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Title: Replacing Cox
Post by: michael on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:04:09
He hasn't even gone yet but I feel his departure is inevitable.

Most teams, anywhere, struggle when their best player leaves. Ourselves, we only have to look at the loss of Mooney, then Parkin, then Fallon, resulting in relegation.

How will we replace him?


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Arriba on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:07:25
we struggled while cox was here.gulp.....


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: adje on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:09:04
We will unearth another Finney,Thorne,Hay,SSP,Fallon,Cox etc.No worries!


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Rich Pullen on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:10:02
It's probably inevitable but if he amazes us all and stays it'll be that much sweeter - and added pressure to repeat this seasons form!

We always go through potential names and we're rarely correct! As long as it's not a 29 year old joining his tenth club.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:14:05
We always go through potential names and we're rarely correct! As long as it's not a 29 year old joining his tenth club.

Like Tommy Mooney?


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: michael on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:15:13
Mooney would be awesome.

I don't think he's playing much for FC Marbella so could be tempted back possibly.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:16:10
I hear from someone who went to the end of season do last night that Mr Cox is very happy here and wants to stay...


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:17:17
You know what I meant.

I know what Rich means though. Such a player always seems more likely to end up like a Tony Thorpe.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: michael on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:18:10
It will be taken out of his hands Talk Talk.

We've got people interested who will be willing to break our own transfer record for him.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: DV on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:18:54
I hear from someone who went to the end of season do last night that Mr Cox is very happy here and wants to stay...

well he wasnt going to turn around and tell Gary Stanley he cant wait to leave and play with better players...


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Arriba on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:20:39
cox is hardly going to tell fans he cannot wait to leave at their clubs do


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Arriba on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:22:53
er you beat me to it dv.i didn't see your post before making mine.
oops


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:22:59
well he wasnt going to turn around and tell Gary Stanley he cant wait to leave and play with better players...

If I was Cox and wanted to leave/knew I was leaving I would keep my gob shut and smile and nod instead. I don't know if he said that to Gaz or if it was overheard.

Anyway, I thought it was worth repeating. As I have said before, I think it would show real ambition by the club to hang on to him and I hope it happens.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:24:25
I think everybody hopes he'll sign a new contract and hangs about for another season. I think it would be silly to expect it though.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:26:10
I think everybody hopes he'll sign a new contract and hangs about for another season. I think it would be silly to expect it though.

I will go five pints of Guinness by way of a bet on that then Benjamin.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: santasdead on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:26:35
Loads of options if he needs replacing. a season long loan from a proven championship fringe player,a lowere prem reserve/youth (just like cox once was). razak's in the frame is wilson can get him upto scratch in pre season - if he's given a contract.

I don't think any discussion about players we need is relevant until we know who's definately in the squad next season. It will be an interesting summer anyway.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: DV on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:28:24
I think everybody hopes he'll sign a new contract and hangs about for another season. I think it would be silly to expect it though.

what Ben said.



Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:31:44
what Ben said.



What I said. You don't drink Guinness though :P


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: pumbaa on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:42:11
Am I right in thinking he's got another year left on his contract?


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Rich Pullen on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:43:06
Like Tommy Mooney?


Yep, miss a penalty and sod off to Oxford - great :)

(worst conclusion to a STFC career ever?)


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: DV on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:46:25
Am I right in thinking he's got another year left on his contract?

Yes....

Unless he signs a year extension, he will be sold because there will be offers and his value is only going to decrease as we move towards June '10


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: michael on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:48:29
Here is an interesting fact for you: Would you believe that, basic, he is not the highest paid player at the club?

He is very highly incentivised (sp?).


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: pumbaa on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:48:39
Yes....

Unless he signs a year extension, he will be sold because there will be offers and his value is only going to decrease as we move towards June '10

Exactly my thought process. Cash in now rather than risk losing him for nothing in 12 months (assuming he doesn't sign an extension).

I'd much rather he stayed mind, signing an extension in the process. I can dream on......


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: DV on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:52:29
Here is an interesting fact for you: Would you believe that, basic, he is not the highest paid player at the club?

He is very highly incentivised (sp?).

No, I wouldnt believe it

Exactly my thought process. Cash in now rather than risk losing him for nothing in 12 months (assuming he doesn't sign an extension).

I'd much rather he stayed mind, signing an extension in the process. I can dream on......

He's only just turned 22 so wouldnt go for nothing. We'd get compensation for developing him for 2 seasons. Wouldnt be even a 10th of what he is worth.

Parkin signed a year extension and gave us an extra year so Cox might. Of course Parkin wasnt as a good as Cox, didnt get as much media attention as Cox and no one put in bids for Parkin like the bids we will probably/hopefully/definitely get for Cox.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: leefer on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:56:03
Alot of people say Posh baught there way out of the division,maybe true but also they turned down 2million for Mclean....Wolves being the bidders,they didnt sell,for this club to move on weve got to stop selling...ive got a sneaky feeling Cox will stay one more season.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:56:29
The best move of the summer would be to replace Budgie with DV I reckon. I'm beginning to sound like a parrot...


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:58:08
A retarded parrot.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: DV on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:58:14
The difference is Mclean had more than a year left on his contract. He was then and still is now contracted till 2011

If Cox had 2 years left then we'd keep him.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: pumbaa on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:58:43
He's only just turned 22 so wouldnt go for nothing. We'd get compensation for developing him for 2 seasons. Wouldnt be even a 10th of what he is worth.

Parkin signed a year extension and gave us an extra year so Cox might. Of course Parkin wasnt as a good as Cox, didnt get as much media attention as Cox and no one put in bids for Parkin like the bids we will probably/hopefully/definitely get for Cox.

Forgot about the age/compo thing. Point well made. I still say cash in though (at the right price).


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: leefer on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:59:30
The difference is Mclean had more than a year left on his contract. He was then and still is now contracted till 2011

If Cox had 2 years left then we'd keep him.

Not sure about that.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: DV on Monday, May 4, 2009, 19:59:39
The best move of the summer would be to replace Budgie with DV I reckon. I'm beginning to sound like a parrot...

A side from the fact im clearly ace and brilliant I see no reason to replace Budgie.

Adi Williams on the other hand is going anyway, rightly or wrongly


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Rich Pullen on Monday, May 4, 2009, 20:01:42
I wonder who'll come in. Will Byrne take over the reserves so the new guy can become assistant to Wilson or will they make Byrne look after the reserves and remain assistant to cut costs?


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: DV on Monday, May 4, 2009, 20:01:52
Not sure about that.

No, I'm wrong.

He's now contracted till 2012!!

McLean signed a new deal with Peterborough United, running until June 2011, on 5 April 2007.

He has been linked with a move away from London Road after 29 league goals in a season with Wolves offering in excess of £1.5 Million.

On 1 July 2008, McLean handed in a transfer request which Peterborough reluctantly accepted but Peterborough refused to let the player go for any less than £3 million plus add-ons.

He eventually signed a new four-year contract with the club in July


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, May 4, 2009, 20:03:59
A retarded parrot.

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Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: leefer on Monday, May 4, 2009, 20:06:02
Good stuff DV....so the bottom line is we get him ti sign a new contract...


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: DV on Monday, May 4, 2009, 20:12:37
I believe the only way Cox will stay past the summer is if he signs a new contract/contract extension so he never runs into his final year.

As soon as he does there is more power in the players and buying team hands than the selling teams hands.

The example I'm going to use is Rory Fallon. In our relegation season he was playing well and had 14 goals by January and had others interested in him.

Really, at that point we needed to stick with Fallon (even against his wishes) and hope that his goals would have kept us up then we could have sold him in the summer.

Instead because he was into the last season of his contract and wouldnt sign an extension we had no choice other than to sell him. Take 300k now or get nothing at the end of the season.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, May 4, 2009, 20:16:00
The best move of the summer would be to replace Budgie with DV I reckon. I'm beginning to sound like a parrot...

It might seem a mynah point, but are you suggesting replacing Budgie with a parrot?


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: DV on Monday, May 4, 2009, 20:16:50
are you calling me repetitve reg?


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: DV on Monday, May 4, 2009, 20:17:02
are you calling me repetitve reg?


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: michael on Monday, May 4, 2009, 20:17:53
Why not Reg? He'd keep the squad in beak condition...


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, May 4, 2009, 20:18:09
It might seem a mynah point, but are you suggesting replacing Budgie with a parrot?

Nah, I'm just being a cock a too Reg.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 4, 2009, 20:23:12
I believe the only way Cox will stay past the summer is if he signs a new contract/contract extension so he never runs into his final year.

Totally agree, the club has to protect itself. A years extension won't really mean anything in terms of whether he leaves or not (Jan window or end of season). That said, I think there's more chance of me starting up front with Paynter next season than Cox. He'll go.

On the subject of replacing Cox, you can't directly replace him and his goals. Well it isn't impossible, just very very unlikely.

But you can buy players to stem the deluge of last minute goals, idiot goals, etc. You can buy players who will chip in with 5-10 a season from midfield.

Add granite foundations to the team and spread the goals around it and the team without Cox will probably be more successful than with him (and mediocrity elsewhere).

Finding those players on our wage budget and gelling them together is a big ask. Come on Wilson:)


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, May 4, 2009, 20:24:36
It might seem a mynah point, but are you suggesting replacing Budgie with a parrot?

John Parrot?


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: nevillew on Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 07:20:08
It might seem a mynah point, but are you suggesting replacing Budgie with a parrot?

That would fit the bill Reg


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: fatbury on Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 08:04:51
Got to find someone with a proven record .... best bet is someone who has scored loads at non league or League 2 level in terms of being able to afford someone ...

Steve Morison of Stevenage or Andy Bishop of Bury?


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: DV on Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 08:41:31
Cox was none of those things but he turned out alright.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 18:03:17
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/lincoln_city/8034680.stm

11 in 17 in League Two and out of contract. Article doesn't exactly fill you with confidence though.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 18:06:29
Got to find someone with a proven record .... best bet is someone who has scored loads at non league or League 2 level in terms of being able to afford someone ...

Steve Morison of Stevenage or Andy Bishop of Bury?

Morrison has been knocking on the door for too long now, if we're to bring in someone of that age, I'd want them to have some experience and a goal scoring record in the football league


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 18:28:26
Bishop bashes em in....i like him though,suprised some team hasnt took a gamble with him.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: pumbaa on Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 18:44:21
Bishop bashes em in....i like him though,suprised some team hasnt took a gamble with him.

If Bury don't get promoted, might be worth a shot. Same with Grant Holt at Shrewsbury? Although both would cost money I suspect.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: nevillew on Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 18:46:49
Bishop bashes em in....i like him though,suprised some team hasnt took a gamble with him.

Good on the long diagonal runs as well Leefer.


Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 19:02:42
 :eek: The bishop!

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Title: Re: Replacing Cox
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 21:37:55
Bishop bashes em in....i like him though,suprised some team hasnt took a gamble with him.

Very good Leefer, very good  ;)