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Title: Premiershit
Post by: trogladite on Monday, June 28, 2010, 13:20:26
clubs play to many games.  Well, that's the excuse being wheeled out for englands capitulation.  poor dears are to tired to play during the summer months.
I'll lay my cards on the table and tell you I have no interest in the premiershit or england, although I'm English as far back as written records go for the peasantry.
Why not drop the premiershit for all domestic cup competition.  As long as ALL English players don't play in the myriad of world friendlies that would magically appear to fill the fixture gap?


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, June 28, 2010, 13:30:10
It's not just you trogaldite, but using the term 'premiershit' is getting nearly as annoying/childish as 'Aljokefree'.


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, June 28, 2010, 13:32:45
playing 4 more league games per season than Sapin/ Germany Italy etc isnt the route of Englands footballing issues.


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Arriba on Monday, June 28, 2010, 13:41:37
the lack of fitness of some of those players yesterday was blatantly obvious.
rooney and barry in particular were miles off the pace.


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, June 28, 2010, 13:42:22
What Colin said.


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, June 28, 2010, 13:58:04
It's not just you trogaldite, but using the term 'premiershit' is getting nearly as annoying/childish as 'Aljokefree'.

Phew, I'm not alone in thinking that then.


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 28, 2010, 13:59:48
Philip Lahm played 61 games this season for Bayern Munich, more than any of the England players.

He didn't look particularly knackered I have to say.


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Arriba on Monday, June 28, 2010, 14:02:22
i'm sure we had players carrying knocks.barry hadn't prepared properly and that showed yesterday.rooney hasn't been fit for ages(including the pre tournament friendlies)add that to lazy cunts like lampard and donkeys like heskey and there you have it.a squad not bang at it, so it's bnever going to deliver the goods


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, June 28, 2010, 14:11:58
As a probably slightly controversial thought, how many whinging England fans complaining about the Premiership and its impact on the England team etc, sign up and pay for Sky Sports?


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, June 28, 2010, 14:16:20
The number of games in not the issue.

They play 4 less league games than the guys in '66, they don't have unlimitless replays in the FA Cup, they don't really play in the League Cup (unless they get through to the semi's and final). The only competitions where the number of fixtures have increased is the Chumpions League/UEFA Europa League Cup, and also playing more WC/European qualifiers, due to the breakup of Russia/Yugoslavia over the years.


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, June 28, 2010, 14:16:31
As a probably slightly controversial thought, how many whinging England fans complaining about the Premiership and its impact on the England team etc, sign up and pay for Sky Sports?

Most of them i suspect. Armchair fans are the most knowledgeable fans, due to all the accurate information fed to them via commentary and punditry, and that's a fact. Much like Sky inventing the whole "day light" nonsense in the offside rule. It never existed yet they talked about it so much everyone believed it.


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: jonny72 on Monday, June 28, 2010, 14:19:17
I don't see the number of games that big clubs play being a problem, but I do think those big clubs take a far too short term view of a players fitness. They don't rest players enough and they will often play a player who isn't 100% fit due to it being an important game and them viewing it as being worth taking the risk.


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: pauld on Monday, June 28, 2010, 14:37:01
While it's obvious that being forced to train for as much as 2 hours a day sometimes as much as four days a week is clearly going to be exhausting for the little dears, I think we can all raise a relieved hurrah that it's not stopped Rooney and Gerrard signing up for the A:3k gladiator "tournament" in July and so trousering a much needed £1/2m each. One would hate to think of the poor exhausted dears having to go short, after all


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Power to people on Monday, June 28, 2010, 15:39:05
Greedy gitsare more interested in how much they get paid by their club and all their sponsorship deals than playing iwth pride for their country as they will only get a paltry bonus.

There's a lot of younger players that would consider in an honour to play for their country

We need to re-build the england team with younger players and make sure that players from the likes of the U-21, U18's etc are going to be the next generation and not cast aside for the likes of Terry, Lampard who would prefer picking up their £100k a week to playing in a WC final


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, June 28, 2010, 16:42:15
Phew, I'm not alone in thinking that then.

Just put it in the automatic word changer thingymabob that 'premiershit' gets changed to 'premiership'. That'll fuck 'em off :)


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: DV on Monday, June 28, 2010, 17:30:35
clubs play to many games.  Well, that's the excuse being wheeled out for englands capitulation.  poor dears are to tired to play during the summer months.
I'll lay my cards on the table and tell you I have no interest in the premiershit or england, although I'm English as far back as written records go for the peasantry.
Why not drop the premiershit for all domestic cup competition.  As long as ALL English players don't play in the myriad of world friendlies that would magically appear to fill the fixture gap?

What about all the foreign players who play in the Premiership?

They dont seem to have any trouble.


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 28, 2010, 19:10:38
Well said Dave. Tevez didn't look too knackered last night.

We just aren't good enough.


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: No Longer Posh Red on Monday, June 28, 2010, 19:21:14
Well said Dave. Tevez didn't look too knackered last night.

We just aren't good enough.

True, but to be fair Tevez didnt have european games to play this season.

Also, there aren't many premiership players in the starting line-us of the top teams


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 28, 2010, 19:24:56
I read that Schweinsteiger played two fewer games than Lampard last season.

Its an excuse IMHO.


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: adje on Monday, June 28, 2010, 19:27:03
That Maicon has played something like 65 games-he's covered more ground than our entire squad!


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, June 28, 2010, 19:28:43
Maybe its the fact that our players are regularly getting pissed and stuffing their gobs with shit. You can't really say its the Cups as they only play in the latter rounds. maybe its the number of mid season friendly fixtures the clubs fulfill to top up thier coffers and clock up thier air miles. Possibly its the end of season jaunts - most of these to far flung places now where they can grow their fan base.
Maybe its just the faxct that they are lazy, whinging unfit cunts compared to Johnny Foreginer who can also invariably speak English better.  


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 28, 2010, 19:46:31
I think 90% of it is in the mind.

Rooney was not fully fit though.


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, June 28, 2010, 20:03:14
It's not just you trogaldite, but using the term 'premiershit' is getting nearly as annoying/childish as 'Aljokefree'.

But nowhere near as annoying as opposition fans persisting in calling us 'Swindle Town' 20 years on from the debacle of 1990 ::)


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, June 28, 2010, 22:22:00
The problem with the Premier League is that it encourages a brand of 'entertaining' football that generates the Sky money and sponsorship which is ploughed back into the game. But it's a technically deficient league compared with the Spanish, Italian and German Leagues. Ball retention is not encouraged and Sky will talk about fantastic 4-3 games but players are just used to playing 100 mph games every week. Yet when we come to the World Cup we go out because English players can't retain the ball or be tactially flexible.

There are also deep seated issues with the coaching in this country and young kids end up playing a junior version of the Premier League where it's all about the winning and not developing their skills compared with say the Ajax way in Holland where kids don't play competitive games until much older and are taught to be comfortable with the ball in all posititions. This fits the system of football in this country and the strength of the club system masks the real issues. It will take some fundamental changes how we approach the game before change can happen. Changing the England Manager every couple of years will make little difference


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 06:17:29
Just put it in the automatic word changer thingymabob that 'premiershit' gets changed to 'premiership'. That'll fuck 'em off :)

I think it should be changed to: "I'm a bopard who finds it funny to repeatedly repeat unfunny things".


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 08:42:31
The problem with the Premier League is that it encourages a brand of 'entertaining' football that generates the Sky money and sponsorship which is ploughed back into the game. But it's a technically deficient league compared with the Spanish, Italian and German Leagues. Ball retention is not encouraged and Sky will talk about fantastic 4-3 games but players are just used to playing 100 mph games every week. Yet when we come to the World Cup we go out because English players can't retain the ball or be tactially flexible.
It's by far from the worst problem with the Premiership in terms of the way it's fucking ruined English football, but you are right. And some of the more brain-dead pundits actually crow about "being right" that the Premiership is turning what used to be a sporting competition into an entertainment franchise, a la WWF:

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/stan-collymore/Stan-Collymore-column-My-World-Cup-row-with-Wolves-Mick-McCarthy-and-why-I-m-still-right-over-his-weakened-team-at-Manchester-United-article499137.html

Would a court in the land have convicted Ulrika if she'd stabbed the ignorant bastard when she had the chance?


Title: Re: Premiershit
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 11:00:21
stan collymore is a fucking prick.
he changes his mind by the day,and spouts utter bollocks the majority of the time.
he belives premier league matches should cost £20 a ticket as there is enough money coming in from elsewhere to fund them.
he fails to consider that the vast majority of smaller clubs would be ruined by such a stupid,ill thought out decision.
how could swindon town compare to say arsenal charging 20 quid to watch them?