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So, the game is finally going to happen. FA Cup round 2. I can't imagine there'll be many supporting the home team.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20316008

There is Twitter talk of fans from other clubs going along and raising their own clubs scarves as the players walk out, some sort of show of support to AFC.

Not overly bothered who wins it as the outcome remains the same, The Franchise always have been, and always will be, a club robbing stain on the conscience of football.

I might go in the afc end....as we are well and truly out of it!

I keep reading up here that AFC fans will boycott and donate the entrance  fee to the AFC. Mistake. They want to turn up en masse and ram all their frustrations and sense (of real) injustice down the fuckers throats, and them give them a good tupping on the pitch. Nothing would feel better than that.

Interesting about the fans from other clubs. I'd certainly be tempted if I was in the area. Have to agree on not caring who wins - the outcome of the match is irrelevant, it's just an opportunity to remind the world of all that is wrong with that club.

I hope AFC give those Franchise Winkleman Cunts a good stuffing!

nice analogy from another forum:

I don't agree with animosity towards individuals.

But then if you came around to my house and showed off your new BMW, but I knew it was stolen, I would not be impressed.

If you then slagged off my focus because you had a BMW, it would stick in my throat a little.

And if the person you stole the BMW off spent 7 years hitch hiking back to where they were when you stole the car off them, and then you challenged them to a race, I would want them to win.

More than that, I might even hope you have a crash.

Not that you get injured, but that the vehicle you stole get utterly destroyed.

It's be good to go to this just to watch a real club like Franchise put those upstart johnny-come-latelys AFC in their place.

:jawdrop: Tans has stolen london_red's login credentials!

Haha can't let him carry the trolling workload on his own

Haha

Good, hopefully the standard improves.

Im planning on going with a few other town fans.
Up the real dons (for one game only)
Trying to get away end tickets

This simply has to be on TV, it's a no brainer.

On a side point, I'm uneasy about what AFCW did to Kingstonian.

I still of the belief that they wanted a ground in their home borough of Merton, but they seem to have forgotten that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19164090

Fair enough -- that's proper.

I miss Ceefax.

12,000 rising to 22,000

Oh dear

i'm leaving again for france on monday otherwise i probably would have gone what with it being just down the road. 

i hope the afc fans that do go take a ruddy great banner

They sell out pretty much every week so 12000 is probably right. I'd imagine they'd get about 6000 a week average and about 8/9 for the big games.

Not before the watershed if they have any sense. Or with the effects mic turned a long way down.

It should definatley be, if it was a normal match it would be very easy for Franchise I expect, but it isn't a normal game.

They didn’t sell out once last year, the best attendance was approx 300 short of capacity.  I doubt this is down to away fans either as we filled it easily and I expect did a few others did the same.

They have average home support of 3.5K

The away capacity was reduced from 1000 to 700 after the first game against Bristol Rovers, for safety reasons. Hence the 300.

Although I guess it must be different this season with the new stand behind the goal.

Darren Gough on Talksport holds a corporate box at Stadium MK and on the DriveTime show just now they had Bobby Gould on as a guest. As supportive as the legendary ex Wimbledon boss is of AFC's phoenix from the flames success it didn't stop him from fawning over Goughie for a spot in his hospitality box for the cup showdown. That's bound to grate on AFC's support.

I used to really like Darren Gough but pretty much everything he's done since retirement has moved me away from that position.

Goughie is a Yorkshireman...that might explain it.

Officially on tv, a Sunday 12:30 kick off :D

I'm not suprised that from Gould.

Anyway, I hope those club stealing bastards are shown up by AFC on national TV.

Nor am I. Utter twat. Listening to his "expert" commentary on the odd occasion when I've had the misfortune to listen to him on the radio is like having all your teeth removed, without anaesthetic, and then having to suck shit through a straw.

I remember him applying for the Swindon job on at least one occasion. I'd rather have Paul Hart.....

There used to be a standing joke at work that Gould would have his fax machine programmed with all 92 league clubs phone number so he could fax his CV off at a moments notice when a managers job became available.

How the days must have flown by...

gough's ex and kids are from mk.  no excuse mind

Just seen this quote from winkelman regarding the game.

"We'll never be friends but we're related and I hope we can have a good family get-together."

Lick my Arse Orifice

cunt. he makes me so angry

Right.  Related in pretty much the same way that a joy rider is 'related' to his hit & run victim.

Fuck off, Winkleman.  And buy some shampoo while you're at it.

He abducted the club like that creepy uncle you only see at Christmas

The bloke's sheer audacity has no boundaries. A cunt of the highest order.

I think AFC should refuse to play the game on the basis that it would legitimise the illegitemate.

In a statement today the AFC Wimbledon supporters Group decided against asking fans to boycott the FA cup match, they said " individual supporters must make an informed decision " And " the club has already stated it will not accept any hospitality from Franchise " The statement also rightly says that " This fixture is a result of AFC Wimbledons phenomenal success over the last ten years and must be incredibly embarrassing for those in Milton Keynes to be involved in "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDMF3rMeQ6k&feature=youtu.be

C'mon the real Dons.  Put the Filthy Franchise to the sword!

Hate Winkelman with a passion. Think i actually heard MK sing a song  :eek:

MK going to win unfortunately

Franchise are the real dons

Stick to Twitter for trolling ;)

Wimbledon fans are a disgrace. They let their club die without a fight, they were shit supporters in 94 and they're shit today.

The fact that they've lined the pockets of franchise by attending today says it all.

In the dying days of Wimbledon FC only about 500 home fans were turning up on a weekly basis, there are 3,200 AFC fans there today.

Glory hunting cunts

Completely unlike our 32000 Wembley fans

Watching this and just when it was bad enough I realise that Ian Wright is on the coaching staff - then they play music after a goal - all they need is a fan with a drum and it would bea hatred of modern football full house.

8)

They brought a drum with them to the CG earlier on in the season.

Plastic cunts.

GOAL! Well in AFC.

Great goal.

Cunts

Scum cunts

A sad day for football. The way they celebrated that goal was sickening.

Jamny cunts

Plastic cunts

Sickener.

Am I the only who doesn't care? Wimbledon need to relocate so they did to Milton Keynes. So what. A new club is started. It's all getting a bit tedious with all this plastic shit.

No they didn't need to. AFC proved that.

Wankleman wanted a FL club at MK and didn't want to go through the leagues with Milton Keynes City. He wanted an instant FL club. If he didn't get Wimbledon, there were reports that they were going after Luton to get what they wanted.

Weren't they kicked out of the ground share at palace though?

No. They only moved out of SP when the temporary ground at the hockey stadium was available.

Would you say the same if Swindon Town had been moved to another town?

The creation of Franchise FC was a property deal first and foremost.  The football was secondary.  It was wrong then and it's still wrong now.  Look the other way and pretend it doesn't matter if you want.  But luckily, there are enough folk out there who won't do that...which is the main reason that there hasn't subsequently been a Franchise Mk II since.  It could have been us.

It's hard to say. All depends on the circumstances I suppose. It just gets tedious with the 'plastic' scenario. It's done now. Everyone needs to move on. I don't get the obsession.

...is why you think that...

Why?

I don't care.

For as long as they exist they are taking another club's rightful place in the league.

Winkleman could have adopted Milton Keynes FC and invested to bring them up through the leagues, there would have been no objection to that. Instead, he wanted to buy/franchise a place in the football league and was preying on clubs in trouble to buy a shortcut to league football.

They are an abomination and always will be.

What circumstances would be acceptable then? There are none and that's why so many people give a fuck.

Seems to me that most people think it was wrong but don't really give that much of a shit anymore.

A small minority are the vocal ones who are still severally pissed off and won't ever let it drop, will never go to Franchise's ground, etc

That isn't a criticism by the way

Franchise are a disgrace.I don't know how anyone could support them

Every football fan who thinks it doesn't matter should just imagine some prick buying their club & moving them 90 miles away.

I guess if you don't actually go and watch your team play, it probably doesn't matter as much. After all, Man Utd fans living in Asia probably don't care if Man U play home games in Manchester or Sheffield.

Remember how much opposition there was when it was suggested that Town could build a new ground just outside Chippenham near the M4, imagine if it had been another 60 miles down the M4 or worse still Milton Keynes.

Exactly, the chippenham suggestion was a mere glimpse of what it must Feel like.

It's not just Wimbledon fans that were shafted by Franchise existence either, but every club trying to gain league status the proper way were kicked in the teeth when the fa and fl said it was ok just to buy a league spot not earn it

To be fair to the FL they actually said 'No', but Koppel (the chairman of the old Wimbledon at the time) went to the FA, who convened a 3 man 'indepenent' panel, who voted 2-1 in favour of the move.

What sticks in the throats of Wimbledon fans was the statement saying that a fans club 'wouldn't be in the interests of football'.

AFC stuck 2 fingers up to that and did it anyway.

The sad truth is, the longer they are in existence the more and more people will have a view like this. Sooner or later there will be a whole new generation of fans who won't even know the history of pre-franchise Wimbledon.

The more and more this happens, the more and more MK become a 'legitimate' team. If there wasn't an AFC Wimbledon, or one several tiers below the football league I think a lot less people would 'let it go'. The fact that 'oh it's ok, they have a football team now' doesn't make what happened right.


I remember the Trust meeting at the Moonrakers, I don't think the club's representatives realised how strongly opposed many fans would be. We should stick the new stadium up at Blunsdon, I hear there are a variety of excellent pubs all the way from Taw Hill up to the top of Thamesdown Drive. The prime location will be worth it for a shiny new, half-empty stadium and perhaps one more season in the top flight.

I think a lot of people re-write history and have a nostalgic view of the old Wimbledon being a small friendly, family run club that everyone loved, backed by massive support that was ripped from the heart of the community. The reality is that Wimbledon were a shitty little poorly supported club that most other people hated and that a lot of people, especially the local council, didn't give a fuck about and didn't care less when it was moved. Even when they were in the Premier League their attendances were poor and the only reason they were half decent was the away fans outnumbering home fans most weeks.

The whole thing is fucking boring and everyone needs to move on. MK have handed back the clubs history, Wimbledon need to say what else they want so it can finally be put to rest - maybe MK removing the Dons from their name. Besides it hasn't worked out that badly for Wimbledon, they've got a small community run club that is surviving financially playing in the Football League. I'd say they've got a far better club than the one that was taken to MK.

You can argue that MK stole their place in the Football League but I don't think what they've done is any worse than all the clubs that have their place as a result of over spending and then going through administration and a CVA. Portsmouth spent other peoples money to stay in the Premier League and have decent cup runs, same as stealing it as far as I'm concerned, yet no one views them in the same light as MK.

First paragraph could apply to a lot of teams, particularly Swindon Town (aside from the family club thing I guess).

If Swindon were moved to South Hampshire and re-branded 'Eastleigh Robins' there is no fucking way any of us would be happy about it. I guess it would be ok though, we could all support Supermarine, it'd probably work out fine. Fuck that!

I guess for a lot of people, they won't let it go because shit like this spoils everything about being a football fan.

There is NO argument in favour of MKD in my opinion

Completely and utterly irrelevant. They could have been the best or the worst team on the planet. What happened was wrong. End of. 

That was spin peddled by Sam Hammam, after selling Plough Lane, and pocketing the money himself, and refused to pay for a new stadium. Plough Lane was original council property, which was donated to the club years previously. He then told stories about Merton not being co-operative, etc, and then said they were going to Dublin, when it was all BS.

He found 2 gullible multi-millionaire Norweigans to sell the club to (again pocketing millions), despite the club having very few assets.

I've lost count of the number of things that are allegedly wrong with the game, destroying the game and spoiling it for real football fans; Franchise, high wages, UEFA, Sepp Blatter, the influx of foreign players, the Premier League, Sky TV, all seater stadium, the Champions League, FIFA, the influx of foreign owners, match officials and the lack of TV replays, the offside rule and the list goes on.

What spoils it for me is all the moaning cunts that won't shut up and always find something new to moan about.

MKD only exist due to the ASDA next door as they got a stadium out of it.

Perhaps you shouldn't read internet discussion boards.

What about the moaning cunts moaning about the moaning cunts moaning?

This is the irony of today. MK had the place packed and the cameras there. The franchise model actually thrived on the whole "rivalry" There's was only going to be one winner today and sadly it was always going to be Franchise regardless of the result on the pitch.

Have to say my post earlier was just a 'devil's advocate' one.  I have some sympathy for the proper dons, and a lot of dislike border line hatred of MKD.

I did wonder during the match whether today would be the day that MK grew up into a 'proper' football club.

I have to say I enjoyed the AFC Wimbledon equaliser today, shame they couldn't do over those Franchi$e bastads on the pitch! I did have a chuckle at the contimination: franchi$e masks a few of the AFC fans were wearing in and around the ground today!

Robbed the league position and robbed em at the death with ginger bollocks cheating in the process...again.

So the fact that they were small and punching above their weight somehow validated Winkleman's move?  Shit.  Someone had better tell Barnet, or Accrington.  I'm sure both clubs would attract bigger crowds if moved to, say, Basildon or Basingstoke.

Not relevant at all.

The fact that not many liked them at the time (allegedly) but yet still many many people were thoroughly fucked off (and still are) should tell you all you need to know about this situation Jonny.

Think most fans get it though. I'd rather have a football conversation with a scum fan than a Franchise fan. I think that says it all.

I watched the match on tv and what MKD are was perfectly highlighted by some of the banners. "We are the DONS. Get over it" for example. The attitude of the thief who has got away with his crime and who then gloats in front of his victim afterwards, whilst parading his stolen goods around for good measure to rub it in just that little bit more.

Horrible club, horrible fans.

I don't remember anyone hating Wimbledon?

The one question I would like to ask all their die hard fans over the age of 10 is who did you support before?

Most of them still have their 'other' team. Myself, DRS and Chubbs have first hand experience of this.

I'd have to ask the person with the banner where milton Keynes got the Dons bit from. Is it a part of your beautiful town?

Not sure the MK Roundabouts are quite as marketable.

whoever came up with the concrete cows needs a pat on the back

:clap:

McDons are the only team in the football league I would like to see go out of business.  Even the hatred I have for pox does not mean i want them to fold. I hope someone burns their plastic bowl and everything in it to the ground 10secs after they complete the top tier. 

Football lost yesterday.

Franchise are footballs equivalent of shit Lego.

How about MK Club Stealing Bastards?!

Not relevant and not what I said.

My point was that some people are romanticising the history of Wimbledon and trying to jump on the bandwagon of a ship that sailed a long, long time ago. If all the people that claim to give a shit about it today actually gave a shit about it when it happened then it might not have happened.

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I've not seen a single person do that on this forum or on any other. Not a single one. Not a soul. I think you just made that up. I personally don't remember Wimbledon fondly at all. I remember them as a bunch of long ball merchants that would gladly kick the shit out of the opposition. They had Vinnie Jones as a talisman player for them which speak volumes about the 'crazy gang'.

You are so wide of the point Johnny.

The issue is not the demise of Wimbledon FC as such. The real issue is the existence of Franchise. They should not be there.

How many people haven't you seen?  ;D

Not a sausage  ;)

Spot on Flash. Not sure exactly who is jumping on the bandwaggon Johnny? Plenty of people gave a shit at the time. My view (and that of others on here by the looks of things) hasn't changed over time. I'm sorry if that annoys you but frankly i couldn't give a fuck!

Can I say I agree with every word of Flashheart's post?

Blimey, apparently I can.  :eek:

Why would that annoy me?

The 'outrage disease', as I call it, which affects large swathes of the UK population winds me up though. People are always finding things to be outraged about, with just enough outrage to moan about it non-stop but never quite enough outrage to actually do something about it.

I took that comment to mean you were at least a little annoyed. Sorry if my last sentence sounded a bit DMR, think i got out of bed the wrong side this morning.

I stand by my point though. I'm not outraged either, i'm just not happy about it and never will be!

Do you not find it ironic that you are objecting to the objections on a thread titled: "Franchise vs AFC Wimbledon"?

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/small-football-business-beaten-by-slightly-larger-one-2012120351606

Brilliant.   :D

While technically correct.....

That was not written by a football (or any sports fan), was it?

Plenty of good memories going to Plough Lane against Wimbledon.

From Jimmy Allen getting his foot caught in the net. Then trying to run out to get the ball after it cannoned off the bar. He then fell flat on his face and their forward slotted past poor Jimmy whilst he couldn't move.

Then the Swindon "skins" surging forward after a players ruck in the goal mouth and the wall caved in on the pitch.

Plough Lane was a ploughed field and you always had a battle on your hands to come away with anything.

I got behind AFC Wimbledon Sunday watching on TV and wanted them to at least get a draw to take the scum back to London.
Franchise had no right to take the "Dons" name. They will always be a franchise in my opinion with no history or respect.
Souless ground and fans.

I hate the Scummers because of who they are, I hate Franchise because of what they are. How the fuck can you remotely hold your head up high when you're a Franchise customer. Its a truly shameful episode that deserves not to be forgotten. The AFC fans were outraged enough to do something about it and a good number of supporters of other clubs are outraged enough by it to keep it current and let the authorites know they can't do it again.
Winkleman is a tuly hateful fucker who can con the customer but not the fan. I've said before that I wouldn't piss on the cunt if he was on fire and that goes for all customers of the Franchise.
A horrible scab on the arse of football led by a cunt who's got a face for a fist. 
I'd like to think that in 50 years they are still hated by football fans young and old.

All of the above but especially this