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Title: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 08:33:27 On the way back from southend the team coach was followed back by a coach of swindon fans. When they got to the county ground these fans decided to abuse the players and malpas, someone i know was on the players bus and has not seen nothing like it. If that was anybody from this forum can i let you know you and your mates are cunts of the highest order. Fuckin twats
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: herthab on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 08:35:42 That is well out of order. The performance yesterday didn't even warrant boos, let alone abuse.
I agree that those responsible are indeed cunts...... Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 08:48:41 I'm not passing judgement on this situation, it being no more than an internet rumour, but in principle, I've nothing against fans letting players know how they feel, when it is done away from the match situation.
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 08:51:07 Quote I apoligise if I ramble in this post, but I've just got in and it's been a long day on the beer. I travelled to Southend by minibus and on the way back we spoted the team bus and followed them back to the county ground. I am embarressed by the abuse given by people I consider friends towards Malpas and the team in general when we got back to SN1, but fair play to maurice who took it on the chin head held high unlike alot of the players. Also, I have to say Nick Watkins is a stand up guy, he came over and answered all our questions for three quarters of an hour whilst most of the players sluked off into the night. some interesting points we got from him were.... That their biggest dissapointment in the summer was missing out on charlie mulgrew, and without openly admitting it he said that casal was a mistake and that a new left back is their number one priotiey. maybe he was towing the company, but he was very praising of malpas and seemed to indicate that he could be here for a while yet. Although when questioned about the possibilty of relegation he dismissed the matter saying the aproprite measures will be taken if it looks a possisbility. When we asked had Lingy talked himself out of a job, he said that one of their main priorities is the development of youth and that Martin wanted to make to many changes to the current set up. He also dismissed the rumours that Ifill has agreed terms with sheff utd for a january move, saying the club has had no official contact from sheff utd. He also spoke very highly of Pat Kanyuka and David Byrne. Fair play to Peacock, Corr and Paynter who all took the time to stop and have a chat. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 08:53:50 Where is that from dave?
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 08:54:10 footballforums
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 08:59:00 Cheers dave,
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 09:11:57 Watkins' reaction to the R word, reminds me of Hardman back in 94/95 at an AGM.
He was rattling on about the need to rip up the relatively recently installed Stratton Bank crush barriers and put in seats, I pointed out had he considered that if we were relegated the rules allowed Div 3 sides to keep terracing....you then got a period of grace if promoted....he tried the old, ha ha relegation, you must be a loon mate, line...I just asked him if he'd looked at a league table lately. He had gone before season's end and we got relegated. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: tans on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 10:56:21 Jerel Ifil to Sheff Utd, thats a new one on me
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 12:03:02 On the way back from southend the team coach was followed back by a coach of swindon fans. When they got to the county ground these fans decided to abuse the players and malpas, someone i know was on the players bus and has not seen nothing like it. If that was anybody from this forum can i let you know you and your mates are cunts of the highest order. Fuckin twats Total fucking twats, we do indeed have some idiots of the fucking highest order. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Rustle on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 12:05:00 I can't see the point of abusing the player's or the manager,we all get frustrated but i would rather they took their frustration's out on the forum's.
If they want to demonstrate after the match then fair enough,but abusing player's or the manager don't help anyone whatsoever. I hope those involved in that incident yesterday regret what they done and put it down to they was just frustrated at another loss. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 12:07:52 Jerel Ifil to Sheff Utd, thats a new one on me Harking back to Watkins and the R word...he needs to face up to the fact we're in the shit....already the scale of the task is sizeable. To give some idea, when we went down in 05/06, after 11 games we had 7 points, 2 less than now...Iffy had just taken over from Kingy, and lost his first 2 games while getting settled....we then lost only 3 of the next 20, and still went down. This is the kind of run that MM needs to be achieving to have any chance of staying up. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: pauld on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 12:14:10 Watkins is a smart bloke and he will, believe me, be very aware of the possibility of relegation and the dangers it poses. And even if it wasn't on the cards, he will be keenly aware that lack of performances on the field is undermining all the hard work he's achieved off it. But in this circumstance, he's always going to "toe the party line" and seek to calm nerves. Would anyone be impressed with a Chief Exec who told an angry group of fans who'd confronted the team in the club car park "Yeah, the manager's a tosser, I'm as pissed off as you are with him"?
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: alanmayes on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 12:17:31 Harking back to Watkins and the R word...he needs to face up to the fact we're in the shit....already the scale of the task is sizeable. To give some idea, when we went down in 05/06, after 11 games we had 7 points, 2 less than now...Iffy had just taken over from Kingy, and lost his first 2 games while getting settled....we then lost only 3 of the next 20, and still went down. This is the kind of run that MM needs to be achieving to have any chance of staying up. The pattern of struggling sides is usually set in the first quarter of a season.It's all very well Watkins to put the positive spin on things,but fans aren't convinced that we'll suddenly turn the corner.Does MM really have the where with all to turn things around? I don't think so. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 12:21:07 Fair enough, but the sooner some action is taken the better, whether this be new manager or new players..I'm sure a relegation scrap wasn't on the menu, that that is what we've now got....it is going to be very difficult for any manager, to get much out of the current crop of players.
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: pauld on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 12:24:17 Fair comment Reg. Share the concern and like I say the board won't be just going "Ah well, it'll all work out" either
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: dell boy on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 13:00:35 Fair enough, but the sooner some action is taken the better, whether this be new manager or new players..I'm sure a relegation scrap wasn't on the menu, that that is what we've now got....it is going to be very difficult for any manager, to get much out of the current crop of players. I disagree, the current crop imo could easily turn this round with the right man and training staff behind them. Two new players on loan if finances allowed would of course be a plus, I do understand your posts about financial restraints, but surely Fitton wouldn't want this season to go down the pan, I'm sure they will spend if they have to, and they will change the management team if results do not improve otherwise this will be just a wasted twelve months in the plans. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 13:56:05 If we forget finances I'm not sure where the loan signings are going to come from anyway. Premiership clubs are looking to loan out their young players where they think they will play but more importantly where they think they can get good coaching. Alternatively its on a favuor to a mate basis. I think we fail on both counts. This leaves us with the older out of favour option. Given that you could put Maldini in our defence and he'd look like cococ the Clown, I'm not sure this will work.
Instead of a loan option, I'd rather we made him work with what we've got and maximise the potential within the squad. We've got 9 defenders, 3 of which he's bought in himself and only 1 currently out injured. Why would perming 4 out of 11 be better than perming 4 out of 9? Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:17:30 We need a goalkeeper and a central midfielder...
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:18:08 When we were relegated in 05-06, we were bottom for ages. But by late february we had still allowed complacency to set in, and as a result we had the Rotherham game, and then the Forest game that basically buried us.
This season weve got a lot more complacency, because we think we are rich. We struggle against battling teams, the ones who are down with us (already lost to Cheltenham). And most worrying of all is the defence. You can see a season altering drubbing around the corner, and this time it looks likely to come in front of our own fans. How would we react if we did get beat 6-0 at home to Oldham or Scunthorpe or Leicester? The signs point to a relegation in my opinion. Malpas seems to like changing his own players, but he doesnt seem to like bringing players in. I think hes lost confidence in his own judgement after the summer signings and is shunning the market. If Malpas is to stay we need major defensive surgery. I would release Casal (weve been had by the agent) and (fat boy, cant handle it) Aljofree and look to the loan market. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Mexicano Rojo on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:20:26 fuck it i congratulate them, bit of abuse is about right, shows we actually give a shit. About time the team cared half as much as us.
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Crozzer on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:21:17 Playing a settled defence and not chopping and changing it every week should be the number one priority. Surely, everybody knows that a settled back four is a must for consistent results.
Left back is obviously the main problem position. Aljofree or Smith playing there isn't a solution. Vincent may take a while yet to come back, if he does at all. Letting Nicholas go, then Vincent's injury, then not playing a player much that apparently has trouble marking who cost money, is something of a disaster. Timlin at left back, not a solution either. Why hasn't this been sorted before now? Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:28:02 We have 4 central midfielders and 2 goalkeepers. Fair enough Malpas was stuck with the keepers, but he's bought in 2 central midfielders. It's the same argument as the defence imo.
As CS said, we're not getting the most out of what we have already got. A couple of loan additions, or even permanent ones would not help us imo. They'd just fall into the same trap as our current crop. It scares me even more now that we could get relegated. It's not a far fetched theory anymore. We're really that bad. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:31:11 What odds we hammer northampton
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Mexicano Rojo on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:32:14 if we do beat northampton the reason will be the fan abuse.
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:32:14 We have 4 central midfielders and 2 goalkeepers. Fair enough Malpas was stuck with the keepers, but he's bought in 2 central midfielders. It's the same argument as the defence imo. As CS said, we're not getting the most out of what we have already got. A couple of loan additions, or even permanent ones would not help us imo. They'd just fall into the same trap as our current crop. It scares me even more now that we could get relegated. It's not a far fetched theory anymore. We're really that bad. Doing nothing isn't an option, we could be as good as gone by the end of November. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: DV on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:32:50 fuck it, I'll put my neck on the line.
we wont go down. Our players are better than we are showing and I still believe we will turn the corner. I still think rightly or wrongly our best 11 is Brez, Smith, Ifil, Aljofree, Vincent, JPM, Easton, Peacock, McNamee, Cox, Paynter. We need to put that team out and stick with it. Ifil, Smith - King Peacock - Iffy Brez, Vincent - Wise Aljofree, JMP, Easton, Paynter - Sturrock Cox - found by Sturrock, signed by Malpas McNamee - Malpas Most of Malpas' signings have looked poor. I still think we will stay up. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:37:59 Doing nothing isn't an option, we could be as good as gone by the end of November. Not disagreeing, I think it will help. But it's not the answer. We all know what the answer is (getting the players organised and playing to their potential - which is not relegation). I think inevitably that means Malpas needs to work a miracle or leave. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:40:10 Thing is dv that team proved good enough for mid table we should of pushed on from that malpas made signings that have weakened us. Yes we may stay up but with malpas in charge we will not improve on last season.
fuck it, I'll put my neck on the line. we wont go down. Our players are better than we are showing and I still believe we will turn the corner. I still think rightly or wrongly our best 11 is Brez, Smith, Ifil, Aljofree, Vincent, JPM, Easton, Peacock, McNamee, Cox, Paynter. We need to put that team out and stick with it. Ifil, Smith - King Peacock - Iffy Brez, Vincent - Wise Aljofree, JMP, Easton, Paynter - Sturrock Cox - found by Sturrock, signed by Malpas McNamee - Malpas Most of Malpas' signings have looked poor. I still think we will stay up. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: michael on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:42:39 We definitely need a left back. We miss Comminges so much :(
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:43:05 I think Deev's right, we won't go down. Because if it got the stage where things were that bad, Malpas will be off.
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: DV on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:44:35 You're right.
We havent pushed on and Malpas signings Kanyuka, Amankwaah and Casal havent looked good. ...but...then I did say we'd turn the corner. I didnt say Malpas would turn the corner. Whilst I can see Spencers point that you can see similiarites with our relegation season I just think this team is alot better than that team ever was. I'd say we were an under performing team, not a shit one. In 05/06 we were a shit team. We'll see I guess.... Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:48:13 Kennedy,aljofree,casal,smith all left back options. I know we need a defender on loan but surely we must be asking why we need one
We definitely need a left back. We miss Comminges so much :( Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:53:01 I admire your optimism, and obviously things don't have to happen because, they happened before, but 00/01 is an interesting comparison...that season we had 9 points after 11 games, T*dd could see the writing on the wall and jumped.
We were semi decent at the back, but vunerable to headed goals, so King got in Heywood, we scrapped out some results along with some dross, and as we know stayed up only because Rovers fucked up big time at the end. Spence is right at the moment we look a side, destined if not for relegation at least in a struggle to avoid it.. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Crozzer on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:57:02 What odds we hammer northampton 1-0 13/2 2-0 10/1 2-1 9/1 3-0 25/1 3-1 20/1 3-2 28/1 4-0 66/1 4-1 50/1 4-2 66/1 4-3 150/1 5-0 125/1 5-1 125/1 1-3, Bookies refusing to take bets (just made that up) Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 14:58:31 We will concede i am going for 4-1
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 15:11:14 I think Deev's right, we won't go down. Because if it got the stage where things were that bad, Malpas will be off. We're too good to go down.Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 15:17:24 That is us fucked then ost. What worries me is how biased we are,fans of most teams we have played genuinly think we are the shittest they have seen
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 15:31:43 That is us fucked then ost. What worries me is how biased we are,fans of most teams we have played genuinly think we are the shittest they have seen Just to clarify my original post, it was ironic. I don't really think we're too good to go down. In fact, I think we suck ass.Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 15:34:34 I know that but there are people who think we are too good to go down
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Crozzer on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 15:40:21 We're too good to go down. Forest were too good to go down. Roy Keene was playing for them. In Cloughie's book he put a lot of blame on not dropping a central defender that his assistants said he needed to do (name escapes me was on loan to Swindon at one point) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/3117914/Football-Top-10-too-good-to-go-down-teams-Football.html Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 15:58:28 You're probably thinking of Carl Tiler....
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 16:21:21 Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 16:24:45 I actually think we might stay up as well. I do think that we'll struggle to maybe even the last day like 00/01 though unless things pick up.
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 17:15:34 I actually think we might stay up as well. I do think that we'll struggle to maybe even the last day like 00/01 though unless things pick up. Without wishing to sound a Jonah, I think things are likely to get worse, than they are now...so far this season I think we've been gettting the rub of the green, few injuries to key players, two games v 10 men, two pens awarded, none against and a reasonable fixture list. It tends to even itself out over a season. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 17:26:23 Without wishing to sound a Jonah, I think things are likely to get worse, than they are now...so far this season I think we've been gettting the rub of the green, few injuries to key players, two games v 10 men, two pens awarded, none against and a reasonable fixture list. It tends to even itself out over a season. ohh stop being such a negative nancy. We'll stay up, and if its on the last day of the season then even better! Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: DV on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 17:27:53 nah, fuck it....why bother with the rest of the games might as well just relegate us now.
You dont go from a 13th place team to relegation candidates over night. We've only lost one first team player in Comminges. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 17:29:49 You dont go from a 13th place team to relegation candidates over night. You can do if there's only a point between 13th and the relegation places.Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Arriba on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 17:39:15 we could go down as we are conceeding a worrying amout of goals.
i dont know if we will but we are in trouble.incidents like the one this thread is about is typical of how things have been this season.what a mess! Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 17:51:44 ohh stop being such a negative nancy. We'll stay up, and if its on the last day of the season then even better! :clap: Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 18:22:45 we've been gettting the rub of the green, few injuries to key players, two games v 10 men, two pens awarded, none against and a reasonable fixture list. It tends to even itself out over a season. Does that mean all our comedy defensive errors are done and dusted then! Look on the bright side, we are only 11 points outside the playoffs and have most of the season left to catch up :) Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: dell boy on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 18:30:39 we could go down as we are conceeding a worrying amout of goals. I'll get my boots on Arriba!!i dont know if we will but we are in trouble.incidents like the one this thread is about is typical of how things have been this season.what a mess! Seriously sorting out the backline is a damn site easier than anywhere else on the park, worrying. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: michael on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 19:02:45 Without wishing to sound a Jonah, I think things are likely to get worse, than they are now...so far this season I think we've been gettting the rub of the green, few injuries to key players, two games v 10 men, two pens awarded, none against and a reasonable fixture list. It tends to even itself out over a season. If we're accepting that the squad lacks quality and would struggle regardless of who was in charge, then there is a question to be asked as to whether it is even worth sacking MM? The financial cost of relegation may well be less than the cost of sacking and upgrading the management team, and then improving the squad to league 1 standard. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 19:10:53 The probelm is we're getting turned over by teams who aren't very good. I think this is a pretty crap division and we're too crap to compete at the moment. I haven't seen a really good side this season. A half decent side would have turnoed Leeds and Millwall over.
We are absolute relegation fodder and I can see some team coming here and absolutely dicking us 5 or 6 nil. At this moment I can see absolutely no light at the end of the tunnel. I think even a new manager is going to struggle. I really had high hopes for this season but its Groundhog Day. I'll be there Tuesday but I really don't want to go. There is still this stupidity in me that says this is the game we turn the corner but I expect a 3 -1 defeat, a capitulation before a ball is kicked, our experienced players hiding, a shamles of a defence, a midfield that neither supports the attack or defence, a good forward line, zero tactical awareness, everyone back at a corrner, us playing 1 up front when we're down with 2 minutes to go, player baiting, Malaps out chants, fans turning on each other etc, etc. This Swindon experience is really fucking uplifitng isn't it. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: DV on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 19:28:00 Team that put in that great 10 man performance agains Swansea
Brezovan - still here Comminges - gone Ifil - still here Aljofree - still here Vincent - still here JPM - still here Easton - still here Peacock - still here Zaaboub - gone (off after 28 mins) Simon Cox - still here Billy Paynter - still here (on after 28 minutes) Team that beat Nottm Forest at the County Ground last season Brez - still here Comminges - gone Ifil - still here Aljofree - still here Vincent - still here JPM - still here Easton - still here Peacock - still here Zaaboub - gone Paynter - still here Sturrock - still here Pretty much the same players unless losing Comminges and Zaaboub has turned us from a mid table team to relegation fodder. We're under performing badly, yes and the longer it goes on the worse it gets....but relegation certs and liable to a 6-0 spanking, are we fuck. Christ, I remember when I was classed as the pessimist on this forum. Its bad dont get me wrong but some of you have got us relegated after 11 fucking games!! Which is a bit hypocritial on my part as I had us relegated before a ball was even kicked in 05/06 but that team really was shit.... we will turn it around Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 19:31:53 If we're accepting that the squad lacks quality and would struggle regardless of who was in charge, then there is a question to be asked as to whether it is even worth sacking MM? The financial cost of relegation may well be less than the cost of sacking and upgrading the management team, and then improving the squad to league 1 standard. Especially when you consider the teams weve got over the next 6 weeks. Could be we hand the new manager a nightmare start and things dont improve. To be honest, I think things are going to worse before they get better. Things will only start to get better once weve got everyone pulling in the right direction, fans, players, manager, board etc. The players wont find the motivation unless they start getting the support. Like I said, I think the next 6 weeks will be a bit of a nightmare, then things will be decided in december. Cant see an instant turnaround even with a new manager. I can see another Ipswich Town. I would not encourage anyone to come to the next 4 home games. Not going to be pretty. Weve just got to find the bottom of this barrel, and then with the desperation, then should come a bit of spirit. This name and that name means nothing now, its all about what hes doing on the pitch, reputations count for nothing. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 19:34:25 DV, all that shows is how quickly weve gone backwards in 8 months.
Names and reputations count for nothing. Otherwise all we will be doing in a years time is saying actually, they were shit that season. Just like we look at Sean O'Hanlon now and think, what a load of rubbish he was that season. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: DV on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 19:37:43 DV, all that shows is how quickly weve gone backwards in 8 months. Names and reputations count for nothing. Otherwise all we will be doing in a years time is saying actually, they were shit that season. Just like we look at Sean O'Hanlon now and think, what a load of rubbish he was that season. It does show how backwards we've gone but then it also shows the players are capable of so much more than they are showing! which still gives me slight belief they can turn it around. I obviously dont watch O'Hanlon every week but he was poor that relegation season with us (worst ever captain imo) and from what I've seen (which admittidly isnt alot) he is still shit. His part in our first goal at MK was class!!! Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: JPC82 on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 19:38:05 My opinion is we have a good squad for league 1, look at how these same players performed under Sturrock, Jerel, Easty, Timlin etc were great players at this level, i think its simply down to the managers lack man management skills and poor tactical decisions, the players are making daft errors because they arnt enjoying playing under such a wally like big mo
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 19:50:13 Thats just blaming Malpas for everything.
Besides, the next manager may well be just as bad. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 19:50:30 Our away results do show we have a glimmer of hope though. By all accounts we were very much in the game against high flying Southend.
Even if we have picked up a couple of lucky points away,we are usually in the game. If our away form is taken into account it shows we are capable of battling out a result, useful in a relegation battle. At home we have been utter dog shite, as soon as the going gets tough we run and hide. If our home performances (forget results) are anything to go by a relegation battle will see us raise a little white flag and go with a whimper. Its a bit of a conflict isn't it. My own thought is if things stay pretty much as they are our poor home form will put too much pressure on to get away wins, and our away form will suffer as a result. Thats just blaming Malpas for everything. Besides, the next manager may well be just as bad. So what needs fixing and how do you go about it? Not a dig BTW, I assume you mean the player need to stand up and be counted? Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 19:54:44 Has our away form been as good as people are making out?
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Arriba on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 19:57:20 home form will decide a clubs fate.ours is dire. unless a big upturn is forthcoming then we will go down.
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: ghanimah on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 20:00:53 Has our away form been as good as people are making out? Obviously the results are marginally better, quite good if our home form wasn't so bad. From the away games I've seen we suffered from the same problems as at home i.e. individual mistakes, but Batch is right, the battling qualities have been there which are so obviously missing at home Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Tails on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 20:06:52 Without wishing to sound a Jonah, I think things are likely to get worse, than they are now...so far this season I think we've been gettting the rub of the green, few injuries to key players, two games v 10 men, two pens awarded, none against and a reasonable fixture list. It tends to even itself out over a season. Yes but we got fuck all luck for most of last season. It may even itself out but it may not, football doesn't work logicly and it never has done. We could fluke a win against Northampton by scoring a 98th minute goal that takes 8 deflections, but then confidence could grow and we could build on it and go on an unbeaten run. I don't see how you can judge what will happen for the remaining 40-odd games based on what has happened in the past. Yes we can say that it's quite clear the team is conceeding far too many goals, but we've got two good forwards up front, one of whom (providing we don't sell him) is quite likely to get 25 goals. Sort the backline out and we're laughing. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 20:08:27 So what needs fixing and how do you go about it? Not a dig BTW, I assume you mean the player need to stand up and be counted? Sort of. Fitton goes on and on about good football, and I just dont see it. Wonder if were playing different at home to try and impress the directors box? I know the directors have spent a lot of money on players, but maybe they are going to have to accept something a bit more agricultural for the rest of the season? I think the fans would if it meant points and wins. Just think some repuatations are going to be broken this season. At some point there will be no more excuses, they will all have to wear that stain of failure. Strikers are ommited. But is Timlin really a ball player? Is McNamee really a match winner? Is Aljofree really a captain? I think JPM's repuatation was destroyed last season, and a few more could go this season. Fair play to Paynter, he could have gone the same way as JPM. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: dogs on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 20:12:17 I say just appoint Macari, take a deep breath and all will turn out just fine.
Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 20:13:16 Btw that was not a dig just i just think we should of got more against teams like cheltenham,hereford, and stockport and even hartlepool considering what happened. We have yet to have played any of the decent home teams yet
Obviously the results are marginally better, quite good if our home form wasn't so bad. From the away games I've seen we suffered from the same problems as at home i.e. individual mistakes, but Batch is right, the battling qualities have been there which are so obviously missing at home Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 20:44:59 Yes but we got fuck all luck for most of last season. It may even itself out but it may not, football doesn't work logicly and it never has done. We could fluke a win against Northampton by scoring a 98th minute goal that takes 8 deflections, but then confidence could grow and we could build on it and go on an unbeaten run. I don't see how you can judge what will happen for the remaining 40-odd games based on what has happened in the past. Yes we can say that it's quite clear the team is conceeding far too many goals, but we've got two good forwards up front, one of whom (providing we don't sell him) is quite likely to get 25 goals. Sort the backline out and we're laughing. Of course, football isn't completely predictable, nevertheless there tends to be certain patterns, one of which if you concede an average of 2 goals a game, you'll likely lose more games than you'll win, and if you get locked into a win in 10 games type of run somewhere in the season it will drag you down. This early in the season there's nothing that can't be rectified by say winning 3 or 4 in a row and maybe losing 1 in 10, but we're already at the stage where something of that scale needs to happen. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Crozzer on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 21:04:53 You're probably thinking of Carl Tiler.... Yes, that's the one fingered by Cloughie in his book. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Nemo on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 21:06:29 Yes, that's the one fingered by Cloughie in his book. Bloody hell, that'd be a story. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: alanmayes on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 21:15:07 Last year there was an award winning biography of Clough called :
Provided you don't kiss me - 20 yrs with Brian Clough by Duncan Hamilton Has anybody read this or is the book being referred to on here? Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 21:15:07 Yes, that's the one fingered by Cloughie in his book. Tiler made his debut in John Gorman's last game, a 3-2 defeat at the Shitheads. He just wasn't fit, neither was Ross McClaren, who I'm not sure played another game for us after that....Killer Kilcline went off early injured, and the Chief had a field day for them. Shitty were crap as well, Keith Scott got a couple, but we were a disorganised rabble. Andy Rowland kept the dugout warm for a couple of games before McMahon. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: alanmayes on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 21:18:52 Tiler made his debut in John Gorman's last game, a 3-2 defeat at the Shitheads. To make matters worse it was a live game on regional ITV.From memory it was the first time that fans starting chanting,"We want Gorman out".He was sacked the next day. Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: DV on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 21:22:26 Tiler made his debut in John Gorman's last game, a 3-2 defeat at the Shitheads. He just wasn't fit, neither was Ross McClaren, who I'm not sure played another game for us after that....Killer Kilcline went off early injured, and the Chief had a field day for them. Shitty were crap as well, Keith Scott got a couple, but we were a disorganised rabble. Andy Rowland kept the dugout warm for a couple of games before McMahon. Was that Joe Jordans first game in charge? well first game in his second spell? Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: DV on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 21:24:02 no it wasnt I dont think....
Its a weird one, I know I went to that game with my Dad yet I remember nothing about it what so ever....which is rare for me! Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 21:29:26 Was that Joe Jordans first game in charge? well first game in his second spell? Quite possibly, they had been on a terible run, and it was their first win in weeks, Title: Re: Players and managment abuse. Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, October 19, 2008, 22:13:21 Keith Scott played well that day - put a good shift in, which was not that usual. City were crap. The fans loved Gorman as a person but it was obviuos things weren't working and he had to go and he did. I think the majority of fans felt pretty shit shouting gorman out as he was a genuinely nice guy who was a great no 2. He had earned a lot of goodwill. At the time I lived in Bristol next door to a Slave Trader who gave me fucking hell that weekend.
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