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As strange as this sounds i'm rather glad our injuries are coming now rather than next month.This month is a tough one anyway and many fans have us down to get hardly any points so lets get the injured players fit for the run in and the play offs.

Does this have any logic behind it?

Dont think it matters, spirit massive, and it should be easy to get a couple of loaners in if needed.

Sounds like the fringe players are keen to take their opportunities when given and to find a positive, it will offer more competition for places when they return to fitness.

Transfer deadline for loans is next Thursday.

If the players who come in play like that every week - then I dont care when the injuries and suspensions kick in.

Gutted for Ferry, the second looked like a good tackle from where I was. I'm never usually quite sure whether to clap off a player who has just got himself sent off. He deserved it tonight, he was awesome.

In a strange way the situation had revitalised us in the last couple of fixtures.

I'm a bit concerned with some of the injuries we have recently and the role of Dick Mackey as physio. At Franchise last week and Southampton he has sent players back onto the pitch in Manky and Scotty Cuthbert who are clearly injured and unable to continue.

Cuthbert could clearly hardly walk after going back on tonight and when he tried to put any weight on his leg he was straight over. Sounds like it's a medial ligament injury and hopefully sending Cuthbert back on doesn't cause any lasting damage. A decent physio should do a structural check on the knee take no risks at all. I have from a couple of people including a sports injury professional that Dick Mackey isn't the best physio in the world so hope it doesn't haunt us.

Hamstring injuries are likely to be attritional from the number of games recently that some of the players have had (Billy, Manky) or where players not playing regularly without many reserve games have to step up (Vince P). Would have to look at the stretching, warming down and treatment of any 'hamstring twinges'.

Great performance tonight by all the lads and one of those special nights to be a Town fan. Everyone worked their socks off and Charlie's finish was fantastic (and maybe a touch of the Don by going around the keeper, you don't see that very often these days. Good that some of the reserves (Phil Smith, Lesc & Marshall) shone as well.

Mackey is not a qualified physiotherapist.

Get rid.

This is the chance for the fringe players to show what they can do, Lesh at CB, Mark Marshall, Phil Smith. So far they have done a great job by the sounds of it. Long may it continue!!

To be fair, I think Cuthbert himself wanted to carry on. You could clearly see he was injured, but I think the player has the final decision.

Cuthbert could hardly walk? Um did anyone else see him sprint back into the centre circle when he came in or have my eyes gone as well now?

We always knew we were going to lose some of the regular players, I'm surprised we've lasted this long before it started. The real issue has always been whether we had the players to replace them and up until very recently the answer would have been no. But have we got enough to last to the end of the season?

We're sorted for keepers (I don't think Wilson will have a problem sending the polish bloke out if needs be). With the signing of Darby out defence is sorted and the midfield has been sorted for a while now. So that leaves the strikers, we need four in total so we're one short - hopefully Wilson can sort it and get someone half decent in.

You are correct Talk Talk-Mackey is not a qualified physio.

Danny Invincible doesnt seem to feature much for Kilmarnock at the moment - would provide good cover in centre forward and wing areas - would seem to fit well with our formation too - would personally love to see him come back for the rest of the season

We can't take an 'emergency'  loan player from Scotland,as proven with our interest in Caddis.
It has to be players from England.

And it's Invincibile, Mr Pock.

I thought it was Danny Invisible

if mackey is unqualified,why have so many managers stuck with him?

You mean Invisibile, obviously.

Presumably because they feel he does a good job, which is far more important than the qualification. Plenty of people have died under the "care" of doctors with all the right bits of paper.

exactly.
if he was not up to the job, somebody would have got rid of him by now.players would have complained to the numerous bosses i'm sure, if they thought he wasn't treating them properly.

Conversely I would rather have a surgeon who had completed their training operating on me rather than someone who had leafed through "The Complete Idiots Guide to Cutting Bits Out Of People".

I made the comment that he is not qualified as a physio. Which implies that we could do better. Seeing as the changing room is beginning to look like Emergency Ward 10, I suggest that this would perhaps be a good place to spend some more of the club's money. Get an additional physio in (one with reputation and qualifications), if it works better then dear old Dick can clean the boots.

How would you know if you were being "treated properly" without being a physio yourself? Perhaps they are happy with a quick sponge down and a spray of deodorant every day for their hamstring strains.

so this doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the same XI have played so many matches in a row then? come on, don't blame the physio for that?!

the players would have been at pro clubs for years, and would have a pretty good idea on how to look after their bodies,how injuries heal etc,etc.
kids at clubs pick up information from day 1.
they will not be experts for sure,but they will have seen or experienced injuires in their time.if mackey didn't know what he was doing he would have been long gone

<shrug>

I wasn't.

how do you know he isnt qualified?

Either way he won't be availabile to loan until the end of the season.

Someone who is told me. Bart confirmed earlier in the thread.

I believe he isn't qualified as a Physio, which is a bit different to being what we determine is a football club physio.  Basically, he wouldn't get a job at the NHS without some additional training and quals.  It's not that long ago that a club physio was just a sponge man, so it's probably more a case that a lot of professional clubs have a "gap" - when players get bad injuries it seems to be external advice that provides their rehabillitation plan.

Remember when Wise came in, how our players suddenly looked fitter because they had someone in concentrating on it.  Maybe it's worth a club having an all round physio/fitness expert who is effectively part of the coaching team.  Ultimately most football injuries are tears or strains, the sort that need time and bit of work rather than a knife or drugs, so I suppose most clubs just don;t see a business case for investing heavily.  Players probably go to extremes about their fitness depending on whether they want to play or not, and unqualified medical staff are just there to keep them going until the day they need to visit the Doc.

we all know Bart knows fuck all.

we have a physio and we have a fitness expert. Neither can legislate for injuries caused by fatigue - as a result of the same XI playing every week.

This thread is pointless.

Some players will be back for Leeds, others Norwich, others will take longer. That's why you have a squad, and a loan market.

Didn't hear too many people complaining in Feb or before, when we had very few injuries.

That's sort of my point, I think he isn't qualified but I don't think it's any different to most other teams - when it's serious enough, outside help is sought.  I don't think it puts us at a disadvantage but there was a marked improvement at the time Wise arrived in general fitness (stamina, work rate etc) as far as I could see from watching games.  I haven't seen that dip away.

I suppose there may be room for improvement, but it's down to budgets - do we get enough improvement to outweigh the cost.

if a player has an injury Dick can't deal with, then they get referred to a specialist, by Dick, which is how most clubs do things.

qualified physio's are fucking useless quacks who know fuck all anyway

Get back to work, you slacker  :D

Mackey's been here for what, the best part of 18 years? Qualified by experience no doubt.

Aside from O'Brien (who is a crock), which player has had a recurring injury this season? What exactly are we trying to blame the club physio for?

Lack of commitment?

Kevin Awanky - Hamstring I beleive

The same Kevin Amankwaah that has missed 3 games all season.

The same Kevin that got injured came back for a game and is injured again

What about Pericard that surely counts as a recurring injury..makes 2 or 3 appearances and get's injured again

This is what I have heard about Dick Mackey is that there is very little middle ground with him, he either deals with the minor knocks and strains or defers the player to a specialist or for a scan at the Ridgeway, if a player went for an MRI scan it would cost £500-600 a time. I was also told by a private practitioner that previous players didn't trust DM and sought private treatment. A decent physio would be able to diagnose an injury, decide on remedial treatment and then refer to a specialist if there wasn't progression.

I just believe that as club if we are looking to progress then maybe this is an area we need to invest in, the job clubs are tempting physios, sports scientists etc away from other sports e.g athletics, rugby etc. We have invested in other areas of the club so this might be an area to look at and keep DM in a supporting role if needed.

Which is where I was headed until I got shouted down with "Our Dick is Solid"(TM).

I completely agree, OM.

this all seems like a bit of a knee jerk reaction if you ask me. injuries happen in football and by sheer coincidence we've got a few at the same time...

Get it looked at. But not by Dick.

ho ho ho

and it just so happens its been a time where we have played alot of re-arranged games from the big freeze.

If Dick wasnt able to do his job, I think someone would have noticed by now - he's been here longer than just about everyone.

Plus, I've still not see any proof he isnt qualified as some people suggest?

Undoubtably some of the recent injuries will have be the attitional effect of the number of games and you will get a number of 'impact' injuries in games through knocks etc. The hamstring injuries would be what are called 'overuse' injuries from the games played, intensity of training and how the players are warming up & down, resting and how any 'niggles' are managed.

That will fall at the door of the coaching staff, fitness coach, physio and how the players look after themselves betwee games and day to day lives. How those all interact will determine why the team have had a sudden run of injuries.

Re DM, if I remember he was brought in by McMahon when we had two physios and due to cost cutting we got rid of the other physio. In the last 10 years, we have not had a lot of managerial stability with most managers not being there long enough to make a decision on physios etc, only Todd and Wise really brought in own backroom teams. With all the financial woes, we were probably happy to keep the status quo. DM has always been an affable, popular person around the club and kept his role.

With the stability in the club now and potentially a step up to the Championship, this might be an area we want to look at with an eye of progressing

Wilson may have been overstating positivity to keep Norwich, although unlikely to be available  guessing but he's stated that:

Cuthbert's injury isn't as bad as first thought.
Morrison 60/40
Paynter improving
Pericard has outside chance
Amankwha has outside chance
Lucas 50/50

I guess the fact he's after a striker must say something though.