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Title: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Sippo on Friday, February 5, 2010, 13:21:09
Glad they didn't win anything. Terrible attack yes, but why are the family trying to milk it?!

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/4984658.Henry_Webster_loses_High_Court_battle/



Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: RJack on Friday, February 5, 2010, 13:25:33
Tbh i'm not suprised on the outcome.  I can't make comments about the incident but there was a lot more to the story which never came out into the newpapers.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Spy on Friday, February 5, 2010, 13:58:49
Why don't you just say what you've heard?

Was it that the kid who got attacked was really racist?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Arriba on Friday, February 5, 2010, 13:59:57
i dont think they were milking it at all.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Nemo on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:00:54
I don't know anything about the case other than what was printed, but why are they sueing the school and not the perpetrators? Is it just a case of the perpetrators not having any money?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Arriba on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:07:56
if your son was battered with a hammer at school, who would you blame?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: herthab on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:09:12
if your son was battered with a hammer at school, who would you blame?

The person holding the hammer?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Sippo on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:12:09
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His mother Elizabeth, 14-year-old brother Joseph, and stepfather Roger Durnford, of Beranburh Field, Wroughton, were also seeking compensation for the trauma of witnessing his injuries.

Seriously. The whole family don't need to claim do they?!

He would get compo from the CPS/Attackers more than likely. Just wanted more money.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: nevillew on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:13:47
if your son was battered with a hammer at school, who would you blame?

Maxwell ?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Arriba on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:14:06
The person holding the hammer?

i aksed for that.first and formost yes.but then the school, as it happend on their property.
they have a duty of care


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:16:27
School teachers/staff aren't omnipotent though.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Sippo on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:17:38
Duty of care to a certain extent. It happened after school hours. You can't pysically stop people entering the grounds unfortunately via the playgrounds etc. The school did all it could do prevent it, this family just wanted the compensation.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Sippo on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:18:58
School teachers/staff aren't omnipotent though.

Sippo Likes. Good wording there!


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Arriba on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:24:43
it happend just after school i think.to say they're just after money is harsh.considering what some people get compo for,trying to get some when your lads head was smashed in causing brain damage is understandable.a mob of the asian invasion were able to go onto school property and beat the lad to a pulp.that is wrong and the school shpuld have had measures to stop it.if they were not in the wrong, why was a new fence knocked up after the attack?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:27:24
a mob of the asian invasion were able to go onto school property and beat the lad to a pulp.that is wrong and the school shpuld have had measures to stop it.
Such as what?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Arriba on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:30:16
Such as what?

such as having some staff members out and about monitoring pupils leaving at the end of the day.not too much to expect is it?
you can bet they have that now.if they had it at the time they could have challenged the attackers as to why they were on school property


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: JPC82 on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:34:04
i think its pretty common knowledge that the ginger lad wanst exactly just a innocent victim, atho a hammer attack is a tad harsh!


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:35:40
oohh JCP - your back!!!


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: JPC82 on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:36:23
oohh JCP - your back!!!

haha missed me?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:45:15
Yeah, with a high velocity round, sadly.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Sippo on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:53:56
such as having some staff members out and about monitoring pupils leaving at the end of the day.not too much to expect is it?
you can bet they have that now.if they had it at the time they could have challenged the attackers as to why they were on school property

We have that here, but you can't police everyone. Its so manic especially having 1000 or more kids leaving at the same time!


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, February 5, 2010, 14:54:26
if your son was battered with a hammer at school, who would you blame?

the butler


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: leefer on Friday, February 5, 2010, 15:13:36
Come on peeps lets be honest...if this was a group of white youths and they had smashed in the skull of an Asian lad there would have been world war three....the fact is if you get injured in a car insurance pays out...all big organisations(ie schools) should be prepared to take a hit if they fail in there responsibilities...all schools should have community police in presence during the day to deter petty crime also.....its not rocket science,teachers are very keen to remind parents of the responsabilities but it seems there teachings go home to roost when its up to them to show some balls...or fannys  as the case may be.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: nevillew on Friday, February 5, 2010, 15:24:06
such as having some staff members out and about monitoring pupils leaving at the end of the day.not too much to expect is it?
you can bet they have that now.if they had it at the time they could have challenged the attackers as to why they were on school property

I understand what you're saying but if they were intent on handing out a beating would a challenge have stopped them ?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: stfctownenda on Friday, February 5, 2010, 15:25:57
I understand what you're saying but if they were intent on handing out a beating would a challenge have stopped them ?

I would of thought a few people (teachers, even 1 or 2) trying to stop 5 or 6 attack 1 person would of made a difference.  They wouldn't of caused as much damage anyway.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: lothar on Friday, February 5, 2010, 16:13:54
Come on peeps lets be honest...if this was a group of white youths and they had smashed in the skull of an Asian lad there would have been world war three....

Quite right, staggering the lack of attention given to racist attacks against whites. The media would portray that racism is one way traffic, when in actual fact stats confirm that in most instances the perpetrators in such savage cases (like the one mentioned) are committed by ethnic minorities against whites. Multi-culturalism fucking sucks.  >:(


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Miss Angry on Friday, February 5, 2010, 16:16:39
In my experiance a school is very quick to point out "whilst on school property the child is in schools care" but not with this case it seems...

Sippo are you at Isambard?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 5, 2010, 16:26:52
Quite right, staggering the lack of attention given to racist attacks against whites
This case got national coverage, all over press/TV. Hardly a staggering lack of coverage.
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stats confirm that in most instances the perpetrators in such savage cases (like the one mentioned) are committed by ethnic minorities against whites
They don't for the simple reason that there are no such stats
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The most up-to-date figures on hate crimes suggest there was a fall in racial and religiously aggravated incidents between 2007 and 2008. Some police forces calculate local trends for religiously motivated incidents, but there are no national figures for hate crimes against any specific group, such as Jews or Muslims.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8499450.stm

But never let the facts get in the way of peddling a good lie, eh?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Spencer_White on Friday, February 5, 2010, 18:18:28
I guess he hasnt been successful because the Police said that it wasnt a racially motivated attack. Goes against what I saw of it, but there you go.

They should file civil suits against the adults who entered the school and attacked him. They might not get that much out of them, but it would fuck their lives up.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Sippo on Friday, February 5, 2010, 18:36:19
In my experiance a school is very quick to point out "whilst on school property the child is in schools care" but not with this case it seems...

Sippo are you at Isambard?

No. Why do you ask?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Miss Angry on Friday, February 5, 2010, 19:04:43
Dunno what made me think you did?! It my sons first choice school i was being nosey


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Friday, February 5, 2010, 19:10:50
Isambard?

Sounds like a capital city of some M. Eastern country.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Miss Angry on Friday, February 5, 2010, 19:13:26
the school uniform is "Gold" - not to be confused with bumble bee yellow


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: nevillew on Friday, February 5, 2010, 22:03:25
Isambard?

Sounds like a capital city of some M. Eastern country.

That's staggeringly ignorant BR. (or not at all funny if that's what you were trying for)


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Saturday, February 6, 2010, 06:25:19
Ha,

I've just googled it and realise what a dumb twat I was.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: herthab on Saturday, February 6, 2010, 09:17:46
Isambard - Islamabad.

Easy mistake to make. Did Brunel have a brother?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:01:25
i think its pretty common knowledge that the ginger lad wanst exactly just a innocent victim, atho a hammer attack is a tad harsh!

Really?!  How's that?  Do you know Henry Webster personally, or did some bloke tell you this 9th hand in a pub?  If you're going to make statements like that, at least have the balls to back them up with something substantive.

(You may be right, by the way.  But spreading unsubstantiated rumours, and hiding behind an internet user name while you do it, seems pretty poor to me.)


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Dozno9 on Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:16:49
The court statement from the prosecution said in court:

Describing the day of the attack in January last year, James Patrick, prosecuting, said a fight was arranged after Henry had "barged" into a group of boys in a school corridor. Mr Patrick added: "It was to be a fair fight. A one on one - or so Henry thought. But he had not reckoned on the fact it was not to be one on one."

I think if the prosecution states that a fight between the two was arranged then he wasn't an innocent party as the statement above reads, Henry barged into the group. He picked on the wrong person.



Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:30:37
i've heard that the asians were in a gang(self titled asian invasion) at the school and webster stood up to them.he may have barged into them but this was simmering for a while prior to the attack allegedly.apparantly he was taunted by them for being ginger.

that said,whatever reason it was arranged is irrelivant.fights like the one webster thought he was going to have happen every day in schools.
for a mob of asians to drive into the school unchallenged,and do what they did, is a fucking dirgrace.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:42:42
For a mob of Asians? Would it have been OK for a Mob of Caucasians to drive into the school then?


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:46:59
no.
a mob of asians they were though.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:56:21
So basically, two parties spoiling for a school playground fight.  One of the parties pulls out a hammer and smashes it against the skull of the other.  That makes the kid on the receiving end very much an 'innocent victim' in my book.  The attack was completely disproportionate.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Hammer on Saturday, February 6, 2010, 13:04:04
no.
a mob of asians they were though.

 Furthermore, Asians don't normally subscribe to the 'one on one' scenario as Mr Webster found out to his cost.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 6, 2010, 13:07:23
So basically, two parties spoiling for a school playground fight.  One of the parties pulls out a hammer and smashes it against the skull of the other.  That makes the kid on the receiving end very much an 'innocent victim' in my book.  The attack was completely disproportionate.
there were blokes in their twenties involved in this.13 people were convicted.
plenty of articles on what did happen are online.google, henry webster attack.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: herthab on Sunday, February 7, 2010, 09:16:15
Furthermore, Asians don't normally subscribe to the 'one on one' scenario as Mr Webster found out to his cost.

I think you mean scumbag chavvy cunts don't suscribe to the 'one on one' scenario.

There's just as many (If not more) gangs of white scummy twats (As I can personally testify to).
This could have happened if it was a group of white lads against another white lad, just because they were asian it doesn't make it a racially motivated attack.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Dozno9 on Sunday, February 7, 2010, 09:19:35
If Henry was a bloke walking home and was attacked without provacation or knowledge then he would be innocent. Arranging a fight and then turning up to that fight in order to give someone a good kicking is not innocent behaviour. The attack was disproportionate but that does not make him an innocent victim, a victim yes but not innocent.

And Hammer I quite like the irony of your name in this topic.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, February 7, 2010, 11:12:56
This could have happened if it was a group of white lads against another white lad, just because they were asian it doesn't make it a racially motivated attack.

Just because they were Asians doesnt mean it should be swept under the carpet either.

They clearly had a gang mentality, and the police havnt properly investigated what their motivations were.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, February 7, 2010, 11:52:38
Did anyone get that England Defence League leaflet yesterday? It literally cracked me up reading it, unfortunately many will take it seriously.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: leefer on Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:00:15
Did anyone get that England Defence League leaflet yesterday? It literally cracked me up reading it, unfortunately many will take it seriously.

But many more wont.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: iffy on Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:05:23
Did anyone get that England Defence League leaflet yesterday? It literally cracked me up reading it, unfortunately many will take it seriously.

I picked that up. It was hilarious. My first reaction was that if you really believe those things, man up and join the BNP. The EDL is the Diet Coke of racist political parties. Real knuckledraggers handing them out too.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:15:34
But many more wont.

Yes, but many will.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:17:07
I picked that up. It was hilarious. My first reaction was that if you really believe those things, man up and join the BNP. The EDL is the Diet Coke of racist political parties. Real knuckledraggers handing them out too.

It's just football hooligans isn't it? Absolutely pointless organisation, they don't even know what they're supposed to be opposing (other than Muslims in general).


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: herthab on Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:18:47
Just because they were Asians doesnt mean it should be swept under the carpet either.

They clearly had a gang mentality, and the police havnt properly investigated what their motivations were.

I don't think it was swept under the carpet, didn't the perpetrators get prison sentences?

I wasn't saying it was, or wasn't, a racial attack I was merely pointing out to the more bigoted amongst us that attacks like this are all too common and not always carried out by gangs who are asian.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: leefer on Sunday, February 7, 2010, 14:04:20
Yes, but many will.

Not many.


Title: Re: That Hammer attack at Ridgeway school
Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, February 7, 2010, 18:04:46
I don't think it was swept under the carpet, didn't the perpetrators get prison sentences?

I wasn't saying it was, or wasn't, a racial attack I was merely pointing out to the more bigoted amongst us that attacks like this are all too common and not always carried out by gangs who are asian.

Not adult gangs using weapons on kids after school. Playground arguments.

Definately not normal. Definately not common. When and where in the UK has it happened before? 13 of them, one sticking a hammer into his head, should have been fatal to be honest.

If they had been convicted of racially related crimes then they would have got double the sentances and none of them would have got off.

Racially related crimes and football related crimes are quite simmilar in law in that they can use actually quite loose links to bump up the charges. What else apart from racism could have caused a gang of 13 to attack Webster with a hammer? He said it himself.

Swept under the carpet for the sake of racial cohesion in Swindon and the UK.