Title: Prince Harry Post by: dell boy on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:14:53 Granny will be proud of you!!!
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/123700/Watch-Prince-Harrys-racist-outbursts-on-video.html Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: adje on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:24:36 Grandad will!
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Mexicano Rojo on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:26:03 damn damn damn, thought i had hit jackpot in the death list
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Ironside on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:44:35 Hardly a "racist" outburst though is it?
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: sheepshagger on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:51:36 Have to say I agree with you Ironside - load of bollocks about nothing...
All a load of squaddie talk - as always the rag that is the News of the World gone WELL over the top to try and cause a problem...... Great journalism as ever ! Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: axs on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:12:27 And it was three years ago.
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: oxford_fan on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:21:05 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7822574.stm
i'd say its pretty racist. "paki" and "*racial hatred*" are not words he should be using. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Samdy Gray on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:25:24 '*racial hatred*' is a very widely used term in the British armed forces. It's a bit off to single just him out, but he's Royalty and this is the NOTW we're talking about.
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: billy the fish on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:40:44 he's Royalty [/quote]
not by charles Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: leefer on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:46:22 To me it sums up what our forces are all about,old traditions,old language,bullying,old equipment and as usual old men calling the shots in there safe worlds...abit like WW1 a hundred years on...Harry is saying words that are commonly used in our forces,is it racist?....its an individual decision,i wouldnt want any of my family joining our forces in todays climate.
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: oxford_fan on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:48:55 if its widely used in the army, perhaps the whole army (and royal family) is institutionalised and racist. I dont think its off to single him out, like you say Samdy he’s royalty and i would have thought with 25 years practice he would be used to being constantly singled out and learn to watch his mouth a bit more.
To excuse it as “squaddie talk”, as sheepshagger did, only serves to highlight the widespread prejudice within the army, and doesn’t make what he said any less offensive or somehow acceptable or excusable. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: herthab on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:52:24 It's the Army for fucks sake, not a meeting of the Young Liberals!
A bit of un PC language from blokes that are prepared to put their lives at risk so the right-on brigade can remain safe and cosy to carry on spouting their usual crap. Big deal. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: sheepshagger on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:55:19 what a load of bollocks !
Between friends it is no worse than calling your mate ginger, Paddy or Taff ! Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: herthab on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 12:58:05 It always amazes me how intolerent the people who preach tolerence actually are.
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: ron dodgers on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 13:03:02 been racist term for years = end of, although I not sure about using afghani? Anyone got a list?
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: oxford_fan on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 13:16:56 It's the Army for fucks sake, not a meeting of the Young Liberals! A bit of un PC language from blokes that are prepared to put their lives at risk. reads like a list of wimpy excuses to me: its acceptable because its the army! its not racist its un pc! its fine because they are risking their lives! when you start making excuses you are also admitting to the problem. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: herthab on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 13:25:01 reads like a list of wimpy excuses to me: its acceptable because its the army! its not racist its un pc! its fine because they are risking their lives! when you start making excuses you are also admitting to the problem. I'm not making excuses, because I don't see the problem. Behaviour and language is quite often modified depending on who you are with. What's the big deal? When I was in the Army we had blokes who were nicknamed: Scouse, Paddy, Taff, Ali and Chalky. They didn't find it offensive, nor was it intended as derogaratory or racist. Some people need to lighten up ffs. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 13:27:13 I have to agree Steve.....nicknames done in the right context are definate terms of endearment, I personally think its a fucking huge mountain made out of a tiny molehill....the anti royal NOTW strikes again for the sake of publicity and selling papers.
Pah. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: leefer on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 13:43:31 Would you be saying the same if say Bush had used those words...of course these words are used the world over,but when your royalty,or a president you have certain responsabilities.....for instance if the Swindon FC captain was playing an Asian team in a friendly you wouldnt want or expect him to use the term Paki or *racial hatred* in his team talk and if he did i could guarantee he wouldnt be captain for long....because certain lobs i.e maybe the future king of England comes with certain responsabilities....you cant compare you saying it Herthab or jjedmunds to someone like Prince Harry.
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: herthab on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 13:47:57 Would you be saying the same if say Bush had used those words...of course these words are used the world over,but when your royalty,or a president you have certain responsabilities.....for instance if the Swindon FC captain was playing an Asian team in a friendly you wouldnt want or expect him to use the term Paki or *racial hatred* in his team talk and if he did i could guarantee he wouldnt be captain for long....because certain lobs i.e maybe the future king of England comes with certain responsabilities....you cant compare you saying it Herthab or jjedmunds to someone like Prince Harry. I'd agree Leefer, if he said it at a Royal Function, or a Press Conference. But he didn't, he said the remarks with people he thought were friends and colleagues. Would he have made those remarks if he knew some back stabbing bastard was going to flog the videos to a third rate rag? I feel sorry for him, he can't trust anyone now. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: leefer on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 14:05:26 I agree....like you say The french hate it when you call them Frogs but its mainly said in a friendly way....but my way of thinking is that with certain factions looking for any excuse to blow us to kingdom come people in high places arnt usually the people who get blown up its innocent people on buses going to work.....because believe me this video is probably already on route to some training camp in Pakistan to be used as a nice motivater for people looking for any excuse to Bomb us.I dont really feel sorry for him though its obvous from the video hes being prompted to be all Armyish(good word) and being three years ago he was very young.And lets not forget sinse then hes been to Afghanistan and other countrys doing hard work with the kids and such.
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Ironside on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 14:16:33 I get called "Brit" by the septics down the boozer...they must be fucking racist if they're abbreviating British to "Brit".
What another load of old wank. I'm suprised to hear Sheepy saying what he does though, I thought you'd be coming at it from the same angle as the yellow scum. I'm just nipping down the paki shop and then to the pub...toodle-pip... Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: axs on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 14:40:40 I get called "Brit" by the septics down the boozer...they must be fucking racist if they're abbreviating British to "Brit". What another load of old wank. I'm suprised to hear Sheepy saying what he does though, I thought you'd be coming at it from the same angle as the yellow scum. I'm just nipping down the paki shop and then to the pub...toodle-pip... The abbreviation 'Brit' is not something I've ever heard as an insult, however 'Paki' has frequently been used, not as nomenclature but as ammunition, it therefore has a history whether itwas meant in this manner or not. If the Yanks were saying 'Oi you cunting limey' then it would be a bit different. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: sheepshagger on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 19:26:51 Shows how little you know about me then Ironside :)
I absolutely HATE racists - think they are scum of the earth to be honest - but to me this is not racist at all - he wasn't even saying something behind the lads back - it is a lot of young blokes all together doing a shitty job that i personally wouldn't do - but fucking fair play to them - if it weren't for people like them we would be royally fucked as a country Ca't see the difference between that and Taf, Paddy, Scouse, Ginger etc myself - not all done in good humour together - when it is said about someone you don't know I see it as different though....... Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Ironside on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 21:12:59 Fair play sheepy. I agree one hundred percent with your point of view on this one. There's nothing to it whatsoever. I agree if he'd said something along the lines of "all paki's must must fucking die" to random people on the street, that WOULD be racist. I doff my cap to you, but you're still a cunt!
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Gazza's Fat Mate on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 21:19:04 The sooner they learn there place is in front of the barrel of a rifle the better. Harry is only using words the majority of people use. Packi, ragheads all used everyday by millions in the uk. The only difference is that most people don't class themselves as racist but they are they just pretend not to be.
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Ironside on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 21:22:52 Swallow that spanner you've got in your mouth dude...
@ GMF Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: sheepshagger on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 23:02:04 he he - i might be a cunt - but what does that make you :):):)
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, January 11, 2009, 23:23:43 If it was said by you or me in the context of being a soldier and in front of those you said it against then fair enogh. If you take exception then take their heads off. In the context of it being 3rd in line to the throne after all the birth to job education they have been given then itys just plain fucking dumb. He's either a bog standard soldier who isn't a royal or he's a royal full stop. He behaves like one or the other - he can't be both.
I would have said he's living up to his heritage but I'm not sure Hewitt is a racist. Maybe its an argument for nurture against nature. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, January 12, 2009, 01:27:22 I'm not sure the use of prejudicial language alone should condemn a person to being a racist. If someone said "that paki cunt" or something that bad, then it would certainly indicate a person hating that race.
What was said was very un-pc but it wasn't really full blown racism. If it was full blown racism then it means anyone who has made comments about gays at football is homophobic. Besides, if you want to hear proper un-pc remarks you should have been on the minibus on the way back from Orient when we drove past Chinatown. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Berniman on Monday, January 12, 2009, 09:01:06 Mountain, Molehill!
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: janaage on Monday, January 12, 2009, 09:15:22 Baring in mind this fella is third in line to the throne, he really should know better than to call people "rag heads" or "paki's". I think George Galloway summed it up well, if you don't realise the offence that "paki" can cause, and to be fair I have no idea, then you probably haven't been called it in a vicious way. It's an abbrevation, but the way the term has been used in recent years I think we all know that it's not acceptable really.
So I believe he shouldn't have said, and that he should apologise (which he has already). What I really don't understand is the way some reports have stated "in another prank he was seen to be offensive towards the queen". Just because he said (at the end of a pretend phone call) "Yeah yeah God save you, bye..." what's so offensive about that? Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Lumps on Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:57:32 Let's be honest the blokes been a bit of a tool.
I don't think that he's an out and out racist, but you'd think he'd be more careful about what he says on camera. Even if it is a private video, in his position he should realise that footage like that is going to be damaging and is almost inevitably going to find its way into the public domain. However, the bloke was about 20 when he filmed it and which of us wasn't a bit of an arse at that age? Bearing in mind that he clearly isn't that bright (two A level's at grades B and D after the most expensive education money can buy is hardly an indication of a particularly profound thinker) and that every other piece of footage I've seen of the man shows him interacting with people of all races in a pretty relaxed and open manner (I'm pretty sure he's had command of a Gurkha platoon at one stage) and I'd say it's just a bit unfortunate. The only bit of the footage that should be a bit of a concern is the "*racial hatred*" remark. I know that using language that depersonalises the enemy, indeed dehumanises them is a fairly natural thing to do in situations of conflict. If you are going to have to shoot someone, or order a few tonnes of ordanance down on their heads it's a damned sight easier to do if you're not thinking of them as Ahmed who's got three kids at home. But the trouble in this particular little war we've got ourselves mixed up in is that the "ragheads" aren't just limited to the role of enemy here, they're also the civilian population the allied forces are supposed to be protecting, and make up a proportion of those allied forces themselves. A bit unfortunate and a bit of a gaffe, which he seems to have realised. I did like the "yeah yeah God save you " line though. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, January 12, 2009, 11:31:09 Sorry but I thought it was all rather fucking ace
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Batch on Monday, January 12, 2009, 12:12:29 I couldn't really care less.
By that I mean I don't think racism should be tolerated, but I can't be arsed to see what context the words were used in. Let's be honest assuming the wrost case, "thick royal in out of touch with modern society shocker" isn't really a shocker after all is it. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Tails on Monday, January 12, 2009, 12:19:31 To me it sums up what our forces are all about,old traditions,old language,bullying,old equipment and as usual old men calling the shots in there safe worlds...abit like WW1 a hundred years on...Harry is saying words that are commonly used in our forces,is it racist?....its an individual decision,i wouldnt want any of my family joining our forces in todays climate. You're using a NOTW story to sum something up? You need to sort yourself out. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, January 12, 2009, 12:37:14 I call my asian mate those names and he called me a honky. Im going to batter the racist cunt
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: leefer on Monday, January 12, 2009, 12:44:25 You're using a NOTW story to sum something up? You need to sort yourself out. As usual Tails...ive got no idea what your on about...NOTW means zilch to me,call me old fashioned! Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: land_of_bo on Monday, January 12, 2009, 13:28:11 damn damn damn, thought i had hit jackpot in the death list Me too! Fuck. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Berniman on Monday, January 12, 2009, 14:06:23 As usual Tails...ive got no idea what your on about...NOTW means zilch to me,call me old fashioned! er... News of the World Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: leefer on Monday, January 12, 2009, 15:27:42 Sorry i read the SE..ocasionly the SM....but i never read the NOTW,its full of tits...on that note.
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: dell boy on Monday, January 12, 2009, 21:06:45 Sorry i read the SE..ocasionly the SM....but i never read the NOTW,its full of tits...on that note. But all newspapers covered the story along with all TV channels, so take your pick. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: leefer on Monday, January 12, 2009, 21:10:57 Thing is Dell...i didnt even mention any newspapers,,,,,,and i dont buy em by there abreviations when i do...i genuinly didnt realise what NOTW stood for.
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Dozno9 on Monday, January 12, 2009, 22:40:19 I couldn't really care less. By that I mean I don't think racism should be tolerated, but I can't be arsed to see what context the words were used in. Let's be honest assuming the wrost case, "thick royal in out of touch with modern society shocker" isn't really a shocker after all is it. Exactly. The shock of an upper class white male being racist, whatever next. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, January 12, 2009, 23:36:50 End of the day there was no malice in my opinion . I find it hard to believe that anybody who has a mate of a different race has not had a laugh with them and vice versa. My black mate thought it was hilarious i compared her to marmite. Racist is such a over used word the kkk, hitler,ironside(joke) etc are racist harry is naive not racist
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: deltaincline on Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 00:26:50 Ponce Harry is a thick cunt for allowing someone to film him making the 'Paki' and '*racial hatred*' comments, not to mention his fuckwit personal bodyguards and coppers who are supposed to be with cunts like him 24-7, making sure that his arse is always well covered and out of the tabs. That said, he's an even bigger cunt for using vile fucking language like that in the first place - getting caught on video just exposes him as a racist whether it was meant as a term of endearment to a fellow squaddie or not - as many people of Pakistani origin consider the term 'paki' to be an offensive throwback to the largely racist culture of the 60's and 70's in this country.
Mind, his cunt of a grandad is hardly a shining example of racial tolerance, is he? Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 00:34:02 Something ironic about you calling him a cunt for vile language
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: deltaincline on Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 00:42:06 Something ironic about you calling him a cunt for vile language If you consider it ironic to call a racist a 'cunt', you have a problem my friend. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 00:49:36 If you consider it ironic to call a racist a 'cunt', you have a problem my friend. Did you read that in the Daily Mail also? Or maybe the Daily Express? Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: deltaincline on Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 01:00:40 Did you read that in the Daily Mail also? Stop calling me also, you thick cunt. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Colin Todd on Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:49:13 Something ironic about you calling him a cunt for vile language :D its a fair point Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: magicroundabout on Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:53:52 If you consider it ironic to call a racist a 'cunt', you have a problem my friend. who's been a racist????? Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 13:23:27 Theres a difference between using racist language and being racist. You honkey muthafucka
Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: spacey on Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 16:54:47 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7826701.stm
In other news. The Queen has offered a reward for the safe return of 3 of her beloved corgis. The corgis named Sambo, Darkie and Coon were stolen from outside an off license in Windsor. Police are currently investigating claims made by Prince Phillip that the dogs were probably stolen by slanty eyed chinks or spearchuckers. Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: oxford_fan on Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 17:06:04 Ponce Harry is a thick cunt for allowing someone to film him the thicko filmed the footage himself Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 17:18:42 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7826701.stm In other news. The Queen has offered a reward for the safe return of 3 of her beloved corgis. The corgis named Sambo, Darkie and Coon were stolen from outside an off license in Windsor. Police are currently investigating claims made by Prince Phillip that the dogs were probably stolen by slanty eyed chinks or spearchuckers. OMG is it wrong that made me laugh lots? :rofl2: Title: Re: Prince Harry Post by: nevillew on Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 17:36:34 In other news, Guy Gibson has been posthumously stripped of his VC for naming his dog 'Nigger'
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