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Wilder points the finger at Town players
           


  OXFORD boss Chris Wilder was disappointed by the actions of some Swindon players in Saturday’s derby clash at the Kassam Stadium, accusing them of deliberately trying to get James Constable sent
  off.

           

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Vary gracious of him

Well Devera did put his head deliberately on the end of Cuntstuble's elbow ;)

Oh the moral outrage.

Who was one of the Oxford subs on Saturday? Exactly.

I was a bit disappointed with one of the oxford players elbowing one of ours in the face.

Twat.

Wilders a prat. As bad as their fans.

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Chris Wilder

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Chris Calmer

I'm sorry, that was poor

That is a very forced smile.

I can only assume he was sent of for that outrageous gesticulating?

Well ... point the finger back at him.

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I like the bloke in the background of the chris wilder picture.  He's doing the 'joey' face and the wanker hand sign at the same time.

That makes me nostalgic for 1980s insults.

And Wilder is issuing instruction.  He's asking the ballboy to hold the ball in the corner.

 ;D

It amused me that he attempted to mock Di Canio by wearing a yellow & blue striped scarf. Just made himself look like a complete prick IMO.

I didn't know what he looked like until i saw that pic above. He is such a fucking nobody. They've won their cup final which underdogs sometimes do. Fuck em and their twat of a manager

never heard of him before he was mentioned as the scums babysitter

What a twat, if he thought it was a wrong decision they would be appealing it.

They arent doing that so he is clearly just shit stirring

From todays oxford mail:

 Like his opposite number Paolo Di Canio, Wilder donned a scarf and suit for the match, but said the similarities between the duo end there.

“I’m here in my Oxford scarf and my Marks and Spencer suit, but I’m not like Paolo am I?” he asked.

“Although I guess if it was from Markso Spencero I might be!”

Apparently Gilbert O Sullivan has been on the robert elms show on radio that london talking about his love for STFC.

Strikes me that the he wrote oh wack a doo wack a day many years ago.  Several years later Timmy Mallett used that as inspiration for wac a day.

Even in the shit fans stakes between us and pox, they are in our shadow.

Like it!!

Very interesting....I am having a listen to that now on the iPlayer.

Superb!

"The bloke in the background" looking like a Joey is Andy Melville, gk_nash.


Does it matter? I'd rather be Oxford United, managed by the nobody (but wholly capable) Chris Wilder, than "Paolo Di Canio's Swindon town". Your manager is bigger than your club.

Which is why he will get better players than division 4 normally attracts. Which is why he will get us promoted. And yes he will eventually leave, maybe in the summer, hopefully sometime thereafter.

Better that than the alternative.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p00pcc9w

About 2 hours and 40 mins in "Paolo....top of the league...." love it :)

Tell me that if our league positions stay the same at the end of the season and you blow the play offs.

There isn't such thing as a rookie manager being too big for any club.

:nod:

I think what pisses oxford fans is the fact alot of our fans are not as gutted as they would be if they lost. There is a general reaction of ah well never mind our end

Beating Swindon is all that matters to them. For us, it's nice to beat Oxford but not the end of the world if we don't.

Oh, dear. See that's your problem.

Amen to that

Getting promoted is the bigger fish that we will be sticking in the fryer.

I think Wilder's pretty intelligent. He knows saying things about Swindon gets him in their fans good books. He knows their fans get restless pretty quickly.

After winning 10 in a row, and going into the game with a 4 point lead at the top I think most of us could see a bigger picture. With our cup runs the league really is relentless and we dont have time to mope about. Just got to enjoy watching a team thats far too good for this league.

Your points tally this season will be higher than ours, that is a certainty. But I don't believe that Di Canio would've been able to get us out of the Conference with the strict budget we had and continue to have. And I wouldn't want my club to be known as Joe Bloggs' Oxford United. For that reason I'm more than happy with our man. Our side has improved in each of the three years that he's been here, and he's always come up trumps in the big games. Whether you know it or not, he has been a very good manager for us, on and off the pitch.

In the eyes of the media, yes.
Where as your manager is as tin pot and insignificant as the club he manages. Fair play for always raising it against us and all that though.....

What's got your goat, arriba? Or need I ask. You're normally pretty level-headed. Time to indulge in a Bob Marley cigarette maybe.

I like the fact that Swindon Town have a long tradition in providing young coaches the opportunity to get their first managerial role in the Football League.

It makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

Firoz Kassam's Oxford United.

And we all know where that got us.

He got you a shiny new stadium...what's the problem?

OF - Where do you think the natural position of OUFC should be? Personally, for the size and history OUFC has you are massively under achieving and getting out of L2 must be the aim and anything else is failure.

When you say "he got you", you mean he sold our old ground which we owned to his own company then got planning permission on it then sold it to developers handily pocketing the cash for himself leaving the club stadium-less and out of pocket before building a wanky indetikit ground with massive gaps between the stands and charging us half a million a year to play in it, yeah?

Oh and the hot dog prices are extortionate and the tea is always too hot.

Is that a compliment or are you trying to be funny?

Both

Now you're just being picky

Id say that was good business!

Neither really, look you were pulling 5-6k in the conference and have the second? highest aggregate in L2. You said that Wilder has improved year on year and I'm wondering if getting out of the conference and playoffs (so far) is that good or simply the minimum.

Oxford have enjoyed two more seasons in the promised land than us... but they have little over 20 seasons worth of experience above the 3rd Tier and a heck of a lot of Non-League football.

If division entitlement existed, which it doesn't, they could argue a place in the 3rd tier. Much like us.

For us I think the minimum is upper L1 and if Championship ever came I'd fucking love it.

nothing got my goat fella. thought my post was reasonable to be honest.

FWIW a manager who does a good job regardless of his stature is a manager worth having.

If you had a choice between going places from where you as "Di Canio's team" compared to stagnation you would take it. All ifs and buts as we've neither been promoted and pushing on and you have not yet stayed down but if Di Canio was doing a poor job and another non-name was doing a good one I know which I'd choose.

But managers who are 'too big' for the team they manage(d):

Paul Ince - More player pedigree than Di Canio you could argue. Did a decent job until he went beyond his capability then turned to shit. Clearly not too big for Franchise.

Hamman - Worked out terribly.

Lawrie Sanchez - Not doing too well. The fans and players have realised what an arrogant cunt he is.

Peter Taylor - Managed around this level the last few jobs and under-performed.

Aidy Boothroyd - Another known name. Is he proving he is too big for a club like Northampton?


That's just a quick off the top of my head selection, there are plenty more examples. Some of those are experienced heads and some are/were rookies. Clearly no team is too small for a manager unless he has unrealistic goals.

Considering that least season we finished just outside the play-offs, the minimum this season is a place there.

The chairman and owner both like Wilder a lot, and have a very good working relationship. Like most fans, they recognise that he's achieved whilst adhering to strict budgets. If we failed to make the play-offs this season I think they'd keep him, though it would be acknowledged that we underachieved but did so in a more competitve league than last year whilst maintaining financial stability.

Based on attendances we, like you I expect, would hope to be around the top of L1, going up to the Championship now and then. We want to get to the Championship to regularly get attendances that would justify the building of the 4th stand, and the closer we get (to the Championship) the more the possibility of buying the ground back, which is desirable and would be a significant financial gain.

Like Costanza says we've had less time in the league than you but achieved more. That's part of why I completely disagree with this "Oxford are tin pot" nonsense. For every "Oxford are tinpot they're proposing a DVD of the derby" there's a "Swindon are tinpot they want a plaque for beating Wigan reserves in the second round of the cup". If you think that you are somehow superior then you are deluded. Same sort of attendances, league records, cups/championships won, size if ground, ultimate goals as a club, fan base. Like someone said on here the other day, I'm all for the fun of the derby and our rivalry, done the right way it's brilliant. It's the epitomy of sport captured in one event. But away from the circus of derby day I respect Swindon fans because they've chosen to support their local side (a side which is similar in many ways to mine), a rare trait in modern sports fans. Now fuck off.

edit: the bit about being deluded isn't aimed at anyone in particular by the way.

Probably not right to say "a rare trait in modern sports fans" either, it seems to just be football really.

where has the plaque for the Wigan game thing come from?

Di Canio was in the paper after the Wigan match saying there should be something in place to mark the achievement.

oh lordy

"The lads deserve for the club to do something special and put their names on the stadium," said the Italian, whose team fell behind in the first half to a goal from Callum McManaman before overturning that deficit through strikes from Alan Connell and Paul Benson.

"I know that normally you only do this when you win something big and I'm not necessarily saying [to put up] a statue, but even something small like a plaque with all their names because they have done something special. Even if I go on to become a Premier League manager and they go on to become Premier League players, this is to be remembered."

Fuck the plaque, i want a statue of PDC in the middle of the Magic Roundabout

The man could be onto something there.

Progress, so I've been told.

Whichever way you choose to dress things up OF, beating Wigan makes us the first league 2 team to beat a Prem team for 22 years and is something to be proud of.

Beating a rival in the same league as you, while commendable is surprisingly not such a great feat and happens much more frequently.

You obviously don't understand that he wasn't being entirely serious, I think you have been wooshed by Di Canio TBH.

Everyone knows he was being tongue in cheek about that statement.

(i know that you will come back and say you did it on purpose but I will 'bite anyway)

You obviously don't know a lot about football if you think Premiership teams play in the second round of the FA Cup.

Incidentally, the plaque thing was completely over the top, but not many L2 sides beat Premiership sides in the cup so it was a pretty good achievement IMHO.

...and no matter how many times you say it. It still wasn't Wigan reserves.

This.

I think 7 Wigan players that played in the game were involved in their preceding squad v Sunderland.

And I think almost all of them have played at least a part in some Premier League games since then.

You also have to bear in mind that the 'PDC factor' has probably brought us more television and press coverage than in a long time, the more times our 'circus' is on TV, the more money it brings in. Can't see much of a problem with that.

I really don't have any issue in the slightest with being 'Paolo's Swindon'. In fact, its been pretty good so far!

I didn't mind us being "Glenn Hoddle's Swindon" when we were getting promoted either ;)

I'd imagine it was the same with Lou Macari and Ossie Ardiles' Swindon too.

I wish we still had Paul Hart.

Having a living legend as a manager is the pits.

All gone to shit since he left :( Come back, Paul!

Spencer totally agree, with PDC it's all me, me, me. All that passion and qwaality is starting to piss me roight off.

A lot of people talk about Paolo being full of himself, desperate to get into the press...

Does he actually speak to the press any more than other managers? Or are there just more people interested in what he has to say?

Sorry, what was that?  I was watching Arsenal miss the fourth goal.

At the Oxford game before kick off it was bloody funny, there must have been 10 photographers around our dug out and not a single one at Wilder's. Now PDC had nothing to do with that other than turning up.

He's just himself and people struggle with that, some people expect just the grey approach that 90% of league mangers have.

That was quite good he had the interviewer a few times on that.

Di Canio is a journalists dream. I imagine raising Swindon Town's profile would have been somewhere on Wray's agenda when he made the appointment. Fair enough I say.

im just happy to be watching some exciting football and actually seeing our manager with abit of passion instead of the boring sods that just stand still arms folded like so many previous managers.

 :beers:

My initial reaction when we officially became 'Paolo Di Canio's Cirque-du-Swindon' was that it would be over pretty quickly either through catastrophe or being lured to a bigger club. He's proved me wrong.

If PDC has only one season with Swindon and during that campaign he takes us up and perhaps with a JPT win too, then his stock will always be high.

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How many other managers could have got that reaction out of their fans on saturday after a derby defeat? Not many.

Fucking legend.

See that Wilder is moaning about the ref tonight but Shrews equalized with a long range shot in time added on due to the Pox cheating as usual.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

The ref was horrendous, to be fair.

Do you often get 5 minutes added on in your games?

I've said it before, but if we went up and then PDC left, he would hardly have attained legend status in my book.  The way I see it is that last season was an aberration that saw us drop in to a division that we should never have dropped in to.  Look back over 130+ years of history and only 6 or 7 of those seasons have been played in the fourth tier.  There were only 6 teams in League One last season getting better crowds than we were, and we made the play off final the season before.  Finishing bottom was under-achievement on a catastrophic scale.  It should never have happened.

All of which means that, while this season has been fun, promotion really only gets us back where we started from.  Or put another way, PDC will have emulated the achievement of Paul Sturrock in getting us back to League One at the first attempt.  While Sturrock is remembered better than most of our ex-managers, he’s hardly up there in Legend’s Enclosure.  In order for PDC to become a true Swindon legend, he will need to continue what he has started - and take his excellent work from this season forward in to next.  Take us up to the Championship, and he will have emulated Lou Macari’s achievement in the mid-1980s.  Then he’ll be a legend.

Happily enough, I do not believe Paolo is going to cut & run at the end of this season.  I think he wants Championship football back at the County Ground as much as I do.  (Naïve of me to think that?  Maybe.  Time will tell.  But I think I’m right.)  As Jeremy Wray said recently, Paolo should be here for as long as the Club demonstrates that it matches his own ambitions…so to an extent, the ball is in our court.

Obviously the ref was horrendous against shrewsbury in the game against us, so it all evens out and makes it our fault.  Which is nice.

They are good (or should that be bad) at time wasting. After the ball boy shenanigans on Saturday, I think their keeper was booked for wasting time in the second half.

Great result for us, we open up more of a gap between us and Shrewsbury.

Gillingham looking good for that final play-off spot.

Apparently their keeper admitted on the radio saturday that he went down to waste time

The wallies on Radio Oxford suggested that he went down with cramp. How often do professional goalkeepers get cramp?

That Rhodes Brown gimp was really annoying, every time the main commentator suggested Pox were doing something wrong, he kept saying 'oh no, we are Oxford United, that's not our way' etc. Total plum that man (who ever he is).

Roads brown? Is that a smattering of horse shit?

I thought that about the cramp aswell Bob.

Rhoades brown is an ex player of theirs from years ago

Rhodes-Brown was an arse when he was a player and his arsiness has only gotten worse with age.

It made me laugh that the commentator on Radio Oxford kept mentioning repeatedly that the ground only had 3 stands - it was only a small thing but tickled me that he kept going on about it.

Didn't Rhodes Brown play for Chelsea as well?

Rhodes-Brown used to play for Chelsea and us.

We don't normally waste time, the derby is the most effective I've seen us do it and that was mainly down to the ball boy and crowd keeping the balls. The ball boy wouldn't have been under any instructions to do it, just a youth team player who supports his club.

Our 'keeper was booked in the 20th minute (of the first half) against the Shrews, a complete joke of a booking. The ball went over the crossbar and because he didn't immediately run to get it he was booked.

The ref was really awful all night. Wilder said he had a bad feeling when he met the Shrews staff and the ref beforehand; the ref was on first name terms with all of them and very pally. He gave throw-ins the wrong way when it was obvious, added 2 mins in the first half (there were some injuries) and then 5 in the second (there were no injuries). Also, to underline his ineptitude, gave our player offside direct from a throw-in which is impossible. Boo hoo I know.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Somebody call

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All hail to the referee!

Sounds like your keeper was simply getting his just desserts after his antics on saturday. Not sure how you can say for sure the ballboy wasn't instructed to waste time either but we'll just have to beg to differ.

I'm off to look at the league table....

Sadly these sort of inept refereeing performances seem to be the norm at our level. At least you get consistency and shouldn't be too surprised when it happens!!

On the tv it looked to me that the ballboy didnt even need to get the ball on saturday, as the way i saw it ritchie was going to get it to give back to the keeper?

Er...

From Shrewsbury forum:/


In fact they don't seem to like our yellow friends at all going by that thread

http://blueandamber.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=77989

I think the Shrews fans sum the yellows forum up perfectly in that thread!!

There must be a forum where there are intelligent Oxford fans surely? Or am I asking too much?

The only one is Oxford Fan.......who spends most of his time on ours!

yeah, oxford-fan on here.

haha. Nice one Leefer, Arriba. :)

They seem a little more reasonable here: http://www.rageonline.co.uk/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=f7cf2f4d774ede861cf94c2fcb396286

Oxford fans more-so than a group of Swindon haters. There seems to be fewer of them though.

Had a quick look. Seems to be a much more intelligent forum. Shame there doesn't seem to be many posters on it as it looks like you could actually have some decent banter on that without the usual childish 'webbed fingers' 'you shag your mum/sister/aunt' drivel on that other place.

You could take comfort, OF in the fact Shrewsbury weren't happy with the ref when they played us because...he was from Wiltshire. They even complained to the football league:

http://blueandamber.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=77762

I'd have done the same as the ball boy, wouldn't you? It's not as though any of them but him were doing it, i.e. they'd been given blanket instructions to be little sods.

Liked this quote from the Shrews forum:

"Make Gillingham look more appealing, which takes some doing."

I think that thread goes a long way to suggesting Shrewsbury are alright.  Hope they finish second.

Oh, and Derek Smalls wears a Shrewsbury top...not relevent, but I just remembered.

Fair comment, you've got me there. I probably would do the same. Not sure the other ball boys were the quickest but just got frustrated with your constant timewasting Saturday (yep again would have done the same). Does mean i have fuck all sympathy with your five minutes injury time last night though. It's pretty much the norm these days second half now anyway.

They now have fridge magnets to celebrate the win in august.For that reason alone i don't think OF can mock paolos wigan comments anymore can he :-)

Where can I purchase said glorious item? Sounds special.

www.sadpoxcunts.co.uk

I wouldn't say that's really the case for us... Granted we sat back against Accy but it wasn't a tactic Paolo chose. I like to think on the whole we play to the whistle. Who's with me!