Thetownend.com

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/8437658.stm


Follow this link and tell me how pissed off it makes you!! It's a fucking disgrace!!!!

not really.i might pop along to watch far right racists fight the brain warped religious nutcases

Disgrace if it happens I suspect the BNP will be out in force if it does >:(

It won't happen, it's almost certainly one nutcase in his bedroom telling the Daily Mail he'll do it to get a bit of publicity. Which worked, spectacularly.

If it does happen, it'll no doubt attract a bunch of far right idiots as well, so perhaps we could just seal off Wootton Basset for the day and nuke it.

Should get the pig heads ready :)

Quite. Because both sets of bigots (Mail and religious fanatics) both play to each others' agendas. They're like some kind of horrible symbiosis

If you dont care about this then you are no friend of mine. This was a symbol of pride for our country.

If they come here they will die here.

I don't think anyone's saying they don't care about it. My reaction on reading about this this morning was the same as I imagine everyone else's - revulsion and anger. But as Nemo says, we're being played here - by a couple of nutjob extremists who want to stir up shit and the Mail who sourced this interview who are more than happy to give them publicity because it furthers their agenda. If this march does go ahead, I'd be more than happy to join any counter demonstration so long as it is organised by local people and/or forces' families not the fucking BNP/EDL or any of the other fascist bandwagon jumpers who are just the other side of the same coin as these al-Muhajiroun scrotes. Throw the fucking lot in a lime pit and chuck grenades in, just leave the quiet dignity of the remembrance of the forces dead and wounded out of it.

+1

No middle ground in this one lefties. Sorry.

What fucking middle ground? I don't want to see Wootton Bassett hijacked and despoiled by either Muslim nutjobs abusing it to make their political points or far right nutjobs abusing it to make theirs. That's not "middle ground", that's saying fuck off to the lot of them. Hopefully though the coppers will for once exercise a modicum of common sense for once and tell the publicity whores of whatever stripe to do one.

Thats just bollocks Spencer.

People are looking to provoke a reaction and people like you play into their hands.

Just let the (probably) few Islamist extremists go to Wootton Bassett - the police can deal with it and they will get minimum publicity.

It will be far more upsetting for the families of the dead to have a load of beered up skin-heads coming tooled up for a scrap.

You calling me far right? Dont think so pal.

If they come to Bassett they can die in Bassett.

The families of the dead soldiers take great comfort from the fact they return to a part of the country that is British, and a part of the country that properly mourns their loss.

Lines are drawn. With us or against us. Deeper than football.

with who?

This is going to get ugly without there being any need for it....

I heard a rumour that most muslims aren't actually British! More alarmingly some of them have different coloured skin. I think that we can all agree that the life of one British person is worth a thousand muslims despite the fact that some people claim that muslims have human DNA.

Good job you werent on Normandy beaches. You'd probably shoot yourself in the head.

No. Not at all. I was suggesting that the spectacle of a counter-demo led or infiltrated by far-right nutjobs would be just as harmful and disrepectful to the ordinary decent families of dead and injured servicemen as would a few Muslim nutjobs looking to stoke up trouble in the first place. If this is a serious proposal, and not just an attempt to seek cheap publicity which the Mail are lapping up because it suits their ends as much as the nutjobs, then the correct way to deal with it in the first instance is to lobby the coppers to say they must not allow any such demonstration in Bassett. If for some insane reason the coppers bottle it, then yes there should and must be a counter demonstration but it must not be led or dominated by the far right. Because nutjobs of any flavour with their own agenda to push, be they Muslims, BNP, EDL, the Daily Mail or whatever the fuck have no place in the dignified remberance of servicemen who have given their limbs and lives in the service of our country.

nah i'd miss.
with who? honest question

Why are you so obsessed with the BNP?

Why do you refer to them immediately when there is a need for a show of national unity?

Pure paranoia.

People in this country who support the killing of British troops.

anyone who does that should be removed from the country.
how my original asking of the question drew the response it did is a bit baffling though

You asked who lines were drawn with, and I told you.

not at the first time of asking you didn't.
you made a ridiculous comment with noting to do with the topic.
maybe that arkells lager has frazzled your brains?

Oh fuck off Spence. Doesn't take a genius to work out the BNP/EDL/one of their other front groups would be all over this like a rash if it actually got anywhere does it? And making political capital out of being the ones who "stood up for our boys" or however they dressed it up. And how many services families would actually feel that that bunch of fucking low-lifes actually represented what their loved ones fought and died for? Not in my name, indeed. If you're really interested in stopping these scrotes making a mockery of the fine, dignified tradition that WB stands for, then read a bit further in the BBC piece and get out your pen, not your sword.

So, let's see - half-dozen Muslim nutjobs issue press release/website statement saying they're thinking of doing something outrageous. Mail prints it cos they love a good Muslim nutjob story, specially if they can run it as "Muslims say" rather than "Known nutjobs say". But in fact, these guys haven't even got to base 1 of organising a demo, ie contacting the coppers who make it pretty fucking clear that their line is pretty much "Over my dead body". But if the nutjobs can stir enough outrage around it, they can very publicly get their march which was never going to happen (unless a dozen saddos with beards shouting in the corner of a small market town counts) banned. Then it becomes a big freedom of speech issue etc etc. Or even better, thanks to the outraged backlash it provokes, the whole thing does become a "freedom of speech" issue, so they end getting a march they never actually intended to hold, and a big fucking scrap to boot. So the Muslim nutjobs get to play "standing up for our side" to their audience of disaffected nutjob Muslim youth, the rightwing nutjobs get to play "standing up for our side" to their audience of disaffected nutjob white youth and everyone else is a loser. Especially the families of servicemen who did NOT give their lives in the name of this kind of shit and deserve better.

Come on Spencer, what with this and the other thread you started, you're startin to sound like a bit of a headcase me old son. Calm down calm down.

Bring it on, battle lines drawn etc etc bloody hell you sound like a fucking goon playing Call of Duty

We should do what the Yanks did  to the students who had the temerity to disagree with the Vietnam War and chose to use their democratic right to protest against it at Kent State University. They sent in the National  Guard who opened fire and killed some of the unpatriotic bastards.

Are there some parallels with the rumoured anti war Wotton Basset demo and some peoples' reaction to it?

No, there is no parallel whatsoever. The Kent State massacre was against a group of peaceful protesters protesting against war whilst these rag-head nut jobs have an agenda which is motivated entirely by religious fervour and a wish to provoke a reaction.

And Spencer, I really do believe that you are away with the fairies "You are with us or against us", what the fuck is all that about.

 :soapy tit wank:

Why are we fighting in Afghanistan?

There shouldn't be islamic marches through wooton basset. In the same way there shouldn't be buddhist marches, catholic marches, mormon marches, sikh marches or scientology marches through wooton basset. It is not and should not be a religious or politically fuelled town, it is a place to respect the dead and be treated as such

Let the extremists march through Bassett; then let them march to Lyneham; then hold a party for them in the back of a C130; then let them continue their extremist march in Afghanistan

I shouldnt be allowed a computer after 15 pints.

:)

Haha, a feeling I am quite familiar with

are we still mates then? :)

You missed the bit about lobbing them all out of the back of a C-130 from 25000 ft, without the obligatory parachute

This

it wont ever happen in reality though anyway.
british muslims(the less brainwashed ones)will be as against it as everyone else.i'm sure they will condemn the plans

In actual fact the Islamic extremists are more right wing than the BNP !

The sort of law they want is more extreme than the situation in Iran. Where a 15 yr old girl raped by her uncle is hung for having sex before marriage.

As far as I'm concerned any extremist is dangerous even if they disguise them selves by wrapping them selves in a flag, a religion, or a political belief.

What's the difference between the real IRA, & Islamic extremists, Hitler or Stalin, (the ultra right or the ultra left). None..........  they are all self interested murdering scum.

It's about time we stopped sending over our troops to support a pointless war.

I'd rather we didn't nuke it to be honest. Thanks all the same!

But i was fucking fumin when i heard this news yesterday. However, like has already been said, i'm pretty sure it won't happen. And well said STFC Dave

Well yes, but that's a separate argument

The great thing about this country is that EVERYONE can have an opinion..past history has shown that the majority tend to have the say on how history turns out...did you know that during WW2 there was an estimated 250,000 fascists in Britain who were not allowed a voice..quite rightly so.
As Pauld says this march wont be allowed to happen the reason being the police wouldnt allow it...the media in this country have alot to answer for in stoking up trouble so they can create a them and us scenario between religions..it sells papers,its been the same through all the conflicts of recent warfare......not being Glib Sie but all wars are pointless to the men and woman in the world who just want to live in peace....i agree the war in Afghanistan is more pointless though...it cant ever be won without wiping the identity of a whole nation of the face of our earth....its so sad that so many Soldiers are dying...and sad also that the poor Afghan men woman and children are being killed and maimed...and they probably havnt a clue why.

Good post that Leefer. Not that i think it will but if it does go ahead i wont be happy though

That is probably much of the reason why they are choosing Wooton Basset, they are looking to push as many buttons as possible.

http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affairs/uk-news/421--coming-soon-wootton-bassett-march

More than just paper talk they have their own website, looks like WACCOE was taken down overnight due to posts made about this. I really feel that this group will have under estimated the sheer amount of anger from the normal man in the street forget the BNP and NF they would be well outnumbered by the sheer revulsion of your average man in the street.

Oh come on, I could make a website, that doesn't make me a large group of people. The website will no doubt get hacked to shit over the next few days anway.

This is all getting stupid now. Why can't the Muslim nutjobs and the BNP sit down over a cold lager and a bacon butty and play rock, paper, scissors.

:D

As long as we continue these wars, we will fuel extremism further.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the march they have planned, other than the location is stupid and as others have said only being planned to fuel the fire further.

I don't disagree with any of that.

I must say, reading up on this Anjem Choudray chap, he sounds like something Sacha Baron Cohen made up to take the piss out of complete nutters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudray)

Its quite clear that British involvement in Afganistan has fuelled Islamic extremism in this country.

But thats not the biggest factor in the rise of islamic extremism. Its the oil money from Saudi Arabia. Islamic extremism will continue to rise as they make more oil profits, before it runs out and the whole of the middle east returns to being penniless, dark ages backwater 50 years after the oil money has run out.

If it wasn't for the war in Afghanistan..... then it would be something else.

All over the world the extremists are fighting 'the infidel' over one thing or another. Literally thousands have died, mostly civilians, in the south of Thailand because they want that part of Thailand to be an islamic state. They even go about deliberately killing monks and school teachers for 'spreading the word of evil', which constitutes just about anything that is not pro-muslim.

The sad thing is that they seem to do next to nothing to police themselves. You may get the ocassional individual or small group having a word but asides from that the rest of them act as though it is not their problem.

All organised religion should be outlawed for the monumental and destructive scam that it is.

amen  ;) to that.
all religion is absolute insanity.
at the moment it is muslims seen as the danger religion.but christians and catholics killed many because of their deluded beliefs in the past.
they're all fucking fruitloops

Doubtful.

The lager's a no no as well.

It's not religion, it's fucking maniacs who twist things to suit their own beliefs. Christianity and Islam are both peaceful, until they're hijacked by physcho's.

If it wasn't religion the nutters would latch on to something else: Animal Rights, Save The Rainforest, etc, etc.

This is typical leftie intransigence.  Not everybody likes bacon,  I'm not turning up unless there's pork sausages on the table.

Well I am a leftie. I take your point about sausages over bacon but if the fire is going to be fuelled as high as it looks then surely its all set for a hog roast and a few tinnies.

I thought it was scientifically impossible not to like bacon. Even weedy pasty faced veggies must smell that cooking and think 'sod it, no-one is looking'.

It is looking unlikely that this march will be banned.


http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/4834424.Banning_Islamic_march_in_Wootton_Bassett_could_backfire_says_senior_/

I am no racist, but the term 'rivers of blood' springs to mind here.

should be a good riot then

wouldnt it be brilliant if 500 of them turned up and about 50,000 in opposition showed

that's what will happen.

I suspect the muzzies will call it off themselves, I imagine it going like this:

Copper bloke: So, you want you and your little friends to do a march surrounded by tens of thousands of very very pissed off people right.

Muzzer: Errr, yeah. Allah Akbar.

Copper bloke: Well we can't really stop you as it is your right in the same way that we can't stop the BNP and EPL from attending either, that OK with you?

Muzzer: Errrr, errrm, yeah. Allah Akbar

Copper bloke: Oh, and I see that your are requesting protection as well. Well it is our job to do so and so of course we will offer protection, however there will be a lot of pissed off people and so we will just have to errrm, do the best we can, OK?

Muzzer: Errrm, uh, uhm. Allah Akbar....... Actually, can we have a chat.

Hahaha, muzzer, brilliant  :D

They bottled their last one in London, and their only opposition that day was secular Muslims.

Id rather they did ban it though. Because all the media attention may make Bassett a terrorist target.

Still it will be bloody usefull if they bring those coffins. Every limb can have its own coffin.

People seem to think they are on there way to Bassett now to do this March even though they have to give 6 days notice

i just got told the same?

some of the anti march groups on facebook, and the posts contained on them are worse than what choudry spouts.

Just as bad, but not worse.

Anyway. The mods one the facebook group reckon that it is just a rumour.

Just been up through the town and there were groups of 'thugs' dotted around the town, seemingly there to 'kick off'....Bless 'em.
This Islam group is gettin exactly what they wanted, and that's attention/publicity....There was never goin to be a march today....Nor do i think there will be one.

It was probably their last chance to have a march today for a long while. The government will probably label them a terrorist organisation early next week, which will disband them.

Exactly this!

Yes the Islam group is getting attention and publicity it wanted but it has lost all credibility as a pressure group because it is unable to actually achieve what it set out to do.

It also has caused a fucking huge amount of animosity towards Islam & Muslims in general from people who normally wouldnt give a shit and has got them no sympathy at all from anyone.

They have shot themselves in the foot if they wanted to gain any public support/sympathy.

Yep indeed. Even the Turkish owners of Oscar's Grill Kebab shop in the town are gettin grief from a select few that were about today, purely because they're not British....This is gettin waaay too outta hand

They didnt have much credibility to begin with. Their best chance of actually getting to Bassett was to do it on the quiet and take a few photo's. If they had announced a date there is no way they would be able to have got anywhere near the place.

People like Anjem Choudary dont want sympathy. He is a former recruiter for Osama Bin Laden, he is an extremist of the highest order, he wants to destabilise social cohesion in the UK.

Spot on Spencer. As I've said all along, he and his grouplet are as bad as the BNP/EDL and struck from the same coin. They only want to inflame tension at the cost of ordinary people of all faiths/races.

Anyway, having succeeded in that aim and publicising his nasty little face everywhere, he's now pulled out. March is cancelled. Not that it was ever likely to happen. Wankers

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8451014.stm

As was discussed earlier in the thread, Islam4UK now banned under terror laws:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8453560.stm

I saw the fuckers on the news last night after they got fines for abusing troops in Luton coming back from Iraq and you just want to smack the cunts in the face. Spouting off about murdering people in our land, well if it is your land fuck off back their and you can spout your vile shyte as much as you like.

Amen to that brother

Itsa good, but they'll just respawn under a different name.
But the benefits system isn't as good. Erm, I mean they are staying to fight the infadel

Perhaps if we bring a law in to stop benefits for men who wear silly hats and dresses and have outrageous bushy beards they might get the message.

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Gordon's Alive ? !

Don't be daft - what would Fred do ????

Each time they reform they have to dumb down what they are saying.

Hopefully the Yanks will want to try Choudary for something, because if they want him then he will be extradited. If you look at Bakri, and Abu Hamza before him, they are slowly knocking their leaders off.

I'm thinking of starting an anti-extremist group

I'm sure there are a few on facebook already