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Suprised Steve hasn't posted this already! Dreading this really, I can't see us getting much, even a point won't feel like enough after tuesdays deflated feeling. Plus I don't think we have a very good recent record at Prenton Park. Tranmere win, 2-0.

One of my favourite footballing experiences happened at Prenton Park, brilliant night.  Can't believe it was so long ago.

Think we may get beat today though 2-0.

I'm quite looking forward to this for some strange reason. Probably because I'm still pissed from last night.

we'll beat the scouse bastards! I feel optimistic, although i'm sure that will change come 16:30.

Have we beat any team home and away this season?

No, although Oldham failed to score against us on two occasions.

Sod this! Let's get some positivity going here. Who's up for blind optimism? 2-0 to Town. I'm off to have my eyes gouged out as we speak ...

shit!  :eek:

O vsm#r drr ejsy O#, yu[omh mpe/ 

Quite. I'm not going and I'm also not around to listen to it on the radio, so fuck it, 6-0  town and by the time I find out the real score I'll be half cut and won't care as much.

That's the spirit!

I was going to start on beer, but OK.

We could very easily be 22nd tonight....which will be a psychological blow. Have we the players mentally strong enough to recover from that....judging by Tuesday, not.

That was a golden opportunity to reverse our gradual slump...anything other than a win today, and it's Herthab to Morecambe.

 A TEF day out in Burton might be interesting mind.

Oh come on!! If we lose today we'll probably beat Cheltenham Tuesday.

Yes we have been lacklustre on many occasions this season but that was mostly under Malpas.

If we hadn't had that penalty that should never have been given against us Tuesday we'd be what, 6 unbeaten?

PLUS - the teams below us are mostly shit, aren't they?

We've been lacklustre all season whether under MM DB or DW, mainly because we haven't many good players with a will to win...each of the managers has tinkered in their own way to try and make something from what we've got, but the underlying problems of conceding poor goals at home and an inability to see out games hasn't been resolved.

It wont be so much the consequence of losing today, but the consequence of dropping into the bottom 4, that is going to ask big questions of our players...I just don't see the mental strength to provide the answers.

I'm more inclined to think we'll pick something up today than Tuesday!

Yes they are the worst team in the league, but it doesn't matter how bad Cheltenham are, we always seem to struggle against them.

Theres a lot of truth in what you say. But if you take our last 5 games we definitely haven't been totally crap or mentally weak - we've drawn away to Leicester, Millwall and Oldham which definitely aren't easy places to get results and not bad considering the difference in our league position. We also came from 2 nil behind to win 4 -2. Yes they were down to 9 men but obviously they defended deep and we still had to score those goals (4 in 30mins).

But whilst you're being overly pessimistic imo I agree our main problems have been basically 1. not being good enough at home and 2. conceding late goals.

We can still make the play-offs.

What did I just say? 3 draws in our last 5 games!!!!! WE'RE GOING UP AS FUCKING CHAMPIONS!!!!  :w00t:


 ;)

wrong side of the wirral to be scousers good old song from the people from birkenhead:
 
'dont be mistaken
dont be mislead
we're not fucking scousers
'cause we're from birkenhead.'

and on the game front,we're going to lose because its already starting to be a bad day with my brothers train gettin delayed so we're probably going to turn up at half time ;D..maybe a little bit of exaduration there.

If Swindon beat Tranmere or England beat Ireland in the rugby I will be happy. If both win I will be overjoyed.

Altho with the rugby I would also win financially.

Actually we cant because Brighton and Crewe are playing each other. Dont let the facts interrupt your misery though eh  ;D

Tuesday night was poor, but we could still have won it, and would have got at least a point but for a ridiculous penalty decision.

That is the one thing that has improved recently since Vincents return and the signing of Greer, we look like much more solid at the back which means we can pick up some results even if we dont play well. As long as we can maintain that, we have a platform to pick up enough points.

If we win today, Gordon Brown will win the next general election.

What a thought, Brown that is!!

Surely there were better examples to use: for example if we win today, JFW will run naked around the CG on Tuesday night?

These are desperate times.

Town unchanged: Peter Brezovan, Jack Smith, Jamie Vincent, Michael Timin,Jerel Ifil, Hal Robson-Kanu,Patrick Kanyuka, Kevin Amankwaah, Billy Paynter, Simon Cox, Gordon Greer

Substitutes:

Phil Smith, Anthny McNamee, Lilian Nalis, Jean-Francois Lescinel, Lee Peacock.

Jean-Francois Lescinel hasn't been very good has he? Hope he doesn't come on to be honest.

I've not seen him play yet!

Where's the psychotic French striker?

he's only played 45 minutes!!

Anthony McNamee hasnt been very good has he? Hope he doesn't come on to be honest.

JPM? Easton? Morrison? Macklin?

I suppose we're away from home but we need wins and that teams looks a little too defensive for my liking.

I am pinning my hopes on a Leicester/Milwall display.

1-1

carlisle 1-0 up against Rovers...

hereford 1-0 orient

This thread is fucking banging!

I fucking hate drums in a thread!

sorry.

shut up !

I am still trying to find the rest of my finger

I'll give you the finger if you want! :smugfu:

Hows typing Fred?   ;D

slow and painful

carlisle 1-1 rovers

hereford 2-0 orient

Short posts today then!

yes

Fred?

Yes, short posts; no we haven't scored?

No we haven't scored.

yes ?

If we don't score then there is less chance of letting one in during injury time, assuming the ref isn't bent.

yes he is writing short posts, and likes sing communards songs

Nothing :)

Brighton 0-1 Crewe

DV Slacking on the score update front!  Must be on the shitter!

Lots of teams below us winning which really puts the pressure on.

...or playing FM...

or eating cake..

I'm giving up being fat and lazy for lent

Before I disappear for a cuppa, is anything happening?

Why aren't we winning yet

I was less bored on Tuesday night than I am now!  Now that's saying something!

Go get your cuppa, you are missing fuck all!

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The Mad Dogs will be happy with that so far.

middlebrough 1-0 liverpool

Somebody will have a word with the ref at half time.

A few weeks ago Crewe were as good as down, they're out of the relegation zone at the moment.

same with yeovil.

all the others seem to win 5 then lose 5

we just seem to win 1 lose 1 and draw 8

Sounds encouraging so far.

Orient have got one back

orient pull hereford back to 2-1

Northampton winning :(

Cheltenham 0-1 Northampton

bad news for us...

0-0 HT

Hartlepool losing

good news for us

Did the Tranny commentator just ask for 2 sugars?

Hartlepool 34 - 39
Yeovil 33 - 38
Northampton 32 - 37
Carlisle 33 - 37
Swindon 32 - 34
Crewe 32 - 34
--------------------
Orient 33 - 33
Brighton 32 - 32
Hereford 31 - 30
Cheltenham 32 - 21

Nalis on Kanyuka off

fantastic :|

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm there?    ;)

cunt

yep, 1-0 down already

1-0 fuckityfuck

fuck

Bollox

godammit

What a pity

Table please DV

I'd refer to my esteemed colleagues' fucks and fuckity-fuck and add my own fuckity-fuck-fuck

we're just above water on goal difference with crewe and hereford 2 of the 4 below us and both on top form...reg will be pleased

i wonder if it was a defensive blunder.

Carlisle 33 - 37
Yeovil 33 - 37
Crewe 32 - 34
Swindon 32 - 33
----------------------
Orient 33 - 33
Brighton 32 - 32
Hereford 31 - 30
Cheltenham 32 - 21

I think

Yeovilk 1-0 down

The match live text thing on the official site is down isn't it?  >:(

Are other people getting commentary??

how do we change the game? how do we go on the attack

Peacock and McNamee, yeah fucking right

Cox bought down on the edge of the box....

goodison sent off

Off! If they go down to 9, we might have a chance

Tranny down to 10.

Live league tables:

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/tables/league2.html

???????????????????? its red, Ciao  :bye:

yeah Goodison sent off. Free kick on the edge of the box.

Woo hoo!
Comeback comeback comeback....

What did he get sent off for? I don't have STFC world.

Last man, fouled Cox.

Macca on.

for who

wooo McNamee is on to do fuck all again...

Amankwaah off Macca on.

Basically what John said...

57:29 Sent off Ian Goodison concedes a free kick for a foul on Simon Cox. Ian Goodison receives a red card for professional foul

He set up 3 goals against Scunthorpe you cock.

Did they take the free kick yet?

i thought he set up 3 goals against scunthorpe dv?

But ... if Tranmere want to try the usual double marking thing on Macca whilst down to 10 this could be a brilliant tactical move by DW.

Or not.

so he's had two good games this season, well thats a relief...

oh fuck it, let's cancel his contract and resign from the league.

go and listen to some smiths you miserable cunt.

Or get a jamie oliver knife and cut yourself.

or use the knife and carve reg into your arm

OOOOH HE HAS JUST HIT THE POST

Who? Reg?

who the useless macnamee?

no, Paynter

from a macca cross. hmmmm

Is it the time of the month something?

Overhead kick apparently

Monkey hangers 1-1

67:19
A cross is delivered by Anthony McNamee, Billy Paynter produces a overhead kick right-footed shot from just inside the penalty area and hits the post.


Gareth Edds?

If he really wanted to wear the shirt he'd have overhead kicked that inside the post instead. Pah!

Walsall 2 - 0 Yeovil

STOP TAKING OFF BILLY PAYNTER WHEN WE NEED TO SCORE TWICE!!

74:39
The ball is crossed by Hal Robson-Kanu.

72:38
Simon Cox produces a cross.

71:19
The ball is crossed by Anthony McNamee.


Maybe we should start crossing into the box, rather than to the opposite wing. Just an idea...

come on get a fucking point you cunts

How many has paynter scored last 6 games dv

Brighton 0 - 2 Crewe

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Crewe three up now

The same number as Cox

2

who has scored more than that in our last 6 games, no one...

at least a relegation battle gives us something to play for.we are in one for sure.

we will score in 2 minutes.

We're screwed.

How long left?

about a minute

At least we have consistency. Consistently dissapointing!!

4 mins added on

We're fucked. Were down. Its over man, its over.

hahahahaha brighton losing 4-0 at home. fucking cunts.

Bout time we scored a 90+4 for a change

we pretty much have to win all our games against Carlisle, Northampton, Yeovil, Brighton, Crewe, Orient, Hereford and Cheltenham

If we cant get 18 points from that lot we deserve to go down, they are all as crap as us.

And do you think we will? No chance IMO

4 at the fucking back against ten fucking men? Fucking hell, malpas would be getting absolutley ripped to shreds if he did that.

Yeah we will. We're good enough.

no to mention Paynter SOUNDED like the most likely player to score....

Sweet are we all moaning again now? I did kinda miss it.

We're fucked, down, screwed, etc. Unless we win on Tuesday, then I'll change my mind until we lose again.

1-0 result...

Post of the day :)

Danny out!!

Are we? We'll win two, the players and fans will get too overconfident and billy big bollocks and rest on their laurels and poof, were back in the shit again. Its happened time and time again this season, i see no reason for it to end

We are not good enough, need some emergency loans fast.

Hartlepool 34 - 40
Northampton 32 - 37
Carlisle 33 - 37
Yeovil 33 - 37
Crewe 32 - 34
Swindon 32 - 33
-------------------
Orient 33 - 33
Brighton 32 - 32
Hereford 31 - 30
Cheltenham 32 - 21

that does not making good reading at all. Hereford, Brighton, Orient getting closer. Crewe, Yeovil etc over taking us....Carlisle, Northampton getting further away

brighton arent getting closer, they lost 0-4 so they are -3 goals further away

ok, Brighton are getting further away from us but would still go above us next time they win and we dont....

thats assumption dv, i thought you were a realist not a dreamer?

This may be obvious, but a win against Cheltenham is critical.

I have a bad feeling about our season right now, as DV said, whenever we go on a good run we gain credible draws but not enough pointage,

We've got 9 points from our last 6 games, if we carry that on we'll stay up.

Its not an assumption, we've still got to go to the Withdean and we never ever win there. So we might as well add the 3 points to Brightons total now

He's a negative git.

We also have a game in hand over a lot of them. Tis not all doom and gloon, we are capable of playing well and we can win enough games to stay up.

I dont disagree that we can do. I'm fast losing faith that we will do. Technically were more than good enough to stay up, mentally though we dont deserve to

Bloody hell Wilson is proper pissed off. Extra training for the players next week!!!

I'm hopefully of a change of personel for Tuesday...

Not as pissed off as us and the lads that travelled up I am sure.

I dont give a flying fuck if he is pissed off or not, being pissed of does not get us points.

I am sorry but I completely agree with DV

I really cant see us getting out of the shit

Danny Wilson interview:

He's making total sense, he is annoyed.

He's realistic, teams go down by nearly winning games.

I never said we wouldnt get out of it but its going to the wire. We're not going to go on a run and find ourselves out of it. We're in this till the last whistle on the last day of the season and we've also got to rely on other teams results.

Also, seriously a fucking striker? Is that what we need, is it fuck? Our midfield isnt creative enough and isnt defensive enough.

Cox and Paynter will get goals and the back 5 have looked better the last few games. Its the midfield that needs improving.

Not as annoyed as I am with him for taking a striker of when we are chasing the game against 10 men

Fucking ludicrous

It looks bleak. Very bleak.

only vincent and cox are consistant enough for us.the rest can all fuck off as far as i'm concerned.

Still plenty of points to win - but to be honest... :(

I was expecting a loss today so I don't know why I'm so disappointed, I guess it's that little bit of hope you cling onto for dear life.

how the hell is Kanuyka is getting ahead of Craig Easton.

I get the impression Wilson is in the Paynter works hard but doesn't score enough camp, rather than the 'links well with Cox' camp.

Brez got a bit of criticism on the goal, are we going to do the keeper hokey cokey again?

For me the midfield had always been the problem. Our "creative" players are lightweight, and our solid midfielders are defenders and (un)surprisingly are not that creative.

Somehow the fans, players, everyone need to lift themselves and have a good go at Cheltenham on Tuesday.

And if DV is right and we don't pull away soon I do not fancy the last 2 games of the season.

I think the whole midfield needs pretty much changing, I wouldn't mind seeing McGovern in the middle of the park, lets see if he can create anything.
What on earth has happened to Easton?

I've been saying all season that we wont go down, but now, i'm starting to think I might be wrong.

...because he had a good game a few weeks ago.

So he takes him off and replaces him with ............................................................. Peacock

 :twat: (not you Batch  :D)

Our midfield has been pretty shit for years. That's where the problem lies.

Take that back, I am too.

And yes I am not 100% convinced on Paynter, but I thought it strange on Tuesday he was subbed. I'll reserve judgement today as you can't tell if he was having a stinker from the commentary.

Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen - we are all twats.

Sounded like, yes im aware the radio commentary isnt always accurate that Paynter was most likely to score.

I cant understand being 1-0 down against 10 men in our position and not putting Peacock on with Cox and Paynter.

Surely 3 strikers are better than 2?

We dont seem to create enough and I'd like to see JPM and Easton back in tuesday.

Amankwaah - Easton - Timlin - JPM

...but I expect Robson-Kanu has to start

I didnt see Tuesdays game but if he was subbed then as well then that is the 3rd game on the trot

*groan*

I wasnt there today so cant comment on his performance but I have a feeling its probably written into his contract that he has to start.

On current form our best winger is probably big bloody kev!!!

Until he has to cross. He took the 'copy Kanu' instructions too literally :)

Worse case scenario obviously is Div II next season, but not financial Armageddon.

How many teams in the lower leagues are going to be in a position to sign decent players?  Players that wouldn't go near Div II in previous years are going to be looking for clubs.  This is not going to be Div II as we have known it.  

There is going to be a massive rebuild whether we stay up or go down.  Going down relatively may not be such a disaster with a whole bunch of clubs ready to go into administration, with Darlington being the latest.

I dunno, I thought his crosses were pretty good tuesday night.

It looked to me like if a goal was going to come from anywhere it would come from Big Kev getting behind fatboy and crossing it...

Same sub, Peacock for Paynter (61 mins). Perhaps Wilson doesn't think he can last the full 90.

There was just the one where he sort of blasted it across after getting in behind fatboy. Looked like a really  bad shot than a bad cross. I agree he looked dangerous Tuesday.

Third striker after Paynter:

Peacock (worn out)

Sturrock (not a natural goal scorer)

Ben Joyce (seems to have been forgotten about)

The Psychotic Frenchman (not ready yet, apparently)

Maybe not financially, but I am not so sure many fans would stomach another year in div 4 so soon after the last one.

More importantly it's easy to get stuck in a league, even when you 'should' go up.

It would be absolute crap to go down, obviously, but the landscape is different.  A few points lost from some other teams aside from Cheltenham due to financial irregularities might be helpful.  For next season, it is going to be a buyer's market for, so being in Div II is not going to be quite the same as previous seasons.

If we dont go down this season then we probably will next season.

We'll have a huge turn over in the summer, Cox will be sold - that money will go towards covering our losses.

Due to the credit crunch season ticket sales will be well down and so will the playing budget from this season.

hope I'm wrong but if we do stay up and when Cox goes we need to replace him because without his goals we'd be all but down i expect

Relegation would be a disaster. I don't even want to think about it! If we stay up Wilson will start from scratch so our fate could go either way.

...not even Town vs. Oxford would excite me.

our minted board should be plugging those holes with their money.why buy a club if only to watch it struggle?
treat it as a hobby and throw some money at it.just like fans do

WE've had a reasonable budget this season IMHO. We bought the likes of Casal and pay the wages to a large squad of sub-standard players..

I don't think our board are as minted as people think, not in disposable fluid cash. Just an opinion.

Still, regardless, if they hadn't bought us we'd be toast by now.

Yes it's going to be really tough, it already is for most people.  Yes you are probably absolutely correct, I expect Cox to be gone in the summer merely to balance the books.  

The key is to back Wilson come what may, and exploit the tough economy to get the best possible team together.  The Town have had two major difficulties in recent years, players don't want to join a club that don't play wages on time, and don't want to join a Div. II club unless it is clearly on the up.  With better finances and Wilson in charge, the Town would be a good bet not to be in Div II too long, especially as many Div 1 and Div II teams are going to be in real trouble financially, and the better players will not want to join them.  Irrespective of Div I or Div II, Cox will be gone and a anything less than a rebuild is going to be necessary.    

I still remain optimistic about the future of STFC. A solvent club, decent owners and a reasonable fan base. Most things off the pitch are better than they've been for years. On the pitch we've had a pile of shite managed by an even bigger pile of shite. As much as Wilson got it right against Scunthorpe, he got it wrong against Harleppol but generally I'm more confident with him than Malpas / Byrne. We've got some decent younsters lined up and where the older experienced pros have failed I see no harm in throwing in a wildcard like Macklin.
I think this is going to the wire and its certainly squeky bum time but regardless of division next year, I'm more confient than I've been for years. Yes, we need to remove a load of festering, bottling, no marks but I'm sure we will.
I think in the next 2 or 3 seasons solvency will be a godsend while others fall.

If we can get decent money for Cox then the recession can work to our advantage, alot of clubs will see a massive shortfall in income and will be desperate to off load their big wage players and will be in no position to turn down offers for their better players.

Today, we were not one goal worse than them. they rarely put us under as much pressure as we gave them, although the sending off was clearly the turning point. someone has said we played with 4 at the back against 10 men,this is wrong,smith stayed as far up field as he could, probably to help kanu who was nackerd and should have come off instead of paynter, ot of teh team billy was the one more likely to score,although we shuld have had a few with cox's efforts and runs anyway,and a penalty that wasnt given - oh and i tihnk most people at prenton park have the same view that cox could've carried on to score instead of falling to the floor when there bloke was sent off.

non of our players were outstanding,however kanyuka nd timlin in the middle of the park were dreadful firsthalf,and timlin was just as useless in the second. we had enough chances to score and didnt,our throwins are awful and waste alot of time,mcnamee should start matches and timlin needs to give way for easton. we need to learn to shoot out of the 18 yard box,enough times today we have men in the box for a rebound but no-one would shoot.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :blowup:

have the board done anything to show they know football?
anyone could pay off bills if they had the funds.good businessmen doesn't equal good boards of football clubs.i'm still yet to be convinced by them

Arriba - I can see what yuo're saying but I think in the fullness of time just paying the bills will be seen as fairly inspired as the credit crunch really hits and more and more clubs really find themselves in the shit.

Pook in .. wins
Pook out .. defeats

Simple solution .. Bring Back Pook!!


Seriously tho our midfield is very poor and Danny has done nothing about it .. we need a good loan player in there ...

We need the craig easton of last season in there

Danny Wilson has changed every player in our midfield since taking over you fool Fatbury.

we dont need a loan player in there,we've plenty of options for central midfield,wilson is just reluctant to use them. easton mcgovern pook allen nalis kanyuka can all do the job we need,they just have different effects. its about time the timlin kanyuka partnership is removed, kanyuka's passing is woeful at times,but he wins the ball in the park. timlin is either on/off today he was off, amankwaah on the right wing hasnt been the most useful position for him,id like to see smith and amankwaah switch see what the outcome is. we need to try something new.

I'm with Chalky.  Something's not right at the moment, but I my confidence in the board and the manager remains.

We're shedding points everywhere, even in the games we play well in...and that's very often the hallmark of a side heading for the drop.  I still think we can stay up, but it's going to be very close.  As I think I said before, the prospect of being sent down by Rovers is making me feel unwell.  We need a decent run and sooner rather than later.  If ever there was a 'must win' game, it's the next one.

We should have won at Leicester with this team.

The problem with saying 'easton mcgovern pook allen nalis kanyuka' is they cant all play at once.

The team has been changed and changed since the start of the season. Like there is some magic combination.

They are all average players. The key is hard work and determination.

Fatbury, let it go! If Pook finds a league outfit once he's released this summer - I'd be very suprised. What's going on with Easton?

What a load of shit. That is all.

Spot on Chalkie!

Even though the league is looking depressing, it is down to last Tuesday nights result rather than todays. We would never expect to get much from Tranmere away normally, so I don't think the level of depression on here is justified today tbh.  Lose again on Tuesday and I expect to see people swinging from trees by the time I get home, but the reaction to a loss away to Tranmere is a bit over the top in my opinion.

Yes I know we are in the shit but lets at least get today result into perspective. 

Didn't go today so can't and won't comment on the game. Result wise it's hardly a surprise. Tranny are going well and unbeaten in 11 now at home. It's games like Tuesday night we have to worry about. That's a massive game.

Now that I've eaten and had a moment to reflect on the performance, overall we created enough chances to win. We got undone by one sloppy shot that should've been saved - the only shot on target that Tranmere had I believe.

The back four weren't troubled too much and actually looked pretty good. The problems were further up the pitch.

Robson-Kanu just seems to be playing for himself. He's all skill and flair but no end product. It looked like he'd been told to not shoot (which is good) but his passing and crossing was woeful. Everything was either under or over hit.

Centre mid looked weak. Timlin wasn't as good as he has been in previous games and Kanyuka was missing in the first half. Don't remember him taking a knock so don't know if the sub for Nalis was tactical. He was crap when he came on, too slow and couldn't pass.

Amankwaah was steady if unspectacular and Macca didn't really do much when he came on. Paynter was having a very good game, got two or three good shots away and didn't understand why he got subbed. He definitely looked most likely to score out of anyone.

Cox has turned into a petulant little wanker again. Dived a couple of times and one of them he really should've been booked for. I think he dived when their defender got sent off, but I don't think he needed to go down. He could've easily taken another few paces and then scored. I think he thought he was in the box and would therefore get their bloke sent off and more than likely score.

Peacock really is a bit of a carthorse. He did fuck all and got booked for an obvious dive when he could easily have collected the ball and crossed it.

The best moments of the day were in the car. First off some BMW pulls up alongside us doing about 80mph and the bloke starts waving at Steve telling him to slow down.  We're all thinking "What the fuck?" and Steve's about to flip him the finger when this car flicks the blues and twos on - it was a copper. Luckily he just made us slow down and then carried on. A shortwhile later we saw him in the hard shoulder having pulled someone over - they'd obviously flipped him the bird :)

And on the way back we flashed (no not like that, with the headlights) THE FLASH all the way down the M6 and M5.

This is a post from a regular Tranmere fan on another forum.

Gutsy win by us against a Swindon side that look like they're going in the right direction under the new boss. They were lively, good on the break and bossed the first half and how Cox didn't score and hit Chorley's arse from three yards is beyond me.

Second half we wrestled control for the first twenty or so minutes and scored a very good goal. Then Cox broke clear and Goodison tackled him, seemed to get a bit of the ball but took Cox down as well and it was a sending off. Swindon were bright but didn't really threaten our ten men apart from an overhead kick which struck the post and landed in Achto's hands.

We did well to win it. Swindon will climb the table if they keep that up though

Maybe a bit of perspective from a non Swindon town fan!

Well well well where to start.

As Samdy said, the copper on the way to the match was funny as fuck with his wanky hand motion! ACE!

The game itself was pretty dire. We had 3 or 4 clear cut chances but just failed to have a finishing product.

Robson-Kanu was a waste of space, absolute rubbish. Never thought I would said it but bring back JP. Atleast he seems to care. Had a go at Brezovan once for kicking the ball to him, Robnsn-Kanu wasn't even watching the game. To Robson-Kanu's credit he didnt try to score once so DW must have said, "try to shoot again, ill cut your feet off"

Cox was doing his best impression of Christiano Ronaldo quite a bit and DW's taking Billy Paynter off for Lee Peacock had me bemused. Peacock as great a bloke he is, offers NOTHING to the side now, his silly diving at the end and getting carded wasted our final chance of the game. Paynter did nothing to come off.

It seems to me as if no one really gives a shit apart from our back 4 and Simon Cox, The rest lack passion and desire. No bottle for the battle you could say. I hope most of them fuck off in the Summer. So yes I am questioning their lack of commitment.

I hope Danny Wilson gets rid of most of these "players", Most of them are not fit to wear the shirt and as harsh as that may sound,. to me it's fact. WHERE IS THE PASSION? DESIRE? I suppose most of who is playing have contracts for next season. People like Pook & Sturrock are no where near the first team now and Easton doesn't get a look.

It's time for the men to be seperated from the boys. Something has to change soon. Our midfield is completely useless for the most part.

Cheltenham is absolutely massive for us now.

well done you lads who travelled. That is a hard one to get up for Tranmere. I went up on bank holliday monday once in a transit van. Sat in the pitch black for 6 hours on the way home, no one was drinking on the way home because it was monday. Took 6 hours to get back. Still regret that I didnt just get pissed.

With the greatest respect, DW has to realise that Lee Peacock is not the player he was. Lets have him as a coach in the summer, because if Wilson doesnt want him as a midfielder then he is finnished.

I agree 100% about Robson Kanu. But McGovern has to work his way back in to the team. He isnt injured and he hasnt been playing for the reserves. His problem is attitude and workrate.

Just hope fans back the team. But if someone isnt putting in the effort let them know.

In 100 years of league football we have been 4th tier just 5 seasons. If we get relegated you players are in the bottom 5% of the worst teams weve ever had. You (the players) are responsible for our clubs future. Are you men or not? Can you handle it?

And dont give me any bollocks about the standard of the league being improved because it was a lot better 13 years ago when we won it with a record points total.

Mcgovern has a ankle injury now

Can't be fucked to read the whole thread but here's what I think;

We've been shit at the back nearly all season but we knew how to score goals. Even cunting Malpas had us scoring FFS! Now we've stopped shipping goals at the back but we cant fucking score anymore.

The problems at the back were a lack of confidence with both our keepers, Ifil was off his game, Vincent was absent and Aljofshit was playing the big-shot. Now that's all sorted, we've been as tight as a goat.

The midfield changes have helped stop us shipping goals but have stifled creativity.

Paynter isn't going to get 20 goals a season. Nor is Peacock.

Willow needs to bring back Easton - at least at home - and possibly JPM as well. It's no coincidence that the goals have dried up since the changes in the middle took place.

He also needs an out and out striker. A big fucker who puts himself about and will launch himself at every fucking crossed ball and half chance. That was out of the question when Malpas was here coz the dim cunt knew no one in the english game who'd help him out with a decent loan.

Willow, on the other hand, clearly has contacts and the board or the RAF fund will presumably back him. I hope the fuckers on the phone to Fergie or Arsene as we speak. Roll on Tuesday.

we're still conceeding goals as we are losing games delta.we were 2 down last saturday against 11 and have lost 2 games this week.we're shit all over the park

Willow?

maybe willow who was also an ewok, could get his mate out of star wars chewbacca in as a big lump forward to connect with crosses and long balls.

Easton has been consistenyl shit all season and is nowhere like the player he was last season. The simple truth is that whatever combination of players we've put in the midfiled have been shit. There's been a couple of purple patches most notably with Pook / Peacock but it didn't last long. I remember tooling myself off that they could be the combo but not for long.
Easton is not the answer any more than Pook is.

I've seen Kanu 3 times now and how anyone thinks he's a better option than McNamee,home or away,is completely beyond me.

if he doesn't play though how will we know?he was our best midfielder last year.all the others are getting chances.easton can score and deserves a chance to re-find his form.

One thing that is clear to me is that its not just a managment issue anymore. Dont get me wrong i did not expect anything today but the truth is that we do not have players good enough for anything more than a bottom half finish malpas,byrne and wilson have found this out but good away points have conned a few into thinking we are better than we are. Ffs if we are relying on peacock to change the game we are fucked.

Keep up, Trigger.

i agree drs to a point.but it is now blatantly obvious how good sturrock and his coaches were at polishing turds

Spot on!  It's a godsend that we have 16 out of contract at the end of the season.  A mass clear out is needed.  The club has cleared out and started again with new owners, now it's time that the same happens with the playing staff.

Well i had the curry and lager and i am now sat with the Laptop on my lap with a glass of ten year tawny on the coffee table. :crazyeyes:

Reached the ground just gone 1pm....
Enjoyed the Mersey Clipper and i am happy to report that we took £14 out the 'Who wants to be a Millionare' on a £2 stake.........two month gestation period for a Kangaroo......get in.
£2-99 for a steak pie and chippers (which was good as well).
2-50 ish....over the road to the away end....great view ala Millwall and for £14-50....everything was going well.
The match....another matter.
Tranmere pissed all over us for the first 15-20 minutes and then we got into the game and started to make a fist of it.....Bas Savage got injured and i enjoyed asking him for a Moonwalk when he limped by me..that was it as far as the first half panned out...poor.
Second half was more eventful.
Tranmere scored after some sloppy defending and that was that.....they never really threatened again.
The key moment was the sending off........there was no need as Cox could of stayed on his feet and scored..the ref had little choice after he gave the foul, Cox was 'knocked' but not enough to send him sprawling.
The free kick summed up our display for the rest of the match....showed promise but failed to deliver.
We have now got Brez playing in reasonable form in the sticks.
The defence look better altough Ifil looked dodgy at times (somebody please tell him he cannot make 40 yard cross field passes please).
Looked lively up front with Billy playing well and holding the ball up well, Cox as ever was a threat and his pace and touch was alling problems.
Peacks for Paynter was a baffling mistake.....Paynter unlucky as his shot some how didnt go in.
Peaks huffed and puffed when he came on and won some good headers but ruined it all right at the death with the stupid dive (even if his shirt was tugged slightly).
Midfield...where do i start.....fucking shite.
Kanyuka poor....went missing first half and replaced by 'wading through treacle' pace Nalis who tried but his legs and feet dont do what his brain tells them....a waste.
Amankwaah....played well and Tranmere didnt like him...he won headers and his short burst of pace did cause problems, replaced (wrongly IMO) by our 'luxtury' player Macnamee who ran up his own ass again.............at this level of football...beat the player and cross...thankyou. The wrong type of player for a scrap!!
Robson Kayak Canoooooo, Played ok but at one point he played a poor cross and his head went down and never came up again could of been replaced by Peacks and left Paynter on IMO.
Timlin - playing on his heels rather than his toes....getting a bit tired of his brilliant pass, two shit giveaways form.
IMO when they went to ten - Nalis and Timlin should of been screaming for the ball and controlling the play....it just didnt happen...we lost patience gave the ball away and lost the game.
In short our midfield are reactive and not proactive.

Finished my day by having another row with a steward...luckily my mate Chilly dug me in the ribs enough for me to back down and get out!

Followed all the way down the M6 and M5 by someone flashing me....

Big Cull in the Summer. :guns:

In the meantime..........fail to beat Cheltnumb on Tuesday and we are royally fucked!!!   Game Over!   :bye:



PS - The referee was outstanding........didnt get alot wrong. :D

Flash summed it up quite well,cant disagree with anything, although mcnamees crosses are the best we had out there today, it was in my oppinion the only way i could see us getting a goal,because we were looking to cross all the time but the crosses were not there most of the time,the only ones which gave some hope were off mcnamee, but i can see why people dislike his style of play.

the ref did his job at the end of the day but im still undecided wether we should have had a pen - he booked who he had to.

Macs not a bad player but not for the scrap we are in...IMO

My biggest plus today was it only cost me a fiver to get in :) Fair play Tranny!

Shame about the match.

Turds he brought in and then left us with. Presumably then, given his current struggles at Plymouth, when he doesn't have turds he's knackered

Thanks for that, cunt.

I know what you meant.


 :D

Sturrock bought in players who could play his system the problem is they could only play his system and thats left us with players who cant adapt to new systems.

Didn't bother posting when I got back last night because:

A- I was knackered.
B- My sense of perspective would've been clouded by the fact that I'd driven 500+ miles to watch a gutless team stroll around the pitch for 90 minutes, trying to play the ball into the net when what was needed was a bit of fucking urgency and bite.

Robson Kan't. Simple as that. He's got ability but he lacks any interest. He's not playing for us and gives the impression he doesn't give a fuck.

Peacock - Why? BP was a real threat yesterday, but was subbed for the goal machine that is Lee Peacock when we were chasing the game. Baffling.

Back four, for me, didn't look as composed as they have in recent weeks. Greer is quality and performed well, but the other three..... Ifil was shakey and Vincent/Smith allowed the opposition to run at them, without putting in a tackle, too many times.

Timlin and Kanuyka were pretty anonymous, can't remember much they did wrong, can't remember anyting they did tbh.

Amankwah looked ok, was nowhere near the worst on the pitch. Macca came on and looked threatening for all of 10 minutes.

Cox- Hardest working player by a mile, but became frustrated and started his antics. From where I was, the sending off looked very harsh.

Brez- Doesn't look anywhere near the player he was a couple of seasons ago. Doesn't fill me with confidence.

All in all we could have won. We had some good chances and Tranmere were there for the taking.

The difference was their team played as a team, played with a bit of bite, played with determination.

Our team didn't. I wasn't really expecting a result up there, but I was expecting a performance that would give me confidence for Tuesday.

Morning steven. How do

Morning Dean.

Pissed off, skint, knackered.

Apart from that, I'm ok. How are you?

Pissed off knackered and skint also. You thought anymore about selling heroin

I think there's a gap in the market down here

Unfortunately the fact that most of our players know they'll most likely be on their way works against us....they're now mostly serving notice, and going through the motions.

In fact, for some a drop down a league and a subsequent budget cut might be the best hope they have of a new contract...as there will be no agents fees etc.

Of course we're not alone in this, and the Numb should have some demotivated players on Tues

Agree partly reg but realistically only 3 or 4 regulars are out of contract and they are the 1s who have a chance of a new contract. The problem is the fringe players who have no incentive to push the 1st team which shows when we have a poor bench.

 This is how all the last minute goals have really hurt us...the players probably feel they should be 10 points better off, and could cruise to safe lower mid-table finish, while planning their hols.

 The extra effort of a relegation scrap just looks beyond them..

True most seem to not even give a shit.

What's happened to Razak? Has Wilson decided he's a bit shit now, or is he injured? He's got to be a better option up front than Peacks.

Paynter does seem to get knackered and I think this is why he subs him. Don't know about Tranmere because I wasn't there, but it sounds like he could have played on regardless.

I think everything has been said that can be about yesterdays performance, it felt half-hearted. We had the opportunity to kick them when they were down and we didn't, they were average even with that lump up front for them.

On the Paynter front, I thought he played well yesterday and was unfortunate to be taken off. How his overhead kick didn't go in is beyond me, he looked gutted when he turned to see the keeper had saved it.
I agree about Cox going down easy for the sending off, it did look like he should have stayed on his feet and tuck it away. Its been said in another thread but he needs to play football rather than get into threatening positions and look for a foul - he has the ability (and he knows it), so its frustrating to see it.

Personally, I think Timlin was shocking yesterday - mislaid passes, not close enough to their centre mids and I thought he was a bit lethargic generally. Kanyuka offered little again, when Nalis came on along with Timlin their Centre mids got too much space and scored. When they were down to 10 Timlin and Nalis seemed to sit in the same hole and were very reluctant to get shots away - again more frustrating. On the other hand if they had shot and put it over we would have slated them for not using width.

I could go on more but its been said before. We had the opporunity to take 3 points, if not 1. Optimistically I'd like to call yesterday a little bad luck, but a season of disappointment cannot be reasoned by luck. The players need to question their commitment, knuckle down and fight - we've been saying this too often but they could do themselves a massive favour by putting a performance in on Tuesday.

Keep the faith

So it's a question of who can play, who wants to play, who can't play and who doesn't want to play.

The third choice striker is a headache, Sturrock, Joyce, Razak if not Peacock?

Hartlepool appears to be have viewed as a hiccup, Tranmere and Hartlepool together not a hiccup.  Given Sturrock's good games against Cheltenham, I would be tempted to either give him the first half so that Paynter is around for the last twenty minutes when he is usually most needed.  In fact, playing Sturrock to wear out the opposing back four in the first forty-five may not be a bad idea in most games, with Paynter to play the entire second half.  Stuurrock would be in the "wants to play" category".

Also for midfield, maybe a similar approach, play a "wants to play" even if not the first choice.

On the basis that you want to start Blair Sturrock i now declare you fucking nuts

Very good post...

Its time to put in some battlers and 110%ers.....I would like to see Razak come on, much better option than Macnammmmmeeeee to meeee.

You will be able to smell the tension on Tuesday night.

Heres a novel idea....if we are a goal down and chasing the game dont take Paynter off and play 3 strikers?

Heres a novel idea let the manager do his job without moaning like fuck. Paynter blows out of his ass like fuck after half an hour. With both up front with cox it would lead to hoofball and paynter and peacock are both shit in the air.

Ingenious

Lets not forget that goal difference could be key still.

Also, if we win on Tuesday, we'll one point behind Carlisle and Yeovil, with three of the bottom four still to play....I know it sounds stupid but lets just hope and pray and try and be positive going into Tuesday

Okay, how many games have we put away before half time this season?  We have a main striker, Paynter, who apparently can only play for an hour for whatever reason. We lose games late when we can't hold the ball up with Paynter off (e.g. Hartlepool), then the logical conclusion is that we have Paynter on at the end of the game, either to hold on to what we got or to chase the game.  Per Sturrock Senior (and Cloughie) you need the ball at the fucking other end as much as possible especially late on.  So when Paynter goes off with twenty minutes to go, we can't hold the ball up and we are totally fucked.

Sturrock was suggested because he has played well against Cheltenham in the past and Cheltenham have really only got effort and will to win. If our players don't dig in and work we will lose, and probably will.  We need some grafters out there because we have been consistently beaten by shit teams all season, who have only had graft and "Route 1" to offer.


If you don't like Sturrock who actually puts effort in (he's in "the want to play" category), then how about Joyce or Razak?

I might be nuts, but if you can only apparently play Paynter for an hour, and with Peacock to old and slow to be effective (except against nine), you'd better come up with some alternatives.  If you can't get a striker of Paynter's quality on emergency loan, what do you do?  Do you do the same thing as the last two games, or do try and be creative.  Wilson seems to think that we have Cox, Paynter, and Peacock as our three sole strikers.  Paynter lasts for an hour, Peacock is ineffective.  We apparently have 1-2/3 effective fucking strikers, so what the fuck do you suggest?

Cox and Paynter for as long as possible  then batter the cunts with Razak....

for me, playing 3 upfront when chasing a game is a gamble worth taking.if you are losing you have bugger all to lose by doing so.paynter and peacock are probably the best two headers of the ball we have.
sturrock is another option as he runs the channels better then any other town player.

as i wasn't there i dont know what happend yesterday.but in the closing 15 mins or so did we go 3 at the back?or maybe go 3 in midfield with an extra body upfront?
all obvious moves, but worth trying imo.

3 at the back,jack smith was as far up the pitch as he could go without putting kanu too much off his game. greer and ifil did their best to get up as well, with greer the only one of our players to have a shot from outside the box. vincent occasionally got forward to help out,it wasnt like we were defending the game,we were taking the game too them,with paynter on though it would have been more effective.

Putting the extra body up front used to be the way to do it.  King used to be comical in his approach, the extra body usually had the scoring potential of the guy selling the Puky pies in the stand.

Before the January deadline, a striker was talked about.  So if we can't get one on emergency loan (who wants to loan out a decent striker?), then we have to do something with what we have got.  I would like to see Sturrock (injured?), Razak or Joyce in addition to Peacock on the bench as well as Easton if not starting.  that's assuming that the hour's worth of Paynter has to be used up first, rather than last.  Easton has the ability to run in the box and score.  It can't be as simple as that, though, there must be something else going on.

Alternatively, play 4:5:1 for the first half hour, then send on Paynter with his meter running.

i think the forwards are the least of our troubles(that doesn't mean they are doing well currently mind).them and the keeper are ok.the defence and more importantly the midfield are much more worrying.
i find it more than a little worrying that kanyuka and amankwaa are having a run in the team.for me neither are good enough for stfc.easton,jpm,peacock,nalis and pook would get in before them if it was my call.

Last two games, no goals.  We gave a stupid goal away yesterday, and had an allegedly stupid or bent ref on Tues.  We are more solid defensively, but not creative offensively.  That means, better strikers or more strikers or a trade-off for a presumably a more creative, but less defensive, midfield.  Ed Hadwin, on Saturday, mentioned that we had too many similar midfield players available.  If we don't create much, we obviously have to take the chances.  Wilson was pissed off because he had done everything right with team selection and tactics in his mind to have won the game.  He was really pissed about what led up to the goal and Brez being beaten on the near post, but not in the top corner near post, implying perhaps it should have been saved.

Wilson needs to find out who's willing to risk their bollocks against Cheltenham on Tuesday, and then select the team from there.  The much maligned Pook and Sturrock are probably prepared to risk their bollocks.

I think people are forgetting that when Raszak came on at Oldham he was embarrassingly bad

Shhh, Hertha had stated he could become a cult figure at Swindon and I was hoping that was going to be the case :)

Trevor Benjamin scored against us, so Razak must have potential.

This is Divvy 1......you either need to be good (Cox)....or big, awkward and give 120% to be a success.

I am sure that a knackered Tranmere defence would of winced at Razak crashing into them for the last 15 minutes on Saturday.