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Title: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: News Monkey on Monday, March 4, 2013, 07:00:06
Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
           
           



  ANDY Williams believes the belief new boss Kevin MacDonald instilled in his players at half-time played a major part in Swindon’s dramatic 2-1 win at Coventry.

           

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/10264227.Williams_inspired_by_MacDonald_belief/?ref=rss
           
           
           


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 4, 2013, 07:35:02
It’s a slow learning process at the moment because we have only known him for a couple of days, and it was a lot different at half-time,” he said.

“If we were going in 1-0 down in that situation previously it would have been a very different half-time team-talk, and he was very positive indeed and he has given us a lot of belief in ourselves again and has got us passing the ball"

You can imagine PDC in this scenario ranting and raving etc. He also probably would have taken Nathan Thompson off after 5 minutes and banished him to training with the youths for having the temerity to make a mistake. 


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, March 4, 2013, 08:01:02
Just wait until the Pdc fan club reads this ...

Good to see us passing the ball again, seems to have completely gone from our game in recent weeks.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, March 4, 2013, 08:54:16
Nathan would have probably been hooked off after 3 minutes :hmmm:


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: RWB Robin on Monday, March 4, 2013, 12:32:27
It doesn't need a degree in psychology really does it..... My guess is players are being encouraged to be circumspect in what they say, but I don't think it will be long before we hear a bit more from the dressing room.  As one who enjoyed the moment but also knew a bit about the damage going on, I was very supportive of the installation of discipline and managerial authority over player power, but you get nowhere long-term by making fear your foundation.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: herthab on Monday, March 4, 2013, 17:51:06
It doesn't need a degree in psychology really does it..... My guess is players are being encouraged to be circumspect in what they say, but I don't think it will be long before we hear a bit more from the dressing room.  As one who enjoyed the moment but also knew a bit about the damage going on, I was very supportive of the installation of discipline and managerial authority over player power, but you get nowhere long-term by making fear your foundation.
Sir Alex Ferguson?


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 4, 2013, 18:03:46
I don't think Ferguson's approach is anywhere near the same as PDC's.

PDC's worked, provided the turnover of players was maintained (I'm not saying it had to cost a fortune, you just will struggle to get buy in for long enough - see Caddis, maybe McCormack).  If we were going to allow that to continue I think he'd have continued to bring success.  Oh, and I have very little sympathy for the players being told to work hard, train so much etc.  It's not the only way, but it was delivering results.

Equally, a softer approach can work, provided the players are individually inspired enough to want to give their all to that person.  So, no reason that someone else can't maintain or even kick on from what PDC left behind (with tyres screaching it seems).



Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: herthab on Monday, March 4, 2013, 18:25:12
I was referring to 'the installation of discipline and managerial authority over player power', part of the post. I think that pretty much captures Ferguson's approach for much of his managerial career. 


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, March 4, 2013, 18:33:28
I was referring to 'the installation of discipline and managerial authority over player power', part of the post. I think that pretty much captures Ferguson's approach for much of his managerial career. 
Disposing of players when falling out and buying shit foreigners are two other traits PDC and Ferguson share.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: GoSWINDON on Monday, March 4, 2013, 18:41:59
Disposing of players when falling out and buying shit foreigners are two other traits PDC and Ferguson share.

Oh come on now , if you want to slag off a raving lunatic who no-one can understand and who's only been successful because of the money he's spent  that's  one thing but to slag Pdc off aswell , tut tut


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: RWB Robin on Tuesday, March 5, 2013, 00:18:12
I am no Man U fan, or even much of a Fergie fan, but to compare PDC to him is a bit premature.  I'm sure fear has a part to play in the way he exerts his authority, but after his experience in the game and his success I guess there isn't a person in football who is not at least in awe of him.  Whatever the positives in PDCs tenure here, he has a long way to go before he can be spoken of in the same breath as AF.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, March 5, 2013, 12:15:37
It will be interesting to see if the players are still keen to follow the PDC ethos of fitness and training where he had them in everyday sometimes doing double sessions, will they be keen to want to continue this under McDonald knowing that part of that with the fitness is what enables them to keep going at the end of games when other teams are starting to tire


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: tans on Tuesday, March 5, 2013, 12:34:56
Day of tomorrow!


Title: Re: Re: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, March 5, 2013, 12:35:49
Day of tomorrow!
Thick cunt..


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, March 5, 2013, 12:49:20
One big difference between Fergie and PDC is respect.

Fergie has earned the respect of his players and he respects them in turn. PDC thinks respect is a one way street and simply means treating him like a god.

Sure Fergie has bust ups with players but I don't remember many that were in public and resulted in the player never playing again. PDC did this more in 18 months that Fergie has in the last 18 years.

PDC will never even be a tenth of the manager Fergie is.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, March 5, 2013, 12:54:57
One big difference between Fergie and PDC is respect.

Fergie has earned the respect of his players and he respects them in turn. PDC thinks respect is a one way street and simply means treating him like a god.

Sure Fergie has bust ups with players but I don't remember many that were in public and resulted in the player never playing again. PDC did this more in 18 months that Fergie has in the last 18 years.

PDC will never even be a tenth of the manager Fergie is.

You can take his cock out of your arse now. No one said he was as good a manager as ferguson. There are parallels regarding a belief in discipline though.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: dagrumpymunki on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 09:59:41
With all the "Paolo had iron discipline and the players as fit as they've ever been" rhetoric, you'd think that the side would have better record in the closing stages of games.

Looking and thinking back, my guess is this season we've probably conceded as many goals in the closing stages as we've scored, and it's telling that Saturday was the first game we've managed to win from a losing position.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: DV on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 10:02:46
I expect we never needed to score that many in the closing stages because the game was already won...


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: dagrumpymunki on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 10:11:14
I expect we never needed to score that many in the closing stages because the game was already won...

Oddly I think a sizeable chunk of our 80th to 90th minute goals are in those games where we were properly tonking sides, like the Pompey and Carlisle games.

What we haven't been doing until now is making that alleged superior fitness pay in the closing stages of tight games like Orient and Crawley away, and Bournemouth and Preston at home.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 10:45:56
Alright Lumps we get it, you don't like PDC much. Will you be happy and move along once we all admit that he did NOTHING right for this football club?


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 10:49:40
Alright Lumps we get it, you don't like PDC much. Will you be happy and move along once we all admit that he did NOTHING right for this football club?
Maybe you (and others) can move on and stop bringing this up every fucking time the bloke makes a post?

No, he didn't like PDC. No, he wasn't the only one. Yes, he is entitled to his opinion. Yes, so are you.

Now can we move along and admit that people feel differently about PDC and that nobody on this forum is trying to change the mass consensus to a negative or positive one? He is history.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 10:56:57
Now can we move along and admit that people feel differently about PDC and that nobody on this forum is trying to change the mass consensus to a negative or positive one? He is history.

Exactly what i was trying to get at, I obviously didn't convey myself well though.

Just thought a lot of threads seemed to be going down the route of slating PDC. Just my interpretation though.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 10:57:03
Maybe you (and others) can move on and stop bringing this up every fucking time the bloke makes a post?

No, he didn't like PDC. No, he wasn't the only one. Yes, he is entitled to his opinion. Yes, so are you.

Now can we move along and admit that people feel differently about PDC and that nobody on this forum is trying to change the mass consensus to a negative or positive one? He is history.

You got mafia connections SY?

Oh, and Lumps your argument about PdC and late goals etc...needs a bit more analysis for it to stand up.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: wiggy on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 10:59:31
The Washbag's statistics article suggested we have been doing well as a team towards the end of both halves (or should that be half's). I assume that there will be variations in squad fitness amongst the teams we play, so it isn't always a given that we will roll teams over as games progress.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 11:03:11
Exactly what i was trying to get at, I obviously didn't convey myself well though.

Just thought a lot of threads seemed to be going down the route of slating PDC. Just my interpretation though.
Every discussion on here about PDC recently has been the same. Indifference interpreted as lack of acknowledgment for his achievement, criticism construed as a slant against his character, praise dismissed as rose tinted spectacles.

it's been done to death, it's dull, let's just move on (sorry paul)


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 11:09:36
Hopefully people can get a bit real and the mass consensus will change to a negative one.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 11:12:53
Every discussion on here about PDC recently has been the same. Indifference interpreted as lack of acknowledgment for his achievement, criticism construed as a slant against his character, praise dismissed as rose tinted spectacles.

it's been done to death, it's dull, let's just move on (sorry paul)

Ok. I still agree with you.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 11:31:48
You got mafia connections SY?

Oh, and Lumps your argument about PdC and late goals etc...needs a bit more analysis for it to stand up.

We've scored 11 and conceeded 2 in the last 15 mins of games this season.  You can chalk 2 of those scored off for the last game.

Our worst part of the game is the first 15 mins.

Us and Sheff Utd are the only two teams to score more than we concede when you look at all 6 x 15 min intervals in a game.

We also have the 4th best points haul when losing at half time.


Title: Re: Adver News: Williams inspired by MacDonald belief
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 12:04:04
Sure Fergie has bust ups with players but I don't remember many that were in public and resulted in the player never playing again. PDC did this more in 18 months that Fergie has in the last 18 years.


Japp Stamm and Beckham were incredibly public