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Title: Shit
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:03:05
No exuses we were fuckin awful.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:07:58
Did you go DRS? Honest question.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:17:20
Yeah im walkin back. As herthab said gutles. 3 stupid mistakes and against 10 men only 2 subs used??


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: JPC82 on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:27:31
10 men and leeds were much better all over the pitch, all goals easily preventable, hopefully brez had a little knock and he hasnt kicked off and wants to leave when he got dropped, cos 1 more game with Smith in goal and i will go fucking mental


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:28:40
Brez wants to go, cant blame him.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Wood_Ayre on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:28:51
10 men and leeds were much better all over the pitch, all goals easily preventable, hopefully brez had a little knock and he hasnt kicked off and wants to leave when he got dropped, cos 1 more game with Smith in goal and i will go fucking mental

Slight shoulder injury Maplas said in his interview.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:34:02
our back 5 were a fucking joke.ifil was like a hung over sunday morning pub team player


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: michael on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:34:45
Disgusting. Why do we keep making mistakes? So last 2 home games have seen 6 goals conceded.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Red End Street on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:34:59
our back 5 are a fucking joke.

So's the defensive coach


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:35:45
 Bizarrely I thought we weren't too bad, in general play. You just can't gift the opposition goals, which we continuosly do. 

 


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: michael on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:36:14
Leeds were awesome, it must be said. Delphi was best player on the pitch. Could not get near him.

But still we should not lose to 10 men!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Spud on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:39:17
The fact is we're not doing fuck all this year.

There's absolutely no creativity from the centre of midfield.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: michael on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:40:03
Was it a red card? I was day-dreaming and missed it.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Luci on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:40:33
Delphi was awesome but I thought all in all Leeds were pretty average.  We were just terrible defensively.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: JOHNNY REEVES on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:42:55
i think mm sends the back 4 and goalie into a coma before matches. >:(


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Spud on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:43:04
Was it a red card? I was day-dreaming and missed it.

It was never a Red but Leeds could have had 8 men today and still beat us.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: JPC82 on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:43:13
Malpas didnt learn his lesson last season with regards to the goalkeepers, the 1st chance he got he dropped Brez for Smith, then he was shite, so brings Brez back after a few games, then u end up with 2 keepers low on confidence. He had half of last season and all pre season to pick his number 1 and again has royaly fucked it up


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: michael on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:45:06
Brez got dropped after letting in 3 v Colchester, so does Smith suffer the same fate now?


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Batch on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:46:26
Was it a red card? I was day-dreaming and missed it.

No. His foot was raised but it looked like a fair win of the ball. I was dubious about whether it was a booking, I was gobsmacked when it was red.

Other than that I thought we looked like a bunch of bottling cunts with no sense of urgency in the second half. Utter crap. I'm pretty pissed off.

 I was reasonably encouraged we matched them in the first half, until my mate reminded me they only had 10 men. I know that doesn't always tell straight away but it made no difference even as the game went on.

And individual mistakes continue to haunt us. I know you can't coach that out of people, but we are not talking about isolated incidents now, it's 5 or 6 in the last two home games.



Title: Re: Shit
Post by: JPC82 on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:46:58
Smith played at MK and was at fault for their goal, played at Hereford and for some fucking reason runs miles past the post after the ball hits the post and doesnt try to dive to save it when it was put in, and was at fault today, Brez made 1 mistake where he missed his kick against colchester


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: michael on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:48:58
I don't disagree pal. Malpas has made a rod for his own back now. I don't think there's a huge amount of difference in quality between them, but I have Brez slightly ahead.

Carvalho goal...


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Spud on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:51:28
It's ok because all the players will probably be out on the piss tonight.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:51:29
I think your being a bit harsh on us.

We got out played by a better team, a much better team.

They went down to 10 and worked harder, closed us down all the time and didnt let us have time on the ball. Then when the broke they moved the ball well and created space.

We did however, give them two gifts that are unexcusable. I can safely say I would have delt with both of those!! but mistakes happen. It suddenly doesnt make Smith a bad keeper or Ifil a bad defender, a guy sat a few rows behind me wanted Ifil to rot in the reserves and never ever play for us again  ::)

Red card was never a red card, ref was a fucking joke all game.

We played alright in patches but we hoofed it long way too often. Play it to Paynters feet for a change!

I thought Amankwaah and Smith as the full backs did alright. I think Aljofree did alright to. Without those mistakes it would have been a more even game.

You have to question why these mistakes occur? as for Smith....yes he fucked up, no defending him.....but so did Brez last home game but all that seems forgotton now?!

I have to say the new people who sit around me I official hate, they are fucking stupid, dont have a clue and I could have swung for some of them today. Going home listening to the text being sent into radio swindon pissed me off. Do only retards text in?

Some moaning at Malpas for playing 4-5-1 and Paynter in midfield?! Someone saying Easton is light weight and not good enough then the usual JPM & Aljofree rubbish.

All of them wanting Malpas sacked, we are not even 10 games into the fucking season and we've lost a game to one of the best teams in the league who will probably win the whole damn thing.

Texts about people wont pay the second installment, well dont fuck off I dont care....I'd rather most of the new season ticket holders didnt come back. Amount of new twats I sit by!!!

On the bright side at least we're not Oxford or Gillingham......rant over!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: JPC82 on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:52:47
DV Smith has fucked up in nearly every game hes played this season, its not 1 incident


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: michael on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:52:56
It's ok because all the players will probably be out on the piss tonight.

They actually are all out on the piss tonight as it is Easton's missus' 30th birthday.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:53:35
DV Smith has fucked up in nearly every game hes played this season, its not 1 incident

So has Brez, whats your point?

Shall we try Peacock in goal next week?


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:54:31
Shall we try Peacock in goal next week?

Give Adi Williams the gloves. He's got a 100% clean sheet record.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: JPC82 on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:54:45
we mentioned the colchester mistake, what other total howlers has brez made this season that led to goals?


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Batch on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:56:23
They went down to 10 and worked harder, closed us down all the time and didnt let us have time on the ball.

Which is inexcusable really. We can get out played, but with 11 v 10 men we should never be out fought.



Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:57:10
we mentioned the colchester mistake, what other total howlers has brez made this season that led to goals?

Should have saved the second one at Cheltenham.....was straight at him!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: michael on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:58:12
Even DV would have saved that one at Cheltenham


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: JPC82 on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:58:32
a header from 2yards out? hardly his fault, maybe morrison should have marked his man instead of going walkies


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 16:59:41
at least brez can catch the fucking ball.dv ifil is indefensable today(no pun intended)he was fucking dire.touch=shit,passing=shit,his mis judgement today was embarrasing for the bloke.even without the mistake for the goal he was awful.his level is lower-mid table league 1 at best.i have a better touch and passing range seriously.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: michael on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:01:18
Right, so far we've got DV in goal and Arriba at the back. Any other takers?


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:03:16
I'm pretty good at leaning against the side of the dugout.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:03:32
brez would have tried punching that free kick anyway.

I think the thing that highlights our weakness today was timlin near the end. we had a defensive throw in near the corner flag, think we may have been 3 down by that point. But instead of going forwards, timlin drops back in line with the defence. We have absolutly no urgency from midfield at all. These pretty triangles are all well and good, but i'd rather we win first. Make us hard to beat then make us play good stuff, not the other eay round.

And i think smith has done something similar before from a free kick, though that might be my memory decieving me.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:04:38
  DV speaks good sense...unlike some on here.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:05:25
Right, so far we've got DV in goal and Arriba at the back. Any other takers?

Im no goal keeper or footballing expert.....but lets be honest. That free kick was straight at him and from angle in the DR and I can not understand how the fuck he managed to miss it. I just cant.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:06:20
No sense today reg


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:06:32
I'll take right wing, as every time i looked there, we didn't seem to have anyone


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:07:24
Im no goal keeper or footballing expert.....but lets be honest. That free kick was straight at him and from angle in the DR and I can not understand how the fuck he managed to miss it. I just cant.

He didn't miss it, it bounced out of his grip.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:07:44
Its what your taught when your five - get your body behind the ball. No matter what. Basic elementray mistake


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:07:45
Also, can I add the highlight of the match...

anyway under be known to him STFC Dave sits a few rows in front of me.....sat directly behind Dave was a younger child who was a spitting image of what i'd image Dave to look like when he was 7.

It was like looking into a weird time machine mirror thing.

Dave sat there 18 with his ginger hair and brown/grey jacket. 8 year old kid with ginger hair and the same colour jacket sat behind him....



Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:08:20
haha ace


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: michael on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:08:49
The sun was in his eyes!

 8)


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:14:21
  DV speaks good sense...unlike some on here.

i think all posts in this thread thus far are fair enough.
dont agree with all of it but basis to all points


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: STFC Village on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:15:00
Bizarrely I thought we weren't too bad, in general play. You just can't gift the opposition goals, which we continuosly do. 

 
I completely agree Reg.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: sonic youth on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:25:41
Bizarrely I thought we weren't too bad, in general play. You just can't gift the opposition goals, which we continuosly do. 

 
exactly my thoughts. ignoring the errors, it was an even game against a team that'll probably get promoted.

malpas' team selection and tactics were right - play two wingers at home in a four four two formation... you can't account for individual errors.

we just need to find out why these mistakes keep happening and put a stop to them. once we solve that, we'll be fine. not much that malpas can do when the mistakes are so elementary on the pitch.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: red_army on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:28:34
It was never a Red but Leeds could have had 8 men today and still beat us.

It was a two footed tackle ...... Red every time, especially when its Leeds :>)


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:29:26
Delph is only 17!!!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:29:28
exactly my thoughts. ignoring the errors, it was an even game against a team that'll probably get promoted.

malpas' team selection and tactics were right - play two wingers at home in a four four two formation... you can't account for individual errors.

we just need to find out why these mistakes keep happening and put a stop to them. once we solve that, we'll be fine. not much that malpas can do when the mistakes are so elementary on the pitch.

 At least these blunders have been spread around a bit....maybe the players involved will have made their blooper for the  season now. :cloud9:


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:31:09
On that note. I though Amankwaah looked pretty good today both defending and for the most part going forward.....probably just me though.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: sonic youth on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:31:31
Delph is only 17!!!
bit good isn't he?

not been that impressed with an opposition player at the CG for many a year


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:33:01
i agree about the selections,i would have done exactly the same.3 individual errors for the goal but we never looked like winning or even getting a point.yeah we did ok sort of, but even against 10 men we were totally the lesser side.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: red_army on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:34:40
On that note. I though Amankwaah looked pretty good today both defending and for the most part going forward.....probably just me though.


How did Coxy get the MOM today ??- Anyone care to explain ?!!?
 :doh:


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Luci on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:34:53
On that note. I though Amankwaah looked pretty good today both defending and for the most part going forward.....probably just me though.


I agree with you.  Much improved.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:35:23
i agree about the selections,i would have done exactly the same.3 individual errors for the goal but we never looked like winning or even getting a point.yeah we did ok sort of, but even against 10 men we were totally the lesser side.

...but...how much of that is us being crap and Leeds being good.

I agree with what you said, today we were the lesser side however personally I put that down more to do with Leeds being good and little bit of us being bad.

Of course the goals were silly stupid mistakes and are totally our fault.....but we got out played (ok by 10 men) but we got out played by a better team.

If it had been Tranmere or Stockport I'd certainly be more pissed off!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:37:42
How did Coxy get the MOM today ??- Anyone care to explain ?!!?
 :doh:

because he scored init!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:38:38
At no stage today did leeds look a side that had 10 men


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:39:45
i agree dv,they are just better than us in all departments.but our defence is fragile to say the least.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: red_army on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:42:44
because he scored init!

So did smithy ....  Sort of :>)


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:48:21
Amankwa improved today, still scratchin my head over inclusion of jpm and why only 2 subs


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:50:01
I did wonder why we didnt bring on our 3rd striker and go 3 up top. Then I realised the 3rd striker was Peacock....

Would Mark Scott, Sean Morrison or Lee Peacock made any difference?


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: my-velocity on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:51:53
Both teams didn't deserve their wages today end of, yes there was some good performances by individuals..yes our goal was good but at the end of the day if you give three goals away you deserve to lose. Leeds were not good at all, they probably felt relieved we gifted goals.
Smith's blunder was the turning point, why isn't brez playing (suspected shoulder injury, bullshit?).
Malpas couldn't even get changes right, Easton was doing good and so was McGovern..don't try and fix something which isn't broken. Marshall came on didn't do nothing..and Timlin didn't do much although he did play well for the limited time he was given.
The club has shot itself in the foot with this second instalment thing..how many fans are going to pay? I'm thinking i would rather put that money to a charity..at least you'll see results.
Anyways everyone have a good night, football isn't the only thing we have to entertain ourselves. Drink is another way. :)

Take it easy..

Jay


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:53:47
I didn't have a perfect view of the red card incident but it seemed harsh. Having said that the ref tried to make up for it by booking everybody who moved on either team from then on. Atleast eh was consistent I suppose.

My basic opinion is that Reg was right, we were ok but gave away stupid goals. We were playing against 10 men, we wasted 3 or 4 good chances, and we gave 3 Andrex soft goals away. Ifil was at fault for the first, Smith for the second, and was it Aljofree for the third? Whoever it was, we made it far too easy for Leeds today by beign complacent and not seeing any need to score goals. At 5.45 there were still 10 minutes to play and we'd given up. That pissed me off more than anything.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:55:49
 the idiot on the mike is an embarassment too. "welcome back onto the stage our visitors leeds united"
"who is cheering for the team in red"
"we need these 2 points".
and i thought the other bloke who retired was bad.come back all is forgiven!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:56:15
On that note. I though Amankwaah looked pretty good today both defending and for the most part going forward.....probably just me though.

Yep, agreed, Amankwaah was very good. J.Smith did okay also.

I had a Preston fan, a Leeds fan and a 'neutral' fan come along with me today, and they each thought we looked a good side and occassionally played some nice stuff. Cut out the stupid mistakes then we're mid table/play off bound.

Overall, mistakes cost us today...it happens...move on...


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Batch on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:56:19
i agree dv,they are just better than us in all departments.but our defence is fragile to say the least.

That and exactly the same things happened against Colchester, who I'd say were average.

Individual mistakes aside we don't look like we want it enough.  I'm not sure who is to blame, manager, players, staff or just plain old cofidence.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: tans on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:57:58
I didn't have a perfect view of the red card incident but it seemed harsh. Having said that the ref tried to make up for it by booking everybody who moved on either team from then on. Atleast eh was consistent I suppose.

My basic opinion is that Reg was right, we were ok but gave away stupid goals. We were playing against 10 men, we wasted 3 or 4 good chances, and we gave 3 Andrex soft goals away. Ifil was at fault for the first, Smith for the second, and was it Aljofree for the third? Whoever it was, we made it far too easy for Leeds today by beign complacent and not seeing any need to score goals. At 5.45 there were still 10 minutes to play and we'd given up. That pissed me off more than anything.

Are you sure? At 5.45 i was nearly at home...


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:58:15
Leeds were not good at all, they probably felt relieved we gifted goals.
Smith's blunder was the turning point, why isn't brez playing (suspected shoulder injury, bullshit?).
Malpas couldn't even get changes right, ..don't try and fix something which isn't broken.
Leeds played alright. Especially considering they had 10 men for 80 minutes. We just didn't fight back.
Brez is injured. There's no way MM would drop him from the bench for any other reason.
Don't try and fix something which isn't broken? We had played for an hour against 10 men and were losing. Pretty broken if you ask me. I think Malpas used his subs well today. People have been asking for Marshall and Macca all week, today we see it and it's a stupid idea just because we lost?

Ah well. On to Stockport. Might save myself a LOT of money and stay at home.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 17:58:31
Are you sure? At 5.45 i was nearly at home...
Oops!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:00:55
Malpas couldn't even get changes right, Easton was doing good and so was McGovern..don't try and fix something which isn't broken. Marshall came on didn't do nothing.

I don't agree with this at all.....Easton was poor by his standards, so was rightly taken off, and JPM had yet another crap game imo....He's a winger yet he was marking Nalis/Easton in the centre far too often.... ::)


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:04:01
despite all our shortcomings,lets get real here,leeds will go up for sure.a very good unit all round.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:05:11
yeah, we lost to the best team in the league....MALPAS OUT!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:06:41
i aint even looked on the other site but how anyone could blame malpas for today would be insane.he picked the right team.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:10:41
Disagree arriba, why change a team thats unbeaten


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: tans on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:11:44
I saw Fatbury at the end of the game.

Malpas aint so magic to him now!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:12:20
I think our big downfall was the communicattion between our two centre backs today....Niether of them knew who should be marking Beckford....So in the end Beckford either flicked the header on without being challenged, or had been given the space to run onto the ball....At least one of them man mark him, and the other be the spare man in situations such as this.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:12:54
I dont know why we had four men at the back when they only had one up front


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: michael on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:13:00
Who is the broad in your picture Phil?


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:13:46
Disagree arriba, why change a team thats unbeaten

because we were the home team, and were set up to take the game to them.didn't work out mind


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:14:58
Who is the broad in your picture Phil?
Hayley Williams - Lead singer of the band Paramore ;)


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:16:01
'band' is stretching it a bit..


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:17:05
'band' is stretching it a bit..
oooooooooooo


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:20:24
Also, lets give credit to their keeper a few good saves.

I thought Cox had scored that header right after Leeds second...


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:25:04
Also, lets give credit to their keeper a few good saves.

I thought Cox had scored that header right after Leeds second...

Think we all did. Amazing save.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:33:36
Poor performance, but lets not get carried away. Leeds are a very good side, 11 men or 10, with a very good manager. Success for them is winning the league, no less - for us it's top ten and flirting with the play-offs.

That aside, our lot still need a kick up the arse. Macca got no space and often had 3, rather than the usual 2 on him - but that left ony 7 men, 6 outfield, elsewhere for them. We couldn't exploit the space at all.

Smith was poor, Jerel was uncharacteristically poor....but would anybody have picked a different side going in at 3pm? Some may have picked Brez but he was poor a couple of weeks back.

Put today down to experience. Many more games like that and we worry about it, but not a one-off vs Leeds.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 18:35:54
OK i'm going to post reasonably here. Or at least i'm going to try to. Part of me is really pissed off and wants to question Malpas. How many fucking times do we see these pathetic mistakes made? It really does cost us. And against 10 men we showed no fight and no passion. Really bugs the out shit of me. Why didn't we really go at them? Why did it look like no one gave a fuck except Cox?

On the other hand Leeds did really well with 10 men. They looked a class apart really. But Ifil was dreadful today. Our defence as a unit was really poor as well. Leeds are a good side and will do well this season. There is no shame in losing a game at home to them. They had luck as well. How Cox didn't score that header i will not know. World class save from their keeper. But after that we backed off. We need more passion, more urgency and to cut out these silly mistakes or it will be a long hard season. Plus points were Aljofree, Amankwaah, Cox and Macca. Rest were poor.

Overall no point in pushing the panic button yet. Malpas should get at least 4 more games. Something is wrong though and that needs to be rectified pretty quickly or a long season awaits us.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: pauld on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 19:03:59
And against 10 men we showed no fight and no passion. Really bugs the out shit of me. Why didn't we really go at them? Why did it look like no one gave a fuck except Cox?
That was what got me - I don't mind losing against a better side, or even an average side that just got the rub of the green but I can't stand that sort of gutless display. We looked like rabbits in headlights for most of the game, whether against 11 or 10 men and we'd have looked no better against 8.

Aside from that, the lad who got sent off went in two-footed, both feet off the ground. That's a red.

And while I'd agree with the selection point about playing with two wingers it's not a lot of use if they don't actually get out on the wing. JPM in particular seemed to just drift around the centre. And no I'm not one of the regular JPM boo-boys, I think he takes a lot of the same undeserved flak we've seen far too many others take in recent years, which really pisses me off, but he just looked like he didn't know where or what he was supposed to be doing today.

Meh, it's only one game but the attitude and lack of fight was a real low point for me today


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 19:08:40
That was what got me - I don't mind losing against a better side, or even an average side that just got the rub of the green but I can't stand that sort of gutless display. We looked like rabbits in headlights for most of the game, whether against 11 or 10 men and we'd have looked no better against 8.

Aside from that, the lad who got sent off went in two-footed, both feet off the ground. That's a red.

And while I'd agree with the selection point about playing with two wingers it's not a lot of use if they don't actually get out on the wing. JPM in particular seemed to just drift around the centre. And no I'm not one of the regular JPM boo-boys, I think he takes a lot of the same undeserved flak we've seen far too many others take in recent years, which really pisses me off, but he just looked like he didn't know where or what he was supposed to be doing today.

Meh, it's only one game but the attitude and lack of fight was a real low point for me today

Summed it up well there Paul.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 19:15:41
i disagree with pauld i'm afraid.the fight was there,the quality,composure and confidence wasn't.
take easton for example.he always gives his all but today was one of the worst games i've seen him play.no lack of effort on his part, just a dire day for him.i think its the same for all of them.it was blatantly obvious that the front two worked their socks off today too.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Rich Pullen on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 19:23:51
It's made more annoying by the fact that we read articles and listen to interviews of our players saying that they are relishing coming up against Leeds United and this is the performance they create especially when it can be argued that the Hereford performance was effected by this fixture. The mind boggles.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 19:45:33
Rignhr then its over 3 hours after the game and I've calmed down a bit to where my rage is just volcanic and my blood pressure off the Richter scale. We were fucking shit and gutless. Leeds won for 3 reasons. One - reputation. Two - they were physical. Three - they were organised. All in all I thuoght Leeds were pretty crap other than 15 but they were organised and they knew we'd bottle it if they flew into the tackles. I'd excuse the frontl ine as they ran their balls off. The midfield was a fucking disgrace - Easton and JPM you should be fucking ashamed of yourselves. JPM hiding in the centre as usual and Esaton was bollox. Nalis did more running than both of you. The defence is a fucking shambles and yet again where are our leaders. Aljofree you were useless but better than Jerel and its no good blaming everyone aruond you when you fucked up for the 3rd goal.
We are a team of absolute fucking bottlers and some are not fit to wear the shirt.  Leeds created absoltely shit all - we gave them all 3 goals.
I said I'd give Malpas until X mas but I'm not sure mow. There are too many fuck ups going on all around the pitch and our biggest bottlers are getting picked week after week. Pitch Morrison in.
I am so fucked off its unreal. My family are just keeping clear of me.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: I 8 Razor on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 20:30:37
Morrison is NOT the answer.Dont know what is mind.Perhaps Vincent as centre-half when he's fit


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: leefer on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:05:04
Our midfield is just not up to scratch,our front players played well today...Cox was superb,ok our defence was poor but that was down to individual errors...we need a midfield thats prepared to run at players not just sit and scrap,and keep giving the ball to Mcmanee who incidently put some great balls in..we played like the away team today,did our midfield have a shot on goal today,i cant remember one,whether its the pace or lack of fitness Nalis was poor today and i thaught the big match would suit him.....it could be a long season ime afraid.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:07:43
nalis wasn't poor at all !!!!
first half he was our best player easily.fuck me i only wish he was 10 years younger


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: sonic youth on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:09:48
nalis is awesome and has consistently been so since he signed.



Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Spencer_White on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:11:09
I thought Leeds had great organisation in their back 4 today, and Beckford up front today. That was it. But we were well beaten.

This is for Town fans consumption only (Leeds will think it is sour grapes). But that was just a shambles again today at the back. The defence is an utter disgrace. This is not just todays mistakes, ive been saying it a while. Weve got a great attack and the worst defensive unit ive seen. We are going nowhere this season.

Im glad Timlin was dropped. But it still didnt stop the rest of the team BOTTLING their self appointed cup final. Weve had plenty of opportunity of loosing to Leeds thanks lads. No big deal anymore.

To all the Town fans who came for the first time this season - dont come back. Fuck off.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:14:47
We've not had a good centre midfielder since Stigger. Morrison may not be the answer but he's better than that cunt Aljofree whose got his last contract and can do what he fucking wants and pull in his wages. He is a cunt who couldn't care less about STFC. JPM is also a cunt who is also a lazy cunt. Drop both these pieces of shit and put in the youngsters. In fact just name a team of 9 and 2 bollards.
Vincent takes a lot of stick and I support those who say he say he's shit going forward. I love the guy. He's a defender who knows how to defend and organise and encourage those aruond him. We miss him so badly.
At this moment I fucking hate the majority of the players and I hope that they are having as shit a Saturday night as I'm having but I doubt it.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: leefer on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:19:15
Naliswas poor,no lack of effort but we need more than that...did he get over the halfway line?
Has he had a shot on goal,we need attacking midfielders,or at least one attacking,we were obviously watching a different match.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:19:45
no, you are just wrong leefer.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: leefer on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:22:00
To be fair Chalkies Howard was quality,ran at players,good at set pieces,scored good goals.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Spencer_White on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:23:13
Nalis is a holding midfielder and he does pretty well at it.

He's still slow, but he gets the job done and his pass completion must be better than all of our other midfielders,


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: leefer on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:24:25
OK arriba....me and lots of others eh,none of our team played well in the first half,they were pants.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:26:06
I thought Nalis played well.

Morrison isnt the answer, he played against Cheltenham and got slated then. We're never happy. If we had Rio Ferdinand and John Terry in defence and we conceeded a goal loads of people would claim John Terry isnt the answer ans they would want Jamie Carragher!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: sonic youth on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:26:32
OK arriba....me and lots of others eh,none of our team played well in the first half,they were pants.

cox, paynter and nalis played well in the first half.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: leefer on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:32:05
I like Nalis,hes composed,disciplined and can pass well,but at home you need more than that if players like Easton dont even smell the eighteen yard box...ware nearly 10 games in yet i havnt seen him have a shot in anger let alone score,that said i wouldnt drop him....i just dont think he played that well today....if ime wrong i can live with that it wont be the first or last time.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:32:46
Nalis scored last home game, although it was disallowed.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:34:09
if some people cannot see that nalis is class, then i'm at a loss to explain what is glaringly obvious to me.
the bloke reads the game brilliantly,he doesn't need to go running all over the pitch.
as sonic said, he and the front two played well today.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: leefer on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:42:42
I agreed about the front two .....Cox was superb,my gripe today was that our whole midfield including Nalis were too deep and too negative,you keep saying he is class but the stats are not saying that this season Arriba,hes not shooting,hes not scoring,in my opinion hes doing ok at best......i prefer a midfielder who does run all over the pitch.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:44:32
if some people cannot see that nalis is class, then i'm at a loss to explain what is glaringly obvious to me.
the bloke reads the game brilliantly,he doesn't need to go running all over the pitch.
as sonic said, he and the front two played well today.

I also thought the full backs were good.

Overall I dont think we were that bad, Colchester & Cheltenham were definitely worse....just today we made the worst mistakes!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: michael on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:46:29
Running all over the pitch is what Easton does Leefer, you can't have two central midfielders going box to box!

For me Nalis and Easton are the first choice midfield pairing, and then attack on the wings. And on that subject as good as his crossing is I'd like to see Macnamee hit the box more often and tempt the tackle. All over the park we need to be a lot smarter.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: sonic youth on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:47:55
I also thought the full backs were good.

not good in my opinion but thought both looked steady, amankwaah seems to be getting more solid.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: leefer on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:52:07
To be fair,that save the keeper made from Cox was brilliant,think that was the turning point.....it might be just me but i just think we go out more worried about the opponents and there strenghts rather than playing to our own,ime gutted as they wernt no great shakes and we always seem to gift teams thewin rather than saying well they were better than us....Colchester aside.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: pauld on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:53:35
i disagree with pauld i'm afraid.the fight was there,the quality,composure and confidence wasn't.
take easton for example.he always gives his all but today was one of the worst games i've seen him play.no lack of effort on his part, just a dire day for him.i think its the same for all of them.it was blatantly obvious that the front two worked their socks off today too.
I'd agree about the front two, but you clearly saw something in the rest of them I just didn't. Meh, "it's a game of opinions" and all that. We can certainly agree on the lack of quality, composure and confidence though


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 21:58:23
not good in my opinion but thought both looked steady, amankwaah seems to be getting more solid.

bit more confidence on his final ball and he looks a good attacking full back. would even be tempted if we could have Smith at RB and Kev at RW.

im sure hes played wing back before!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: dell boy on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 22:15:22
For what it is worth I'v read most of the comments on this thread and here's mine:
Phil Smith - no comment reallay needed, question why wasn't Brez on the bench today?
Jack Smith - thought he was one of the few who was not worried about the Leeds reputation, solid good game
Kevin Amankwaah - looked class going forward, couldn't defend for toffee
Jerel Ifil - lost interest, couldn't pass, was fucking awful, needs to be dropped and hung by the bollocks for a week
Hasney Aljofree - I thought he had a decent game, he needed to with Ifil next to him
Anthony McNamee - whenever he got the ball in the later stages of the first and most of the second he looked a great option and a continued threat, a few crosses went astray, but decent game
Lilian Nails - great vision when on the ball, but his legs wont carry him through a game to be competitive in the centre of mid, he needs a fighter to play along side him or this creative player will just be a passenger without assistance
Craig Easton - was he playing?
Jon-Paul McGovern - feel a bit sorry for him, never gets the service, asked to defend when he doesn't have a clue how too, comes inside looking for the ball and never receives even a crumb.
Simon Cox - great finish, worked his socks off
Billy Paynter - never been his biggest fan, thought he was superb today (again), brought players into the game, held the ball well - my man of the match
Timlin didnt have enough time to really influence the game
Marshall should have been sent off after only being on the pitch for minutes, not his best but the lad has talent.

Haven't really done this assessment thing before, I'm sure loads will disagree with my views, but well, there you go.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: DV on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 22:17:04
Brez has a shoulder injury according to Malpas.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: axs on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 22:22:02
Shit.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 22:23:56
dell boy.cannot argue with that, good summing up imo.thought nalis was mom myself though


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: leefer on Saturday, September 13, 2008, 22:24:18
Fair enough Dell,though i would have given MOM to Cox,Smith has looked pretty solid this season...and JPM is NOT a defensive player,i cant fathom why MM keeps playing him there.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:28:37
Agree about Paynter. Worked his arse off today and it pisses me off how people can't see what he brings to the team


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:33:11
Paynter has impressed me hugely


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: sonic youth on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 11:57:32
wasn't impressed with paynter last season after the first few games but he is playing very well and has a good partnership with cox...he'd be even better if defenders didn't constantly try and rip his shirt off, hold him back and pretty much try to slip their cock up his arse.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 12:04:46
Agree even in pre season he did not impress me but i am big enough to admit i could of been a bit premature and not for the 1st time


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 12:15:48
I actually thought Paynter wasn't at his best yesterday. I have been a big fan of his since he joined us and i have always said he and Cox play well together. Always thought he was good last season even if i was the only one. Yesterday he worked hard (he always does) but just seemed a little of the ball.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 12:46:44
We'll be going down if we're not too careful. I thought we were making inroads into playing better when we won at MK, but I fear that may have papered over the cracks.

Cox and Macca will be gone at the end of the season too. That's unless we start improving in the run up to Christmas. I've been supportive of Malpas because he deserved a chance. But now he has 4 games to win me over. My conclusion will be that he isn't good enough if we don't improve within that period.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: wiggy on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 12:57:12
I actually thought Paynter wasn't at his best yesterday. I have been a big fan of his since he joined us and i have always said he and Cox play well together. Always thought he was good last season even if i was the only one. Yesterday he worked hard (he always does) but just seemed a little of the ball.

I rate Paynter too, but there are a couple of things he should work on:

1. stop looking for free kicks by getting caught up in senseless tangles with defenders and going down a bit too easy.
2. When going on a run with the ball, looking up can be an advantage.

In fairness to him, yesterday he looked for the lay off to the right wing a few times only to see a huge gaping void where JP should have been.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 14:19:20
wasn't impressed with paynter last season after the first few games

The first few games when he scored 5 in 2?


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: sonic youth on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 14:37:25
yeah. i wasn't impressed in games he played subsequent to that... perhaps my expectations were too high after a superb start


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 14:38:56
I suppose. I get the impression paynters a little like a lower league heskey. If we played a more direct style with him as our focal point we may get more success i feel


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: sonic youth on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 14:40:00
his biggest problem isn't of his own making - defenders absolutely murder him and get away with it.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: glos_robin on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 14:41:45
his biggest problem isn't of his own making - defenders absolutely murder him and get away with it.
I think he must have a bit of a reputation with referees and as a result treat him badly.......don't know what he has done to get this reputation though. I think the best example of this was Crewe last season where he was sent off for a bit of a nothing challenge.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: leefer on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 15:17:26
Hes a player suited to route one football which we dont play as a rule,i would have him as man up front on his own and have Cox and maybe young Joyce playing just behind...Cox was almost a midfielder for us yesterday anyway...he earns his money does Cox.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Scot Munroe on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 15:23:01
his biggest problem isn't of his own making - defenders absolutely murder him and get away with it.

Colchester game he got absolute battered by the 2 centre backs and got nothing out of it. if we do play route one he nees to be a bit of a bully.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 15:24:41
Hes at his best when running into channels and hurrying and harrasing the defenders. We did this for a ten minute spell in the first half yesterday and made their defence look abit nervy and shakey


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Scot Munroe on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 15:27:33
Hes at his best when running into channels and hurrying and harrasing the defenders. We did this for a ten minute spell in the first half yesterday and made their defence look abit nervy and shakey

him and Cox do that pretty well. when Paynter did that he made Rui Marques look very nervy.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 15:27:52
the forwards are fine currently,they are working well together and nothing needs to be done with them at all imo.if it aint broken and all that......


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Arnold.J.Rimmer on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 16:31:31
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-OafVd9gP0


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 16:34:26
Oh joy :(


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 17:43:13
Northern fucking wankers


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, September 14, 2008, 18:12:30
Now thats really depressing.

Thanks for that!


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Ralphy on Monday, September 15, 2008, 15:47:14
Right, so far we've got DV in goal and Arriba at the back. Any other takers?

I reckon I'd play better at right back than A wank mag or whatever his name is.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Monday, September 15, 2008, 17:57:53
I reckon I'd play better at right back than A wank mag or whatever his name is.

From what's been said here and other match threads I'd say me and Bangkok could do a better job as CB's without leaving home.

Maybe we could surprise the opposition by having a rush goalie?


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, September 15, 2008, 18:00:32
Or by turning up


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: blinkpip on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 08:36:06
Video no longer available. boo.


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 08:45:35
What was it?


Title: Re: Shit
Post by: larwood on Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 15:01:01
What was it?
Leeds supporters going mental when they scored against us.

Hate to admit it but from where i was sat Saturday the mentalness was most impressive :-[