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Everyone going on about how we will miss his experience should maybe have a closer look at how many games he has played compared to our current defenders.

he has played around just 20 games more than kev amankawaah and has actually played less game than rose who we bought in.

Dave when you get a min maybe you could put exact games up :D

if thats right then ace :)

maybe the key word is 'leadership' then.can you see amnakwaa calling the shots?
greer is still and experinced centre back though aint he?

Cuthbert has nearly 100 league games and has been a captain since he was growing up and captained all teams he played for at international level.

Rose has played nearly 300 games.

I personally think Cuthbert can step up to the leadership side of things. The problem may come if he is concentrating on other people's games more than his own.

At the moment we're all second guessing what will happen. We have lost that experience and leadership at centre back but it could be replaced already within the squad. Who's have honestly thought a non league striker could be as prolific as Simon Cox or Billy Paynter would be the division's second top scorer? McGovern upping his game, Amankwaah being good despite apparently being the worst player ever on Swansea's books?

That's why, although I would prefer to have a contingency, I am not panicked by our options at the moment. I guess at a very worst case scenario we sign nobody, realise early on what will/won't work and grab someone(s) on loan to help things out.

If we get Caddis he has experience of captaining a team too, here's a good example.click here for article (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/international/article6012048.ece)

Inexperience in the central pairing was the issue.

If Cuthbert can lead the line then great!

Why is it a issue? The defence work as a unit

Because exxperienced players generally know where to be and what to do in a variety of situations because they have done it all before. Hence why they are experienced.

I've not seen Rose play, and have no idea if Amankwha or Cuthbert can talk someone through a game when things get difficult.

It could all work out brilliantly. Who knows. I do know that Greer was up to the job, but that's history so we move on.

I think quite a few of us are still licking our wounds because we know these were Greer's merits and we're used to him taking up the mantle.

Can Rose play centre back?

Yes, but if you (hypothetically) have one leader and they are a wing-back, it is very difficult to communicate with the whole defensive line. Having a leader at CB keeps the central pairing strong and makes it easier to have leadership of the defence as a whole.

Can't everyone just get over it already?

Greer has gone. Fitton and Wilson seem ok with the centre backs we've got and if they aren't they'll get someone else in.

What exactly is the problem?

You must have read the other thread jonny, its clear that the problem is Greer's leaving will act as the catalyst for the now inevitable apocalypse.  We're all going to die horribly.

it's something that needs addressing one way or another,and gives us something to talk about.
fuck me aint that what football forums are for?

Yep, thats what we keep saying.

Word for word.

I agree this is a football forum and it's summertime. This is the biggest news of the summer so far. If people want to discuss it so what.

There isn't much else to talk about stfc-wise.

Perish the thought of discussing out current squads coming and going and percieved shortcomings and strengths during the pre-season. The idea is obserd, nay madness. Football fans. Who do they think they are.

Butterscotch instant whip is where its at.

who,s going to take over giving needless  free kicks away

i'd like to see cuthbert as captain but i think it will go to dougie

I suspect we'll start the season with the 3 CBs we currently have given Fitton's comments in the Adver today. I do however think Wilson will look to bring in someone on loan if things don't go well like he did when he bought Greer here initially.

Ive said it once, Ill say it again thats a massive gamble. If that happens, what will happen to Greers 250k?

AF and Co. will without a doubt nick it. Along with selling all saleable assets and definitely not paying any tax or other outstanding overheads whatsoever.

It'll get spent in other areas, including paying the bills. If the teams all round strength is retained then I'm more than happy

Think ee definately need an experienced CB back there. Cuthbert is a great player but we need an experienced head in there. Lack of a replacement will be going back 2 years.

The way you lot go on you would think we have just sold a player with over 500 games ffs.

Shall we not wait and see what happens

Maybe, just maybe Fitton will use it to offset some of the £2m plus he and his mates have to put in to the club each and every season just to keep it going. The bastards.

My issue with all this is the reason we lost the play off final was down to the fact that we had the less experienced side- Millwall had more experience all over the pitch and it showed.

I do not see how losing even more without replacing is going to help us go 1 better this time. You do of course need youth in the side, but this must be balanced with experience as well. At centre back we now have 3 youngish players- hence why a 4th experienced head is desperately needed.

I think its because we played shit

we actually have 4 centre backs, although the 4th is Will Evans!

The more i think about it we can't win can we in some respects.

Most people say Morrison isn't ready yet and needs more game time,we all agree that to be the case and on the other hand we say we are now desperate for experience at the back.

So lets say we get the experienced head in that everyone is craving who out of you lot will be so understanding when sean morrison wants to leave to gain more first team football.

We moan that we want our young players to stay and on the other hand want more experienced players infront of them.

We need a balance of both

Still doesn't answer my point though Bart

...it's like the people who are calling Greer a cunt for going (can't think of anyone specifically right now  ::)) If he had been offered and signed a three year deal with us and after, say a year, had got injured or generally wasn't good enough any more (which does happen) and wasn't getting in the side, those same people would be calling him a cunt for not tearing his contract up and fucking off.

Really no need for the eyes i will gladly call him a cunt. I'm pretty certain the reason i have called him a cunt is because he clearly wanted to leave. If he just says that then fine not all this they won't talk to me until october bollocks.

Offered a better deal on better money at this level at his age he stupid not to take it. Just fucking say that though.

Surely that is fair enough?

The 'eyes' were not directed at you DRS..if anything I was agreeing with your point about the fickle nature of football fans and merely adding another example to back it up. It's easy to misconstrue things on a forum like this and I can see how it happened in this instance.

I was specifically referring to Dave (and I know there are others who share his view) who, I am sure he will agree, made his feelings on Greer very well known but I also remember him being very vociforous in his criticism of Whalley hanging around and seeing his contract out a few years ago.

Oppps like OJ Simpson my bad.

No worries..it's easily done.



And that's not meant to sound patronising!

My concerns around Morrison stepping up to possibly replace Greer don't just lie around his age and experience, but he also seems quite injury prone for a young lad?  All we need is an injury or an injury and a suspension and we're absolutely buggered.  We

What the fuck?

When did I ever say that about Gareth Whalley? Our fault for offering him a stupidly long contract in the first place. He was fully entitled to profit from our (their) stupidity.

I was pretty sure you said he should have his contract cancelled and clear off out of town. Some people were definitely of that opinion. My apologies if you were not one of those.

Nonetheless, the Whalley situation is a good example of why you shouldn't just give players a long contract on the spur of the moment.

Agree OST even more so for a player like greer who has only ever completed one full season. 

We have a policy andd are sticking to it, which is fine.

But you can't compare Greer to Whalley. Greer has proven himself over a season and a bit. Whalley never did that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb95G-mo5-4

That's a shit video. Let's ban kaufman.

At least we didn't have to wait ages for it...