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Title: Reading player's Post by: Rustle on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 14:50:50 What is it with reading these day's,im not up to speed on this but do they have some kind of academy or something as they seem to be producing some good player's at the moment,or is it they just have a very good youth set up.I know we do ok but we don't produce player's like cox and kanu.
What has changed so much and how can we achieve what they have done. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 14:54:27 they have an academy,and money would be needed to mirror what they do.
Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Rustle on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 14:56:54 Ahh right thank's arriba,it's sickening really when you think back to their elm park day's they were nothing.
Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 14:57:50 Isn't Nicky Hammond in charge of their academy?
Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 15:02:45 I thought he was like managing director or something??
Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 15:03:50 They start young and over a wide area.
This cock: http://www.gesoccerschools.co.uk/ has the gall to target Swindon school children for football courses 'in association with Reading FC'. My lad got a course details and he's 4. Now I realise that it is unlikely they will find many good players this way, but I'm more worried about them pinching our future fans rather than players. Enough of that rant, I think Fred covered it before. -- Basically my opinion is that the facilities and league status of Reading make them a more attractive place to go to when a player is caught in overlapping catchment areas. And with their better finances they can probably a) employ a bigger scouting network to find the talent and b) afford to keep hold of their younger stars where as we have to sell to balance books. And academy status has more 'prestige' than whatever we have, they will be playing the top clubs. In fact I don't think they allow academy sides to play the likes of us. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Rustle on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 15:14:55 This is something we should be looking at doing if we are ever going to progress,I suppose you can't blame them for pinching youngster's in catchment areas,in theory they are doing thing's the right way,they're looking after number one.
I wonder what chance we have in the future of matching them.I hope we don't get left behind,what with them and the slave trader's up turn in fortune's we really are becoming the poor relation's. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 15:22:46 it takes mega bucks to run an academy compared to a centre of excellence like stfc have.they will produce more players though that are capable of playing league football.alot of those that dont cut it at clubs with academys when youth-pro forms are offered will then filter down into clubs that have cofe's like us.parkin,evans,nicho,etc,etc, are examples of this.
stfc will release the majority of homegrown kids at 15-16, and replace them with rejected kids from academys. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Colin Todd on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 15:25:38 seems like a backwards system weighted towards the rich clubs to me. How are kids from COE's supposed to improve if they are not allowed to play accademy teams from the bigger clubs?
Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 15:29:47 This is something we should be looking at doing if we are ever going to progress, We do. My lad goes to a Swindon run football in the community course. Childish, but I sent the Reading form back with no stamp on. Mwhahaha. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 15:32:02 seems like a backwards system weighted towards the rich clubs to me. How are kids from COE's supposed to improve if they are not allowed to play accademy teams from the bigger clubs? they do play academy teams.but not as regularly as other cofe teams who are played 3-4 times a season. it's not just about who they play though,more time is spent training too in academys. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 18:46:02 im sure i remember a few years ago you were not allowed to play academy teams, i may be wrong. Anyway compared to what these teams spend our youth team seems to have held its own over the last few years.
Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: inoffthered on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 18:50:09 Totally agree DRS when it comes to production STFC are not doing to bad,even after selling 2 of their best youngsters.
Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 18:55:01 I wonder what chance we have in the future of matching them.I hope we don't get left behind,what with them and the slave trader's up turn in fortune's we really are becoming the poor relation's. We got left behind years ago..when the FA dished out academy licenses we didn't look to take up the chance...as Arriba says it costs loads. Going back maybe 3 years the Shitheads were spending a mill a season on theirs, about the same time at an AGM I asked Holt how much we spent...the answer 20K. There'd be little point in our applying in all likelihood, as Bristol, Reading and Soton just about covers our area. 20K seems little, but there are shed loads of grants and stuff, for arrangements with local colleges, and also handouts from the Prem PFA etc. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 18:56:54 Would not say we got left behind as such reg as we seem to still be producing a few players but understand your point about the cost etc.
Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Arriba on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 14:04:23 it all depends on how you mean "produce".very few come through the various ages and establish themself in the youth team here.some do though in fairness.
as i said earlier in the thread,most will come from other clubs academys.our u16s have nearly all been released. players have been added from elsewhere to make up next seasons youth team.2 from coventry have off the top of my head. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 15:59:00 My lad plays U7s and at a game a few months back against Highworth U7s, there were two scouts there, one from Swindon, one from Reading. Leaving aside the catchment areas etc, can't help but feel that U7s is just way too young to be scouting kids. I know if everyone else is doing it we have to too, but it just seems clubs generally are hoovering up kids way too young at an age when they should just be playing to enjoy the game
Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: overthehill on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 16:05:04 My lad plays U7s and at a game a few months back against Highworth U7s, there were two scouts there, one from Swindon, one from Reading. Leaving aside the catchment areas etc, can't help but feel that U7s is just way too young to be scouting kids. I know if everyone else is doing it we have to too, but it just seems clubs generally are hoovering up kids way too young at an age when they should just be playing to enjoy the game Totally agree,all the enjoyment can be coached out of them at such an early age. Were there any cubs or girl guides there? Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Arriba on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 16:28:57 My lad plays U7s and at a game a few months back against Highworth U7s, there were two scouts there, one from Swindon, one from Reading. Leaving aside the catchment areas etc, can't help but feel that U7s is just way too young to be scouting kids. I know if everyone else is doing it we have to too, but it just seems clubs generally are hoovering up kids way too young at an age when they should just be playing to enjoy the game if you had a call, and your son was offered a trial would you turn it down? Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 16:40:38 My lad plays U7s and at a game a few months back against Highworth U7s, there were two scouts there, one from Swindon, one from Reading. Leaving aside the catchment areas etc, can't help but feel that U7s is just way too young to be scouting kids. I know if everyone else is doing it we have to too, but it just seems clubs generally are hoovering up kids way too young at an age when they should just be playing to enjoy the game My grandson is currently training with Ferndale for next season's under 7's, they've been together since September. The lads enjoy their hour chasing around on Saturday and cannot wait for some proper matches. There is one lad there who is considerably in front of the others in terms of skill and ability - he has already been watched by a Swindon scout!! He has a problem though, he wants to go to Chelsea!Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 17:03:36 My lad plays U7s and at a game a few months back against Highworth U7s, there were two scouts there, one from Swindon, one from Reading. Leaving aside the catchment areas etc, can't help but feel that U7s is just way too young to be scouting kids. I know if everyone else is doing it we have to too, but it just seems clubs generally are hoovering up kids way too young at an age when they should just be playing to enjoy the game if you had a call, and your son was offered a trial would you turn it down? I wasn't criticising either the club or the parents of lads who do train with pro clubs setups at that age, more the system as a whole. There's three of Joe's team mates who train with STFC and they love it and it's improved their game and they've not come back with any "big I am" attitude (which to be fair I'm not surprised about as they're all nice lads and have good parents who'd stop that anyway), so no harm done, I guess. Just seems a bit young to me is all - let em play and enjoy it at that age, then worry about taking it more seriously when they're a bit older. Meh, maybe I'm old fashioned. Where's that wooden train set and spinning top? Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Arriba on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 17:20:09 clubs get talented kids in as young as possible as it gives them more time to develop them.a child cannot be offered a contract until the u9 age group. they get them in younger for development sessions then pick the better ones out of that group when they get to u9's.that way they can still play with their club teams until that age.kids at professional clubs do miss out on stuff like player of the year awards and team based stuff,but that goes with it.
there are positives and negatives for sure. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Tails on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 18:55:53 My lad plays U7s and at a game a few months back against Highworth U7s, there were two scouts there, one from Swindon, one from Reading. Leaving aside the catchment areas etc, can't help but feel that U7s is just way too young to be scouting kids. I know if everyone else is doing it we have to too, but it just seems clubs generally are hoovering up kids way too young at an age when they should just be playing to enjoy the game Tyron was scouted a very young age as well, and he's not doing too badly for it! Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 20:44:19 My lad plays U7s and at a game a few months back against Highworth U7s, there were two scouts there, one from Swindon, one from Reading. Leaving aside the catchment areas etc, can't help but feel that U7s is just way too young to be scouting kids. I know if everyone else is doing it we have to too, but it just seems clubs generally are hoovering up kids way too young at an age when they should just be playing to enjoy the game if you had a call, and your son was offered a trial would you turn it down? I wasn't criticising either the club or the parents of lads who do train with pro clubs setups at that age, more the system as a whole. There's three of Joe's team mates who train with STFC and they love it and it's improved their game and they've not come back with any "big I am" attitude (which to be fair I'm not surprised about as they're all nice lads and have good parents who'd stop that anyway), so no harm done, I guess. Just seems a bit young to me is all - let em play and enjoy it at that age, then worry about taking it more seriously when they're a bit older. Meh, maybe I'm old fashioned. Where's that wooden train set and spinning top? The Dutch system picks them out young but avoids puttng them into a proper game environment for years. The idea being that basic natural talent is clear at that age, and can be nurtured, whereas all the tactical stuff is very coachable once they are good footballers. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: DV on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 21:32:51 My lad plays U7s and at a game a few months back against Highworth U7s, there were two scouts there, one from Swindon, one from Reading. Leaving aside the catchment areas etc, can't help but feel that U7s is just way too young to be scouting kids. I know if everyone else is doing it we have to too, but it just seems clubs generally are hoovering up kids way too young at an age when they should just be playing to enjoy the game if you had a call, and your son was offered a trial would you turn it down? I wasn't criticising either the club or the parents of lads who do train with pro clubs setups at that age, more the system as a whole. There's three of Joe's team mates who train with STFC and they love it and it's improved their game and they've not come back with any "big I am" attitude (which to be fair I'm not surprised about as they're all nice lads and have good parents who'd stop that anyway), so no harm done, I guess. Just seems a bit young to me is all - let em play and enjoy it at that age, then worry about taking it more seriously when they're a bit older. Meh, maybe I'm old fashioned. Where's that wooden train set and spinning top? The Dutch system picks them out young but avoids puttng them into a proper game environment for years. The idea being that basic natural talent is clear at that age, and can be nurtured, whereas all the tactical stuff is very coachable once they are good footballers. Yep, In Holland up to the age of 15 I think they played 4 a side. One defender, two midfielders and one striker - the players swap positions each week. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: donkey on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 21:44:25 Tyron was scouted a very young age as well, and he's not doing too badly for it! So when's Ty playing at Worldnet then? Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 22:12:26 My lad plays U7s and at a game a few months back against Highworth U7s, there were two scouts there, one from Swindon, one from Reading. Leaving aside the catchment areas etc, can't help but feel that U7s is just way too young to be scouting kids. I know if everyone else is doing it we have to too, but it just seems clubs generally are hoovering up kids way too young at an age when they should just be playing to enjoy the game if you had a call, and your son was offered a trial would you turn it down? I wasn't criticising either the club or the parents of lads who do train with pro clubs setups at that age, more the system as a whole. There's three of Joe's team mates who train with STFC and they love it and it's improved their game and they've not come back with any "big I am" attitude (which to be fair I'm not surprised about as they're all nice lads and have good parents who'd stop that anyway), so no harm done, I guess. Just seems a bit young to me is all - let em play and enjoy it at that age, then worry about taking it more seriously when they're a bit older. Meh, maybe I'm old fashioned. Where's that wooden train set and spinning top? The Dutch system picks them out young but avoids puttng them into a proper game environment for years. The idea being that basic natural talent is clear at that age, and can be nurtured, whereas all the tactical stuff is very coachable once they are good footballers. Yep, In Holland up to the age of 15 I think they played 4 a side. One defender, two midfielders and one striker - the players swap positions each week. I've got nothing to add, I just noticed the multi-quote function is back and I want that first one to get so tiny you can't read it. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: DV on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 22:13:17 My lad plays U7s and at a game a few months back against Highworth U7s, there were two scouts there, one from Swindon, one from Reading. Leaving aside the catchment areas etc, can't help but feel that U7s is just way too young to be scouting kids. I know if everyone else is doing it we have to too, but it just seems clubs generally are hoovering up kids way too young at an age when they should just be playing to enjoy the game if you had a call, and your son was offered a trial would you turn it down? I wasn't criticising either the club or the parents of lads who do train with pro clubs setups at that age, more the system as a whole. There's three of Joe's team mates who train with STFC and they love it and it's improved their game and they've not come back with any "big I am" attitude (which to be fair I'm not surprised about as they're all nice lads and have good parents who'd stop that anyway), so no harm done, I guess. Just seems a bit young to me is all - let em play and enjoy it at that age, then worry about taking it more seriously when they're a bit older. Meh, maybe I'm old fashioned. Where's that wooden train set and spinning top? The Dutch system picks them out young but avoids puttng them into a proper game environment for years. The idea being that basic natural talent is clear at that age, and can be nurtured, whereas all the tactical stuff is very coachable once they are good footballers. Yep, In Holland up to the age of 15 I think they played 4 a side. One defender, two midfielders and one striker - the players swap positions each week. I've got nothing to add, I just noticed the multi-quote function is back and I want that first one to get so tiny you can't read it. sounds like a plan Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 22:13:45 My lad plays U7s and at a game a few months back against Highworth U7s, there were two scouts there, one from Swindon, one from Reading. Leaving aside the catchment areas etc, can't help but feel that U7s is just way too young to be scouting kids. I know if everyone else is doing it we have to too, but it just seems clubs generally are hoovering up kids way too young at an age when they should just be playing to enjoy the game if you had a call, and your son was offered a trial would you turn it down? I wasn't criticising either the club or the parents of lads who do train with pro clubs setups at that age, more the system as a whole. There's three of Joe's team mates who train with STFC and they love it and it's improved their game and they've not come back with any "big I am" attitude (which to be fair I'm not surprised about as they're all nice lads and have good parents who'd stop that anyway), so no harm done, I guess. Just seems a bit young to me is all - let em play and enjoy it at that age, then worry about taking it more seriously when they're a bit older. Meh, maybe I'm old fashioned. Where's that wooden train set and spinning top? The Dutch system picks them out young but avoids puttng them into a proper game environment for years. The idea being that basic natural talent is clear at that age, and can be nurtured, whereas all the tactical stuff is very coachable once they are good footballers. Yep, In Holland up to the age of 15 I think they played 4 a side. One defender, two midfielders and one striker - the players swap positions each week. I've got nothing to add, I just noticed the multi-quote function is back and I want that first one to get so tiny you can't read it. sounds like a plan You're on. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: DV on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 22:15:32 My lad plays U7s and at a game a few months back against Highworth U7s, there were two scouts there, one from Swindon, one from Reading. Leaving aside the catchment areas etc, can't help but feel that U7s is just way too young to be scouting kids. I know if everyone else is doing it we have to too, but it just seems clubs generally are hoovering up kids way too young at an age when they should just be playing to enjoy the game if you had a call, and your son was offered a trial would you turn it down? I wasn't criticising either the club or the parents of lads who do train with pro clubs setups at that age, more the system as a whole. There's three of Joe's team mates who train with STFC and they love it and it's improved their game and they've not come back with any "big I am" attitude (which to be fair I'm not surprised about as they're all nice lads and have good parents who'd stop that anyway), so no harm done, I guess. Just seems a bit young to me is all - let em play and enjoy it at that age, then worry about taking it more seriously when they're a bit older. Meh, maybe I'm old fashioned. Where's that wooden train set and spinning top? The Dutch system picks them out young but avoids puttng them into a proper game environment for years. The idea being that basic natural talent is clear at that age, and can be nurtured, whereas all the tactical stuff is very coachable once they are good footballers. Yep, In Holland up to the age of 15 I think they played 4 a side. One defender, two midfielders and one striker - the players swap positions each week. I've got nothing to add, I just noticed the multi-quote function is back and I want that first one to get so tiny you can't read it. sounds like a plan You're on. I'm sure ben will get annoyed and delete all this at some point Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 22:16:54 My lad plays U7s and at a game a few months back against Highworth U7s, there were two scouts there, one from Swindon, one from Reading. Leaving aside the catchment areas etc, can't help but feel that U7s is just way too young to be scouting kids. I know if everyone else is doing it we have to too, but it just seems clubs generally are hoovering up kids way too young at an age when they should just be playing to enjoy the game if you had a call, and your son was offered a trial would you turn it down? I wasn't criticising either the club or the parents of lads who do train with pro clubs setups at that age, more the system as a whole. There's three of Joe's team mates who train with STFC and they love it and it's improved their game and they've not come back with any "big I am" attitude (which to be fair I'm not surprised about as they're all nice lads and have good parents who'd stop that anyway), so no harm done, I guess. Just seems a bit young to me is all - let em play and enjoy it at that age, then worry about taking it more seriously when they're a bit older. Meh, maybe I'm old fashioned. Where's that wooden train set and spinning top? The Dutch system picks them out young but avoids puttng them into a proper game environment for years. The idea being that basic natural talent is clear at that age, and can be nurtured, whereas all the tactical stuff is very coachable once they are good footballers. Yep, In Holland up to the age of 15 I think they played 4 a side. One defender, two midfielders and one striker - the players swap positions each week. I've got nothing to add, I just noticed the multi-quote function is back and I want that first one to get so tiny you can't read it. sounds like a plan You're on. I'm sure ben will get annoyed and delete all this at some point It's ok, the text is now ridiculously small. Mission accomplished. Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 22:17:09 Multi-quote can fuck right off.
Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: DV on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 22:22:44 if you had a call, and your son was offered a trial would you turn it down? It would depend on the conditions and what he wanted. But I wouldn't automatically say yes by any means. Don't think it's likely to be a dilemma I'm going to have to face in the near future tho tbh. I wasn't criticising either the club or the parents of lads who do train with pro clubs setups at that age, more the system as a whole. There's three of Joe's team mates who train with STFC and they love it and it's improved their game and they've not come back with any "big I am" attitude (which to be fair I'm not surprised about as they're all nice lads and have good parents who'd stop that anyway), so no harm done, I guess. Just seems a bit young to me is all - let em play and enjoy it at that age, then worry about taking it more seriously when they're a bit older. Meh, maybe I'm old fashioned. Where's that wooden train set and spinning top? The Dutch system picks them out young but avoids puttng them into a proper game environment for years. The idea being that basic natural talent is clear at that age, and can be nurtured, whereas all the tactical stuff is very coachable once they are good footballers. Yep, In Holland up to the age of 15 I think they played 4 a side. One defender, two midfielders and one striker - the players swap positions each week. I've got nothing to add, I just noticed the multi-quote function is back and I want that first one to get so tiny you can't read it. sounds like a plan You're on. I'm sure ben will get annoyed and delete all this at some point It's ok, the text is now ridiculously small. Mission accomplished. I can still read it Title: Re: Reading player's Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, March 19, 2009, 23:22:06 The youth development system in England is fucked up. Its unbelievable that clubs can fight over kids under the age of 16 and lure them from other clubs. They're kids, putting them under that kind of pressure (ie which club to go with) is just stupid and is only ever going to cause harm.
I reckon we could do a lot worse than copying the US system - all sport done solely through their school system until they leave high school / university at which point they have to enter the draft pick system. It would take a lot of pressure off the kids and with a "crap clubs pick first" draft system it would help to balance things out for the smaller clubs. The other good thing about the US system is the emphasis it puts on education. So if a kid doesn't make the grade he still has a decent education to fall back on, the same for when a player retires - most have degrees. Most worrying is that from my view point the FA's youth development system / policy is a non-existent crock of shit. Which is unacceptable given the amount of money floating about in the game here. |