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Just watching their spokesperson on Sky explaining why they got involved in the Clattenburg incident.

Firstly, referring to whatever may have been said as 'Race hate' is way over the top but what I found interesting was him thinking Juan Mata was black.

It seems that all that is needed is someone to cry 'Race' and people disregard any actual facts.

Getting a bit McCarthy-ish this race issue

Is there a Society of White Lawyers?

Minor figure in attempting to gain fame by leeching on to wider issue shock.

All this needs is Max cunting Clifford to turn up.

Juan Mata black? I'm more black than him because I got curly pubes

That's what he thought

'When comments were made to 2 black Chelsea players - John Obi Mikel and Juan Mata'

What happened? Unaware of this. Getting hacked off by every top of the news story on Talksport being hijacked by the female newscaster telling us of the latest Twitter remark regarding race. As if that's the be all and end all of the world's problems.

It was the Society of Black lawyers that contacted the Met Police and urged them to take action against Mark Clattenburg.

The fact that none of their members were at the game it seems it was enough to read the media reports on what 'allegedly' happened to get them to intervene.

But describing it as a race hate crime . . . well, FFS

Yeh Kerry, fucking ridiculous. Can't recall the last time I heard a news round up that didn't include some snippett of Twitter gossip, he said this that and the other, could cause offense nonsense. I am not outraged by remarks, it's a free speech country, i'm disgusted by acts of violence, so please Talksport, lay off the Twitter obsession, however noxious people's musings can sometimes be.

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I wonder if theres a society of Indian lawyers?

Apparently so.
There's the Society of Indian Lawyers based in Kuwait, who are wonderfully abbreviated to as INLAWS.

Society of Indian lawyers with Ugandan heritage, now that is a certainty

I'll get my Dad to sign up to that  :D

Yep, here's their website

http://www.maiba.org/ (http://www.maiba.org/)

I really don't see the point of any organisation which limits its memberships and activities to a specific race or skin colour. If anything it does more harm to getting rid of racism as it causes more segregation rather than integration. Still find it amazing that they allow them, can't see them allowing a Society of White Lawyers.

The other issue is that the people running these organisations always come across as extremists to me, the head of the Society of Black Lawyers being a prime example. Think he was the one pushing for a black players association last week. All they do is shit stir which doesn't help anyone or anything in the long run.

Whilst they are viewed as black lawyers rather than lawyers we've got a problem that needs solving.

I'm considering starting up an organisation aimed at British Indian Swindon Town Fans.

I am member 0000001.
Who wants to be member 0000002?

You have to remember that race relations is an industry. People involved have a vested interest in keeping the subject high in public awareness.

Almost as abhorrent as racism itself, though, is the idea of 'positive discrimination' - the idea that any coaching/managerial vacancy should have a certain percentage of black applicants is not the way forward.

careful, you'll upset the huge membership of Norwegian Swindon Town Fans

Quite right. I never even thought of people by their skin colour until I got older and read papers and things. I know this sounds strange, but even recently I didn't even notice the skin colour of some of my friends until someone or something raised the non-issue.

Morgan Freeman couldn't have put it better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

I am setting up a half Serbian, quarter Welsh, quarter Scottish, Berlin born jobless scrounger society.

David James said the same thing in an interview recently;

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/david-james-antiracism-groups-just-try-to-justify-existence-8207873.html

You could call it 'organisation' instead of 'fans'     aaahhh!

Ah well.  You wont qualify for my set up!

My best mate is called Javinder Singh so i've not given up all hope

If you didn't notice someones skin colour you must be colour blind. But I know what you mean, had the same thing happen to me - "you never told me they were black", "I don't say if they're white so why would I?".

Thing is that we give people labels based on their appearance or other characteristics all the time; hair colour, fat/thin, bald/hairy, male/female, skin colour, height and so on. Doesn't seem right that you can call someone a fat c*nt or ginger tw*t and get at worst a slap on the wrists but say black c*nt or Spanish tw*t and you've broken the law (and will be punished more for the word black than Spanish).

Seems fucked up to me.

Totally agree about Morgan Freeman, if only everyone thought the same the world would be a far better place.

Do you have to be British Indian to join?

I t would help, but as take up so far hasnt been high I am no place to be picky!

if you just restrict it to half Serbian my wife can join - so that would double your membership!

Which reminds me of the appalling woman Daily Mail pundit I heard on the radio at the weekend saying the Jimmy Saville thing was being stoked up by the "child abuse industry". Yes, people are employed to prevent abuses in both areas, and therefore have a financial interest in ensuring the issue is kept high up the agenda but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem. This guy sounds like a knob, and, like the John Terry case before it, it's ludicrous to involve the police in this, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, eh?

Agree, though worth worth noting also that some in the BBC have tried to argue that the whole case regarding Savile has been merely the result of "BBC bashing".

John Terry case was a mess, should never have involved the Police and nor should this one...which appears to be less than conclusive...especially given the very conflicting evidence

Morgan Freeman couldn't have put it better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ
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Absolute Class !!

What a fucking tool that spokesman for the Society of Black Lawyers is

On Sky (more profile raising) saying he cant understand why the Met are dropping the investigation because Chelsea has not handed them any of the evidence of the so-called racial comments by Clattenburg.

He accuses football of sweeping racism under the carpet.

Does it not occur to the fuckwit the reason is: THERE IS NO EVIDENCE

They may well be reporting Sky after Alex Greaves, reporting from some racing stables this morning, was heard to utter the phrase 'chink in his armour'

Or they may well pass it on to the Society of Yellow Lawyers

Really?

The important bit of the organisation title is "lawyers".

Im of the opinion that anything preceding is just marketing.

 They have their USP, the race card. But it's a money making exercise, just like ambulance cheater lawyers, injury claim lawyers, patent troll lawyers, and every other lawyer.

This lot market by seemingly making stupid remarks to the press. If they hadn't, would you or I have heard of them?

How the can they call themselves lawyers when they come out with shit like -

he cant understand why the Met are dropping the investigation because Chelsea has not handed them any of the evidence of the so-called racial comments by Clattenburg

There's an episode of South Park where the town is split down the middle by the fact their flag depicts two white guys hanging a black one. Half of the town (including half of the boys) don't see a problem with it, and the other half (led by chef), think it's disgusting and racist. He's particularly appalled by the boys (his friends) supporting the flag staying the same.

Turns out the boys are supporting the flag because they don't see two white guys hanging a black guy, they just see two PEOPLE hanging another PERSON. They don't see it as racist at all.

So the town changes its flag to a white guy, a yellow guy and a black guy being hung by various ethnicities, all holding hands and dancing.

Kind of silly, but I think once people stop labelling themselves and others as 'black' or whatever (which is, as has been said, the USP for these Lawyers), and see themselves and others as just 'People' instead, we might actually get some bloody progress.

Physical description has no basis for what you are like as a person. Only some bigoted 19th-century throwback would believe that. The 'Society for Black Lawyers' is apparently supposed to be all about fair treatment and equality, yet hippocritically don't follow those tenents themselves.

This Herbert bloke (chairman of said group) is the same one who a couple of weeks ago said Spurs fans should be thrown out, banned and reported to the Old Bill for chanting 'Yid Army' at home games !

He is obviously a bloody idiot who is best ignored - he just loves the lime light

You can learn a lot from South Park, some very clever episodes.

Exactly.

He's now said the FA are institutional racist. I wish the press would ignore him.

By the way, I love the Morgan Freeman interview above. Fully agree with him.

This is the problem - they don't. There are plenty of self publicising extremists in the world but if you don't give them the air time it doesn't matter what they say or think as no one has to listen to it.

His argument that football is sweeping racism under the carpet and that it needs to go through the Police and courts is nonsensical. The punishments handed out so far by the FA are far harsher than those imposed by the courts. You might think Terry receiving a 4 game ban and £220,000 fine was lenient but if the court had found him guilty the worst punishment would have been a £2,500 fine.

If you called somebody a Black (something) it's racist.

Does that mean referring to someone as a Black lawyer is racist.

Therefore Mr Herbert, I suggest that it is your organisation that is institutionally racist & you should therefore "fuck right off"

Christ on a bike, of course it isn't you moron

I think posh is just pointing out the hypocrisy.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :clap:

Lets hope they are not based in Harrow either.

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It isn't because the person is a lawyer, so black lawyer is the correct description.

What if they're a c**t?

I can hand on heart say that in my 20 years of attending football I have probably heard racial epithets being spouted a handful of times and that was in the 90s, nothing whatsoever since. However I have heard plenty of ethnicist (is that a term) slurs that always are recieved with a widespread chortle, such terms as frog, craut, sheepshapper, gypo, sweaty, mick, tatty muncher, dago, grease monkey, rag head etc etc.

Why the emphasise on cross racial offensive terms? If you offend someone of the same race but who has a slightly  different hue of skin, is that alright? Is this race relations industry just crass financial opportunism? We're being inundated through the media about Twitterings but on an everyday, see what I see, hear what I hear basis, I don't observe a problem warranting all this hand ringing, soul searching, "we must combat this problem at every turn" situation that has surfaced enormously lately.

Really? Suspect you're either deaf or ignoring it. Or maybe you sit in posher bits than me. I still hear racial epithets at least once a season, more often aimed at Asians (or more recently specifically Muslims, but generally just being used as a placeholder for all Asians because the thick racist bastards don't differentiate anyway) than blacks, but still very much there.

As I said earlier in this thread, Peter Herbert is a publicity-seeking twat no doubt about it, but that's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Racism is still a problem in British football because it's still a problem in British society. Just because you might not see/hear it personally, well maybe you mix in largely polite white circles where it's not polite to be racist and you're not likely to be on the receiving end of it. Doesn't mean it's gone away.

I've heard them at least 10 times just watching us.

Just as an aside to that Paul, is racism only cutting one way. My brother's ex girlfriend, a blonde white woman, who originates from Leicester, said that she was frequently racially abused by Asian men in the city, usually a scenario of cars full of youths pulling alongside as she was walking along, and she'd be subject to an onslaught of abuse, "white whore", "Leicester is ours" etc. Then there's the uncomfortable truth that many fatal racist attacks, 3 in Peterborough alone in recent years, have involved white victims. The mainstream media seem to put up a unified wall of silence.

Seems that many people want to show their credentials by denouncing racism in the loudest terms but when confronted with it being an issue which white people are increasingly also the victim of (I believe in proportional terms more racist murders have been committed against whites) they are conspicuous by their absense of denunciation.

No of course it doesn't cut one way, and that kind of abuse is abhorrent whichever way it goes. Obviously.

As for the violent attacks, those kinds of cases get shit loads of coverage (e.g. the Asian girl gang "happy slappers" who were front page of the Daily Heil three days running). The "wall of silence" myth is just that - a myth.

The fact there are white victims of racism is usually trotted out to somehow mitigate "traditional" racism (Well, they're just as bad etc etc). Not saying you're doing that. But racists are cunts whatever their skin colour or that of their victims. Was that your point?

And you believe this on what basis precisely? Because it's bollocks, whatever the Mail might try to imply

I don't agree that instances like those receive anywhere like the same amount of coverage, take for example the very one you raise: the grooming of vulnerable white girls (happy-slappers is rather demeaning, don't you think?) from broken backgrounds, often in care homes, enticed into drug addiction by Asian men. This is something that has occurred in dozens of Northern towns and East Midland locations, and most likely still is, and there was this pathetic mantra amongst the media darlings that  "this isn't a racial thing", despite it being 99% British Pakistani/Bengali motivated. There, if ever, was an opportunity to confront racist attitudes amongst segments of the Asian community towards white women. The opportunity passed discreetly by. How cowardly  >:

The leit motiff whenever racism is discussed is Steven Lawrence, how's about next time the scourge of racism is challenged we have as the poster boy someone like Kriss Donald.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald

I'll hazard a guess you weren't aware of this repulsive Asian on white racist murder?

Here's another example. This time in Peterborough. Once again, I doubt the vast majority on this forum heard a whisper about this at the time. However, racist ramblings on Twitter command top rank headlines. Something wrong here, surely?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ross_Parker

Oh FSS, you pillock. "Happy slappers" refers to people who get pissed and beat strangers up without provocation. Like loads of scummy kids of all races do, sadly, each week in most cities. There was a case a few months back where a couple of Asian girls had done this and their victims were white and the Mail went mental about it. The point being the racial background was irrelevant, it was drunken dickheads being scrotes, only those with an agenda to push brought the race into it.

Much like the grooming you thought I meant. Because yes there are Asian paedos. But there's been hundreds of white paedos (and grooming rings) over the years. You may have noticed some of them being mentioned in the papers of late? They're scum, all of them. They're not white scum, Asian scum or black scum especially, they're just scum, irrespecitive of the colour of their skin.

Of course I was. As was anyone who reads the news. It was all over the news at the time and rightly so. Just like Stephen Lawrence, Anthony Walker and all the dozens of others. Your point? Or are you just wanting to do the general "Oooh, them Asians they're a bad lot but you can't say so can you? Political correctness gone mad that's what it is" thing?

Paul, ad hominem attacks won't work with me, don't feed me that cliched crap.

Kriss Donald's case was subject to a D-Notice, on police insistence, which is to say for the sake of "racial harmony" the media were very much constrained as to how they were allowed to cover the case.

For my sins I listen to TalkSport and the irritating afternoons newscaster has this obssession with Twitter remarks regarding race. The people who make these utterances are morons but the coverage is of absurd dimensions.

As Coca Fola will tell you, and of my nearby origin also, if nasty names are the height of this country's problems, then things are pretty cushty. But then, as I detail, there's more to this pogram on racists than meets the eye. Much goes conveniently unmentioned. I defy you to tell me the Kriss case was all over the papers. Arrant nonsense.

I'm the least divisive person you could meet, yet sametimes I can't stand the hippocracy surrounding the subject of racism. Cuts in every direction. Personally i'm sick of people drawing attention to differences and worse still, those who would thrive upon, like this lawyer, who hide behind a veil of social justice.

I have no truck with you Paul but I don't like going down this well worn road. There is no monopoly on victimhood, everyone has suffered. Get on with life, and these professional leaches who stoke the flames of percieved racism can go to hell.