the named perpetrator is a later convert to the Muslim faith,  seems to be a recurring theme and just looks like sad individuals seeking a 'cause' with which to make their life.

I think this is pretty much spot on. This is really academic, but makes the case for this point:
http://www.hum.au.dk/ckulturf/pages/publications/mt/parameters_islamic_terror.pdf

Embracing terrorism imparts a sense of importance and destiny to those
who find the modern world to be stifling, chaotic, and dangerously out of control. In
this context martyrdom becomes a real option for individuals desperately attempting
to gain dignity and influence over their lives.

Interesting video

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-attack-video-watch-shocking-1907772

Pity they didnt shoot to kill -would have saved a fortune

By the looks of it the coppers did well to get a shot off before they got stabbed/cleavered, let alone have time to pick where to shoot them.

Plus I believe it's procedure to shoot to disarm/disable rather than shoot to kill.

Yeah I know shoot to kill isnt policy, still a pity they didnt.
Years locked up in a cushy cell c/w tv and playstation will cost a fortune

London Bridge closed according to twitter. Man with an axe reported.

Hopefully just the usual nonsense rumours.

Its a millwall fan thinking its next wednesday

Shit loads of police etc and a sea of people flooding out the station but it opened again in time for me to get the 5.56 Brighton train home, albeit 15 minutes delayed.

I can confirm I didn't have an axe.

......just a small chopper....