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Title: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: News Monkey on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 06:00:03
Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
           



  DAVID Prutton feels a failure to tackle problems until it was too late has played a major part in Swindon’s toils this season.

           

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/8983030.Club_failed_to_act_quickly_enough_to_glaring_problems___Prutton/?ref=rss
           


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 06:20:09
No shit


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Barnard on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 07:06:33
And one of those glaring problems has been Prutton's continued presence in the team when his performances haven't come close to warranting it.

He say's later on that he doesn't want to be part of why people have a bad weekend or lose interest on football. Come and have a read on here mate. I think you'll find you've amply contributed to both.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 07:12:02
And one of those glaring problems has been Prutton's continued presence in the team
Exactly. Cheeky twat. Presumably he'll be handing back the inflated wages he's been picking up all season as part of his effort to rectify the "glaring problems" then?


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 07:14:28
Dead right Prutts!

I would of dropped you after 5 games and not played you again.

Adver: non story - state the bleeding obvious.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 07:28:04
Oh and the headline's not even English. You might react to problems or act on them (or take action to deal with them even) but you don't act to them. Nil points all round.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: tj2002 on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 09:05:53
It's hard work but it pays well??!!! Cheeky cunt, to even mention money when we're in this predicament is unbelievable. 


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: ghanimah on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 10:12:56
Oh and the headline's not even English. You might react to problems or act on them (or take action to deal with them even) but you don't act to them. Nil points all round.

The headline is English (I can read it), it's just not grammatically correct English  :)


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:03:58
We have heard from the players and we have heard from the board about our failings for this season, the person who I would of loved to have heard from is Wilson and hear what his side of the story was. If only in the hope he may shed some light on these constant rumours/accusations of board meddling


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:11:06
The headline is English (I can read it), it's just not grammatically correct English  :)
Fuck. Out-pedanted.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:16:39
You know what i actually don't give a fuck about this season anymore. I just hope the board have learnt lessons and the pre season shows us showing massive intent on pissing that shitty league


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:17:58
You know what i actually don't give a fuck about this season anymore.
Most of the team were there 3-4 months ago.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:18:50
You know what i actually don't give a fuck about this season anymore. I just hope the board have learnt lessons and the pre season shows us showing massive intent on pissing that shitty league
This. It's now all about how the board, coaching staff (whoever they end up being) and players (whoever they end up being) respond over the summer and into next season.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:23:57
Most of the team were there 3-4 months ago.
About the same time as many of us then.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:43:28
Shouldnt we know who the manager will be by the end of next week?


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:46:06
Shouldnt we know who the manager will be by the end of next week?

Fitton said he wanted it tied up by May. Probably can't do much until we are relagated officially really. You can't be changing managers whilst the team can theoretically stay up.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:52:44
They did before ;)


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 12:00:21
They did before ;)

Well yes, but, but.....you know waht I meant!


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 12:14:47
I suspect they know who they want and a deal may even be agreed but will not be announced until we know what next season holds to be fair to the new man - and to Hart as he hs contracted until the end of the season


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: bathford on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 13:26:49
I've been down the Council run site next door today. When I left Hart was getting into his Merc.  Looked well p****d off!


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: DV on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 14:18:34
You know what i actually don't give a fuck about this season anymore. I just hope the board have learnt lessons and the pre season shows us showing massive intent on pissing that shitty league

Indeed.

We need to go into L2 like we did last time, all billy big bollocks proclaiming our promotion 25 minutes into the opening day!!!


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 15:01:43
I thought you weren't bothered one way or t'other DV? Come on, own up, you know you won't be able to leave it alone next season, L2 or not


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 15:06:31
I thought you weren't bothered one way or t'other DV? Come on, own up, you know you won't be able to leave it alone next season, L2 or not

Quite


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: DV on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 15:07:36
I thought you weren't bothered one way or t'other DV? Come on, own up, you know you won't be able to leave it alone next season, L2 or not

I have no renewed by season ticket.

If Paul Hart remains in charge I will not be back.

It will take a very inspiring, decent managerial appointment (like Wise was) and alot of good proven better than L2 players coming in, to make me change my mind.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 15:46:03
I have no renewed by season ticket.

If Paul Hart remains in charge I will not be back.

It will take a very inspiring, decent managerial appointment (like Wise was) and alot of good proven better than L2 players coming in, to make me change my mind.

Can't see the Board changing their strategy to be honest.....which will mean another relatively low key appointment...Hart/McParland, Trollope, Money sort of thing.

I wouldn't be adverse to Mellon


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 15:47:57
I wouldn't be adverse to Mellon
Well, he'll do for starters :)


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 15:52:45
For fuck sake here we go with the puns again.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 15:52:56
Well, he'll do for starters :)

If it's puns we want then Money must be the man....


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 16:46:43
A pair of mellons might be good



Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 16:48:49
Well, he'll do for starters :)
:D


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: DV on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 17:01:19
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Can't see the Board changing their strategy to be honest.....which will mean another relatively low key appointment...Hart/McParland, Trollope, Money sort of thing.

I wouldn't be adverse to Mellon

The board need to remember that the F.C. in our name stands for Football Club.

That was has left me most disillusioned with us this season, its all money, money, money - dont get me wrong I dont want the club to spend shit loads of money it doesnt have and all that but at the end of the day we're (supposed to be) a competitive sports team!

Brighton gambled this year, they spent money in the summer and January - no doubt operated at a loss and it did them no fucking harm. We sold all our players first chance we got, replaced them on the cheap - if at all, operated at a profit and went down - fucking brilliant.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 17:25:58
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The board need to remember that the F.C. in our name stands for Football Club.

That was has left me most disillusioned with us this season, its all money, money, money - dont get me wrong I dont want the club to spend shit loads of money it doesnt have and all that but at the end of the day we're (supposed to be) a competitive sports team!

Brighton gambled this year, they spent money in the summer and January - no doubt operated at a loss and it did them no fucking harm. We sold all our players first chance we got, replaced them on the cheap - if at all, operated at a profit and went down - fucking brilliant.

I still happen to think the strategy is essentially correct, I just don't think we can afford to flirt with the sort of business practices we have in the past...we very nearly went under, and that in a more benevolent economic climate.

At least you have the option of not going to watch the club, even though it will still exist. That has to be better than having no option at all.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Doore on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 17:44:52
I still happen to think the strategy is essentially correct, I just don't think we can afford to flirt with the sort of business practices we have in the past...we very nearly went under, and that in a more benevolent economic climate.

At least you have the option of not going to watch the club, even though it will still exist. That has to be better than having no option at all.

Absolutely right.  I want a really nice car.  We want really good players.  If I buy a really nice car, i might end up losing my house.  If we buy really good players, we might lose the club.  What do you do? 

I bought a Grande Punto.  I still have my house.  Its not ideal, but its better than nothing.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: DV on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:10:19
Yes, but you having a really nice car wont increase the value of your house, nor is your car ever likely increase in value.

Having the best car in your street wont make more people pay to watch your car. Having a better car wont attract better sponsors to your house. You having a better car wont earn you more prize money.

Plus, having a really nice car isnt a competition 24 other cars are competing in. Having a nice car wont get you promoted to an area with other nice cars.

...and your house and car isnt being bank rolled by a consortium of people who have alot of money behind them.





Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:14:56
Since when have we had the right to demand that other people throw their money away for us?


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: DV on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:21:53
Did I say that?


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:25:37
Pretty much yeah!


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Doore on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:33:27
Did I say that?

You did, yes.  "Bankrolled by a consortium of people who have a lot of money behind them" - you want them to put more money into the club, at a very high risk of getting nothing back.  If you look at your suggestion from their point of view, you might understand why Mourinho isn't our manager and we haven't signed Messi, Ronaldo, Tevez and the ghost of Stanley Matthews.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: DV on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:34:48
Nope.

Their business men, I'm sure they know in most business you need to speculate to accumulate.

Next season we could spend nothing in transfers, hire a cheap manager, operate at a profit and finish 15th. We could also get in a decent manager, spend 300k on getting players in, keep the same wage budget, operate at a slight loss and finish 1st.

In the long term option two is better. Winning team will bring in more people, go up and they'll stick around and get a season ticket next season. Bigger away followings in L1, better TV income, able to attract better sponsorship.

It seems most of you would be quite happy to be shit, finish 15th but operate at a profit.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: DV on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:36:37
You did, yes.  "Bankrolled by a consortium of people who have a lot of money behind them" - you want them to put more money into the club, at a very high risk of getting nothing back.  If you look at your suggestion from their point of view, you might understand why Mourinho isn't our manager and we haven't signed Messi, Ronaldo, Tevez and the ghost of Stanley Matthews.

All I said was our owners have alot of money, is this not true?

The line you've quoted from me says nothing about them putting in large amounts of money.

Perhaps I should have said your house and car isnt owned by a consortium of people with alot of money behind them.

...or I could just not bother, that seems a better idea.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Doore on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:37:27
Nope.

Their business men, I'm sure they know in most business you need to speculate to accumulate.

Next season we could spend nothing in transfers, hire a cheap manager, operate at a profit and finish 15th. We could also get in a decent manager, spend 300k on getting players in, keep the same wage budget, operate at a slight loss and finish 1st.

In the long term option two is better. Winning team will bring in more people, go up and they'll stick around and get a season ticket next season. Bigger away followings in L1, better TV income, able to attract better sponsorship.

It seems most of you would be quite happy to be shit, finish 15th but operate at a profit.


Or - they might look at the countless examples of clubs who have spent beyond their means and felt the inevitable consequences - see Leeds, Plymouth, or Swindon Town not that many years ago, a few hours from not existing at all.  


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Doore on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:38:33
All I said was our owners have alot of money, is this not true?

The line you've quoted from me says nothing about them putting in large amounts of money.

Perhaps I should have said your house and car isnt owned by a consortium of people with alot of money behind them.

...or I could just not bother, that seems a better idea.

So the money you want us to spend - if it doesn't come from the consortium, who does it come from?


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:38:49
I don't think it's really a question of throwing money at the club, just stop running the football side like idiots.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: DV on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:39:30
I havent say anything about spending beyond our means though have I?

I havent said we should spend millions and millions of pounds and pay the players 15,000 a week.

Jesus Wept.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:41:13
Its a fine financial balancing act of spend v "product", not at all easy. Last season it worked a treat. This season the inverse.  We can never put the future of the club at risk again, even if the consequences are relegation.

Might be this way for a while without a rich sugar daddy (or mammy).

edit: te he. Just saw DV's reply - so this will wind him up.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:44:50
Its a fine financial balancing act of spend v "product", not at all easy. Last season it worked a treat. This season the inverse.  We can never put the future of the club at risk again, even if the consequences are relegation.

Might be this way for a while without a rich sugar daddy (or mammy).


Spot on Batch. DV needs to realise that we aren't Chelsea.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 18:48:50
Spot on Batch. DV needs to realise that we aren't Chelsea.

We aren't even Crawley.


Title: Re: Adver News: Club failed to act quickly enough to glaring problems - Prutton
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 19:19:56
The board need to remember that the F.C. in our name stands for Football Club.

That was has left me most disillusioned with us this season, its all money, money, money
I'd completely agree with this. Which is why I find it bizarre that you then go on to talk pretty much solely about money, money, money based on the false premise that money hasn't been spent this season. It has in both transfers and some pretty substantial wages that people always seem to forget about as if transfer spending was the only part of the football budget. The problem is not that money hasn't been spent, it's that it's not been spent well. And the decision making has been poor.

As you so rightly put it
The board need to remember that the F.C. in our name stands for Football Club.
It's not just a standard P&L business, and while they're very good at the business side of things, their record has been patchy on the football side of things. Time to get some expert advice in methinks. But simply throwing money at the problem is categorically NOT the answer - that's a very good way to end up with a team full of Pruttons.