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Title: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: News Monkey on Monday, November 26, 2012, 07:00:05
Di Canio slams loan duo
           
           



  PAOLO Di Canio was upset by the performances of loan duo Danny Hollands and Chris Martin at Meadow Lane.

           

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/10069944.Di_Canio_slams_loan_duo/?ref=rss
           
           
           


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Dirty Harry on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:03:54
Well all i can say is he signed these players just like all the other players that he complains about.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: kerry red on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:22:00
I would imagine the majority of players would fail the PdC 'attitude' test at first.

It must be doubly difficult for loan players who can easily just say 'Bollocks to this I'm on me way back to .....'

Apart from Wes, I'm struggling to think of any loan player that has made any sort of significant impact - and there must be a shit load of them.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:25:16
Apart from Wes, I'm struggling to think of any loan player that has made any sort of significant impact - and there must be a shit load of them.

Danny Ward was my favourite loan player of recent years, though I suppose you were talking about PDC loans.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:25:21
Jay Mcevelly (however it's spelt), Darren Ward, Lee Holmes. All are/were regulars when on loan


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: london_red on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:26:49
Apart from Wes, I'm struggling to think of any loan player that has made any sort of significant impact - and there must be a shit load of them.

Tehoué


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:27:57
Bostock


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: kerry red on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:28:51
Yeah, what happened to him

Has he joined the Society of Black Lawyers or become the Chelsea spokesperson on race matters


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: kerry red on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:30:11
I like Bostock - but has he really made an impact? PdC doesn't seem to trust him.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:33:39
Add Jervis to the list of loanee regulars as well.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: nochee on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:37:02
And the Irish dwarf from ipswich


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Arriba on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:37:24
Either this is to try to kick them up the arse a bit or he aint done his homework on them. Hope it's not the latter


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: kerry red on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:47:28
I dont think many would describe Jervis or Murray as a success as loan players


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:55:59
Jervis got 4 goals in 10 appearances. Sounds pretty successful to me.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: tans on Monday, November 26, 2012, 12:57:19
Jervis got 4 goals in 10 appearances. Sounds pretty successful to me.


Agreed


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Arriba on Monday, November 26, 2012, 13:40:09
The comments from so called fans after that article make me want to inflict pain on some of them. Fucking morons


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Bathtime on Monday, November 26, 2012, 15:51:03
Better get some more in then...


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, November 26, 2012, 18:51:37
Does he do any fucking research in signing these players? The amount we have spunked on shit loanees is getting beyond a laugh.

Someone may be able to confirm this but have Hollands and Martin wages/fees been paid out of the extra £500k that was moved forward from Jan to bring us out of M'Bargo?

How many players has PDC brought in, in his 18 months here?  Both perms and loans?  I am thinking it must be 60+?


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 26, 2012, 18:58:59
Does he do any fucking research in signing these players?

The obvious answer is ...no.  Transfer matters are dealt with by the agent Phil Spencer, now it's debatable, whether PdC says I'd like Hollands and Martin, make it so, Phil.  Or, as seems more likely, PdC says I'd like a striker and midfielder with some decent Div 3 experience....who's out there Phil?


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, November 26, 2012, 19:02:10
The comments from so called fans after that article make me want to inflict pain on some of them. Fucking morons
Going by the post 2 above this it seems that one of thisis' finest has crept over here.

We really do have some muppets in our support.



Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, November 26, 2012, 19:10:10
The obvious answer is ...no.  Transfer matters are dealt with by the agent Phil Spencer, now it's debatable, whether PdC says I'd like Hollands and Martin, make it so, Phil.  Or, as seems more likely, PdC says I'd like a striker and midfielder with some decent Div 3 experience....who's out there Phil?

What happened to our scouting system?  Some fella called Ken Ryder or summat?

I've brought up Phil Spencer before and no else seems to give much of a monkeys but given the amount of money in agents fee the club has paid of which a fair amount he will have pocketed hasnt he/PDC got some serious questions to answer?  Could you have imagined the uproar if SSW has brought in something similar in the olden days?


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: cheltred69 on Monday, November 26, 2012, 19:15:48
As there is barely a single player who hasn't come in for some of Paolo's wrath at some time I wouldn't read too much into this.  No reason that loan players would be immune - hopefully it's just that he feels they need a bit of kick up the backside to fit his high standards.

I can't understand the general moans about loan players.  Any club at our level will have a mixed experience - we always have and will continue to do - for every Michael Carrick there is a Jamie Slabber.

Currently I like both Ward and Bostock and still have hopes that Martin and Hollands can do a good job for us over the next month.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 26, 2012, 19:18:19
What happened to our scouting system?  Some fella called Ken Ryder or summat?

I've brought up Phil Spencer before and no else seems to give much of a monkeys but given the amount of money in agents fee the club has paid of which a fair amount he will have pocketed hasnt he/PDC got some serious questions to answer?  Could you have imagined the uproar if SSW has brought in something similar in the olden days?

Ryder no longer works for the club...there was a blog posted about him maybe a week ago.

These things only become a problem for fans when you start losing...which is probably why you're raising the issue now.

Here you are...http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=49783.0


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 26, 2012, 19:19:29
We're doomed


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 26, 2012, 19:21:52
We're doomed

Not until the 21st December.....hopefully we can get the Tranmere fixture in first mind.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, November 26, 2012, 19:24:36
These things only become a problem for fans when you start losing...which is probably why you're raising the issue now.

I raised this on numerous occasions


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 26, 2012, 19:29:02
I raised this on numerous occasions

Fair enough...PdC openly said when Wray got ousted, that he was worried because he needed a team around him who he could trust and work with...Wray was such an individual, as is Spencer. Doncaster operate a similar policy and they're doing OK.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, November 26, 2012, 19:35:43
Fair enough...PdC openly said when Wray got ousted, that he was worried because he needed a team around him who he could trust and work with...Wray was such an individual, as is Spencer. Doncaster operate a similar policy and they're doing OK.

I just think there should be a certain independance in the process.  After all when PDC goes does Spencer follow?  Hence we have no scouting system to fall back on and the new incumbant has to start again from scratch.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 26, 2012, 19:53:56
I just think there should be a certain independance in the process.  After all when PDC goes does Spencer follow?  Hence we have no scouting system to fall back on and the new incumbant has to start again from scratch.

I see lower league football, becoming more like the theatre in the future....there, actors are on the books of agencies, if a producer/director wants an actor he goes to the agency, sees who's on the books and trials suitable candidates, before taking them for duration of the play etc.

We'll probably end up with Max Bialystock as manager


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: leefer on Monday, November 26, 2012, 20:19:58
As there is barely a single player who hasn't come in for some of Paolo's wrath at some time I wouldn't read too much into this.  No reason that loan players would be immune - hopefully it's just that he feels they need a bit of kick up the backside to fit his high standards.

I can't understand the general moans about loan players.  Any club at our level will have a mixed experience - we always have and will continue to do - for every Michael Carrick there is a Jamie Slabber.

Currently I like both Ward and Bostock and still have hopes that Martin and Hollands can do a good job for us over the next month.

I got shot down for this in a previous thread but what is the point of bringing in someone like Chris Martin who is clearly unfit...fuck me some of the squad train all summer and are still not deemed fit enough....its a kick in the teeth for other players who are fit to be dropped for someone who clearly is very unfit like Martin.
Sure Martin may have some class....but will we reap the benefit of this,only time will tell i suppose.
Of course to PDC loan players are just part of a final solution....but other managers will see his comments(like Sheffield Wednesday and Giles Coke) and will not be keen to do buisness i reckon.
What Di Canio said about the players was true......but i see it as his job to get his players fired up for action...loan players rarely will have fire in there bellies....thats one of the reasons why they are being made available for loan deals in the first place.
Think Ward has done very well but i know a lot of my friends would beg to differ.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Coca Fola on Monday, November 26, 2012, 21:11:50
Another sensationalist headline from the twat Morshead.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, November 26, 2012, 21:20:30
Morshead doesn't write the headlines you spanner


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, November 26, 2012, 21:29:26
Morshead doesn't write the headlines you spanner
woooosh


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: herthab on Monday, November 26, 2012, 21:29:46
I remember a loanee striker who failed to impress in his first few appearances and was given a few pelters on here and elsewhere. Think his name was Simon Cox?



Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Coca Fola on Monday, November 26, 2012, 21:30:41
Morshead doesn't write the headlines you spanner
Who does? Whoever he is, he's a twat.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, November 26, 2012, 21:59:40
Paolo's comments are hardly OTT, fairer and much more tame than I'd expected.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Coca Fola on Monday, November 26, 2012, 22:05:11
Spot on Mr Pieman.


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, November 26, 2012, 22:25:04
Can't be bothered to read it again, but, on Saturday,  I thought he was making the point that the next 2 weeks would give him the opportunity to make sure that the loanees knew what he expected. They were both a little more gifted than some of the players that PDC is trying to develop (Martin being more clinical and Hollands more creative) and he hoped that combining that class with the fitness regime and strategy that PDC employs would help both the team and the individual loanees secure a successful future.

I think that when PDC feels the loan players are not up to it or won't buy in, he isn't hard on them. They just disappear from sight or return to their club. (e.g. Tehoue disappeared & Coke went away)


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: mystical_goat on Tuesday, November 27, 2012, 16:28:05
Whatever became of Lee Holmes?


Title: Re: Adver News: Di Canio slams loan duo
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 27, 2012, 16:32:27
Whatever became of Lee Holmes?

He's at Preston and probably injured.