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The police have just released 16 very clear images of Spurs fans who were involved in racist chanting directed at Sol Cambell v Pompey.
Lets hope all there familys including the kids see them.....what a good xmas for them eh?
This is going to be a warning to any fan now involved in Scummy chanting thats theres no hiding place if you want to get involved in shite like that.
Apologies if this is on another thread.

some of them look quite young - I was quite shocked

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John Lennon on the left?

Fair enough but cant help feeling the police should spend more time catching real criminals i.e. muggers etc than this kinda stuff.

if they had them on cctv they would mate

Until Campbell proves he isn't Gay, or a bit of a Judas-esque cunt, they havent really sung much wrong have they? :)

I'm not convinced what they sang was racist or homophopbic

Dont seem to be able to find the lyrics to the song though.  something about hanging from a tree and HIV.  of course only gays get HIV ::)

and only sloths hang from trees

So what exactly did they sing that was so bad then? 

J A Riise on the right

Never liked Monkey chanting at matches......we had John Gittens and Fitzroy Simpson playing and some fans still thought it clever to do Monkey noises??

I wonder how Joey Beauchamp felt when we sang he had vd.

I wonder how West Ham fans felt when he took the piss!?

Sol, Sol, wherever you may be
Now you're close to lunacy
And we don't give a f**k
If you're hanging from a tree
You Judas c**t with HIV


To me this is just another example of football being taken far too seriously.

There is no hiding place if you want to get involved with scummy chants? This is pathetic. You cant control everything that people do and say, not even in a football ground.

Havnt people really got something better to do? I just think football (the Premiership in particular) could do with some time out of the media spotlight.

I wonder how he felt when he had a piss? (if he really did have VD that is)

Anyway, does that mean that the "do you take it up the arse" songs etc are not allowed anymore? fucking gay.

Where's the racism in that? Or the homophobia?

Spurs fans regard Campbell as a Judas, it's no different to the way we viewed Mooney.

Fucking move on...........

This is why I think it's good then players like Lee Trundle give a bit back. The fat cunt.

I think they're trying to say hanging from a tree is related to lynching rather than a reference to Judas.

I love it when players shove it back down fans throats. Unfortunately, too many people are prepared to dish out stick, then complain when players give a bit back.

Defo agree with that Herhab...ive always had a deep admiration for players who dish it back,not quite the same i know but Ince from Walsall was brilliant when the Town End jeered him...also can remember Le Tiss shoving it down our throats after the County Ground kept reminding him our big his nose was...and of course even the most ardent anti Man Utd fan wouldnt have begrudged Cantonna decking the fella abusing him.

we can all sit smugly on our laptops and criticise the chants by Spurs fans but some of the chants at Swindon games and some of the comments on this site are less than pleasant - can any of us really say that we have not acted wrongly? The Spurs fans were well out of order but there are plenty of people round here who should look at themselves sometimes

If you dont like it dont come in

great attitude Fred! perhaps we'll see your photo in the news soon

Sorry if this sounds callous, but it's football innit? Unsavory songs are sung, foul and abusive language is heard and naughty gestures are seen.

And let's hope it stays like that.

I'm not against the odd rude song or comment but surely calling the manager and assistant (Malpas and Byrne) a cunt doesn't help anyone

I'm talking what's seen and heard at football, not what's written on forums.

What if they are cunts though ;-)

again ?

I don't think that song is much worse than songs we've sung about Mooney and Beauchamp. There's no way they deserve to have their mugshots posted on the BBC website, save that for wanted peadophiles, terrorists and bank robbers etc.

Agreed

Total over reaction by the Bleeding Heart Daily Mail reading brigade

Lets all phone Spurs and complain shall we

The pictures are printed for other reasons as well as the song...monkey chants etc...they couldnt and wouldnt print those photos if thats all they were doing...theres a fine line...theyve crossed it.

Why couldnt they?

They can do whatever they want.

Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

Come on Spencer...get real,we all know theres Banter at matches,done it myself...if the police release pictures of wanted people its not for banter...and everyone knows that.

I haven't seen Spencer on TEF for a while, alright Spencer  :bye:

How do you know?  :soapy tit wank:

Hello everyone. No I havnt bothered comming on here for a while.

Complete over reaction as normal if a few people at a rugby match did this nothing would happen but because it happens at football it is blown out of all propertion just like if you punch a chap in town on a saturday night you would get an £80 pound fine. Do it at footy and you'll be dawn raided, picture put in paper and then banned from football for life.

the fact is that campbell is a money grabbing cunt he left the yids for money then he left the arse saying he wouldn't to play abroad but again got tempted by the money offered to him on the south coast complete fucking cunt.

What happens if it turns out that he is a gay and does have HIV can you be proscuted for chanting the turth?

Thats because this wouldn't have happened at a rugby match

Well, there's about 150 manager rumour pages to get through and, erm, enjoy.

Because theres abuse at matches every week,some of it nasty,its not in the police interests or the publics to pursue it further....this was alot more than nasty and obviously in the police interests to nip it in the bud.
Theres alot of talk on the South coast of serious reprisals when Pompey play at Spurs again..the police are right this time....in my opinion.

wanna bet ?

January 18th

I have two tickets......taking the client at Twickenham as he is a mad Pompey fan

Some things fall into the media spotlight and their importance gets totally over inflated.

What reprisals are they planning? More naughty words?

yeah Spence,,,they are going to shout naughty naughty Tottenam clap,clap clap....every prem match is in the media spotlight,do you want it to end up like the Spanish LGE ware fans get away with shite,the police can be muppets at times we all know that...Sol Cambell is an ex england player who has received absolute filth through the post aimed at him and family,this abuse by Spurs fans was not the usual....the police are right to sort it now.

It was a song. Any trial wont sort out the ill feeling, or what he's received in the post.

Cant see Pompey fans rushing to defend the honour of Sol Campbell either. Couldnt see them getting worked up about it. There just isnt the affinity between players and supporters anymore. 

Its just part of the agenda to change football, try and make it perfect. Not to actually accept football for what it is.

Are you serious?

I haven't got a clue whether they meant it to be racist or not but singing "If you're hanging from a tree" is pretty dodgy territory - easily interpreted as a monkey or lynching reference. So I'd say they're guilty of stupidity at the very minimum.

There is a line when it comes to what you say and sing at football matches and they do need to do something about those that cross it. But I don't think they help themselves when they complain about being boo'd and getting minor abuse, its part of the game and if they don't like it that's their problem. Ashley Cole playing for England recently being a good example, he was having a terrible game and if I'd paid £50 or whatever to watch it I'd have been giving him some grief.

If stuff like this was said in the streets, would it be acceptable? Why should there be a different moral code inside a football stadium?

After reading the song I have to say I don't think it's that bad.  Looks like I'm in a majority but this has been blown out of all proportion.

Equally, I'd be fairly suprised if a bunch of people stood across the road from me chanting "You're shit and you know you are at me" in the street. Unless they were my family of course. They do that all the time. The bastards.

Point is, there's a stylised convention and tradition of what happens within football grounds, so the "You wouldn't do it in the street" argument is pretty weak, IMO. Whether this transcends what is usually acceptable within that convention/tradition is probably what is at question. And on the basis of what's been said so far, unless leefer's right about there being "extra" stuff, this just seems like Hampshire's finest going off on one - the song's no worse than the "Tommy Mooney on a piece of string" song, surely? Neither are terribly pleasant, but I don't see that either are criminal.

Tradition is ever changing, as will what is acceptable in football grounds.

So does that make sledging in Cricket unacceptable boeta?

I look forward to a future of decent chaps in duffle coats shouting "Play up, Swindon" and "Oh I say, referee, I'm not certain that challenge was entirely fair" from the Town End

Perhaps if people removed those chips from their shoulders the world would be a better place.
Sticks and stones and all that
Afterall you can call me a well balanced white hetrosexual male sex god and I won't be offended.

This is all the fault of the happy clappy cunts who now infest football. Football has always been a working mans sport swearing, beer and laddish behavoir has always been the norm. Now you have the prawn sandwich twats who think football is "entertainment" football is not it is a passion, a faith if you will.

The sooner everyone stands up to these twats who ruin football the better.

To be honest I can't see anything illegal in the song. I don't particularly like the song and wouldn't sing it myself. Anyone who definitvely relates "hanging from a tree" with racism is really pushing it. It may well allude to it but I don't think anyone can prove it. I've got chocolates hanging from my X Mas tree. Oh no - chocolate = brown = taking the piss out of black people being lynched by the KKK.  

Spot on GFM. It's a bloody leap of faith in our case, most of the time.

I don't think the song is that bad to be honest, nothing more than is sung the country over.

GFM, you are referring to the past 40 years of football, before that it was all flat cap and rattles.  It changed in the 70's to what we refer to as the "traditional".

It's about context isn't it. Singing "town full of faggots" at the Brighton fans is I suspect technically illegal.  But in the context of football chants then is it really that bad? We all know Brighton isn't actually town full of faggots*,  and most of us wouldn't care if it was. But it part of the banter.

There is a line that shouldn't be crossed. But drawing that line is difficult, so where is it? making Monkey noises at black players is definitely unacceptable. But what about calling the Gills "pikeys". Perfectly acceptable to me and most of the people I know. Probably offensive to a few people though. So can I sing it or not?

Are we really turning into a country of over PC twats?

(*Unless Mex makes an unexpected announcement that he is a friend of Dorothy.)

Anyway, my first reaction was - racist chants they have a point. Calling Sol Campbell a gay - who the fuck cares.
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Oh and the -would it be acceptable in the street - depends on context again. If a stranger called me a cunt I might be a bit upset. But my mates do all the time.

yeah yeah yeah, cos it's that black and white

Racist.

Whats wrong with singing Brighton is a town full of meatballs ??? Or bunches of sticks ??
Trouble with the PC brigade is that they are inherently un-pc themselves in that they always seem to assume the "worst meaning" is meant.


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I was really cringing at some of the brighton chants last season at withdean and loads of people got removed at half time.

It's Adam and Eve, It's Adam not Steve'

They couldn't even get the bus correct.