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Just been watching MOTD and what a fool Di Canio is making himself look, at the end of the game he walked over towards the sunderland fans and started staring and making chin up gestures to them. I think he's way out od his debt and some of the sunderland fans were singing your getting sacked in he morning. Should have stayed at the town :clap:

If he had we would be bust!

For all of the fun we had with him at the time, looking back he was spoilt and when he couldn't get his way any more engineered his own exit.

The fact that he then ended up jumping straight into the Prem, with his limited experience with us, was nothing short of an insult to all those managers who have spent years working their way up the ladder.

Hardly surprising then that his tactics which worked to a degree in  L2 ain't having much effect up there.

He slags his players off in public which us fine if you ain't relying on them to keep you in the job - he has got a lot to learn about man management I feel.

Not our problem any more so funny as fuck to watch the meltdown, and the fact it's Sunderland makes it even better!

his me me me atitude wont last long at a big club the bookies got it right at the start of the season first manager to go in the Prem.

Fucking hell. 

I'm no Di Canio lover by any stretch of the imagination but this was the sort of stuff that we, as a fanbase, used to wank over when he did it.

Would we have loved it if we rooted to thwe foot of the table after a 3-0 defeat?

I think so.  The general enthusiasm and passionate post match displays were being lapped up when we were a little bit rubbish after his first 5 or 6 games.

Granted that's not rock bottom but still

I don't think Robbie Savage & Mark Lawrenson go much on him

We were not telling Di Canio to fuck off though were we?  Their fans have very quickly fallen out of love with him!

Twenty years ago, he may well have succeeded at the top level.  His philosophy of complete and unquestioning dedication to his methods and the cause and focus on fitness might just have worked with players in the 1980s and early 1990s.  But the players hold too many of the cards now.  When Di Canio was explaining yesterday that his squad was fragmented, it sounded to me as if they had simply not bought in to his ideas.

His methods could well succeed at Championship level...getting a club like Blackpool up, as Holloway did, for example.  But I'm not sure that would be enough for him now.  He'll be back as a pundit on Italian TV before long.

I think the difference is, while he was here he was probably the biggest name we'd had at the club since Glen Hoddle. He could make it all about him and everyone loved it, even when the initial results were a bit ropey.

At a Premiership club, that's never going to work, especially with the extra media attention. The cult of personality that got him through a few tight spots here is falling very flat there.

That's probably a positive for Di Canio then and no doubt the feeling is mutual.

its good to watch, entertaining.

Has he actually blamed any players aside from O'Shea after their first game? Listening to the radio yesterday, they were talking about how he was shouldering the blame himself and standing up for his players. I may have misheard...

LG 2...wasn't we top of LG 1 when he left?

If you dont like him fair enough but the short time he spent here was full of fun passion and no lack of good results.
Can remember him having a dig at us fans at one point for whinging,if you are a fan who likes to slag a person(rightly or wrongly)...dont go crying to mummy when that person stands his ground and basicly tells you to shut the fuck up...being a manager he cannot actually say that of course.

No.

We went top after winning the day after he threw his toys out of the pram

He might as well have been in charge for that game, his assistant/coaches were just carrying out his exact instructions. I don't think it's unreasonable to credit him for taking us to the top.

It didn't matter in the end anyway

And yet people thought K Mac did a decent job.....

So hat do you think DMR

Sooo pleased that mad fucker is no longer with us. Its nice to talk about Swindon Town and the team and not DiCanio`s Swindon Town. He needs to go home now.....

Put aside the "stand in the middle of the pitch gesticulating strangely at own fans" thing, which seems to have been relatively well intentioned, his slightly mad staring eyes make it look like he's being aggressive but looking at it again I don't think that's what he's up to.

What we have is a poor start to the season after having built a completely new side. That's pretty much the story for every season that PDC has been a manager isn't it? the start of the Div. 4 title winning season was a bit of a car crash. Start of last season wasn't great either. Given that I think it's a bit early to judge.

If I had to make a prediction though I think Sunderland will struggle this season. That "throw away the whole first team and buy a new one" approach might work when you're at one of the biggest clubs in the league you're competing in, with one of the biggest budgets, but Sunderland are a long way from being that. 

And the man management style is likely to work less well on premiership players.

Wasn't it? Third at the end of August and a fine win at Premier League Stoke.

You are making it up as you go along.

A 3-0 win on Di Canio's debut was a decent start as well

That's pretty selective. Only counting the first 3 league games of last season as "the start of the season" is bit of a desperate way to make a point even for you.

We went on the lose the next two. Meaning in the first five games (the amount of games Sunderland have played so far) we won two, lost two and drew one. You think that's a great start?

Ok better than the previous year, when we lost then four of the first five, including being beaten at home by fucking Oxford. Why Sonic thinks beating Crewe 3-0 makes up for losing to  them, Cheltenham, Shrewsbury and Dagenham in successive league games I don't know.

You say I'm making it up? Pair of twats.

Ok, we were 4th at the end of September and in that month knocked a Championship club out of the cup. Having just got back into League 1, yes, I would say that was a great start.

You're aware that the premier league kicks off significantly later than the FL surely? And my post was comparing SUNDERLANDS start to this season with PDC's starts to previous seasons here.

THEY HAVE PLAYED 5 GAMES! They have 1 point. Two seasons ago after five games we had 3 points and went on to win the league under PDC. Last season after five games we were 11th on 7 points and finished top 6 (even after all the disruption of a change of board and manager).

Hence it might be a little early to judge this season. Talking about how well we were doing after 10 or 11 games is a bit fucking irrelevant. How fucking thick are you?

Shit, there have been many threads on here that have discussed without any argument that our starts under PDC have been slow and the seasons improved gradually. Why that's suddenly such a controversial opinion I don't know. Fuck off and amuse yourself some other way.

Sky italia reckon he might be sacked tomorrow with Di Matteo replacing him

Did anyone suggest otherwise?  :headhurts:

I didn't say that it did.

Are you capable of having a discussion without instantly becoming aggressive and abusive?

I don't know, why don't you start one and we'll see?

It's quite entertaining seeing him go off one, poke him a bit more

Everyone knows lumps is a mouthy cunt. But he likes children and animals and loves his mum, so he's not all bad.

Nevermind.

Lumps being a cunt as usual.

Aye, agree. PDC acted like a chap playing a computer game - "damn I fucked up, let's start again", only in football league terms it's with someone else's money...

Some right angry bastards on here lately. Good stuff  :girlgiggle:

Di canio saying 'he won't change' says it all. This will be his last job in the premiership. Think he'll go to italy next myself

I hope he goes on to be very successful elsewhere - his hard work and dedication deserves that, but if he falls on his arse at Sunderland I'll have a wry smile and chuckle to myself.

I think he had a pretty cushty job as a pundit didn't he? I reckon he'll go and re-join that personally.

Sacked

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Blimey, 5 games, really. Thank fuck we weren't so rash.

The club statement was concise.

http://www.safc.com/news/club-news/2013/september/club-statement

The results last season weren't great for him either. Bloody stupid to sack him so soon after letting him assemble an entire new squad over the summer. He'd probably have got them somewhere in mid table eventually

Absolutely no doubt that his antics at the Hawthorns cost him his job.

Expect he'd have been given more time if he wasn't hell bent on antagonising his own supporters. What a cock.

brought it upon himself. No way would a club the size of sunderland stand for his antics where as for us, he was the big show and brought the cameras here and put us on the map again.

trouble is he thought he was he big show in the perm. as a players yes. as a manager no

It was always possible, given his attitude, that he would be sacked early in to a job.  Obviously here he was indulged for a while and, short term, it worked for us.  He perhaps came across a less patient board at Sunderland - and his behaviour at the end of the WBA was embarrasing.  When you put yourself on a pedestal and win, you look self assured.  When you do it and lose, you look like a knob.  

Best change the locks then

Feel sorry for the bloke with the PDC tattoo tho

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/sunderland-fan-gets-tattoo-paolo-di-canio-knee-051726788.html

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Sacked according to the BBC

Keep up chalkie :)

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Sorry about that but have been stuck on the shitter for the last hour.....and probably the next few hours as well.

So, does he head back to Italy with his tail between his legs or (being an arrogant cock) take a manager's job in the lower leagues to prove he's a great manager again?

I was hoping to read some 'ding-dong the witch is dead' tweets from Sunderland players... However, for the Swindon players from the PDC era, it appears that this news acts as some kind of therapy for them!

Tee he. this is where Sunderland find out the bank account is empty.

Curry tonight then john :I'm a complete mofleakin Deak

Can you see many clubs queuing up to offer him a job after the fallout from his departure here and his record at Sunderland?

Reckon Sheff Wednesday might take a punt on him.

I've just seen a tweet saying that he's been sacked following a bust up on the training ground and to see the Daily Mail and the Mail Online tomorrow for more....although this was from a journo from the Mail, it's possibly/probably bollocks but not out of the realms of possibility...

It was always a car crash waiting to happen, a bit of a rash decision to appoint him there, granted he gained success with us, but at what cost?

Easy dig, I know, but anyone without a serious sugar-daddy should stay well away.

Off to the shiteheads once SOD has been sacked !

Oh that would be sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!

I've heard that he had lost the dressing room and the players were consulting the PFA about PdC's treatment of them.

Saying that, it's his own fault buying a bunch load of foreigners..then moaning that they don't speak a word of English. Obviously never learnt his lessons here.

It's one thing ruling lower league players with an iron fist, but multi millionaires won't put up with it.

Has his backroom staff left as well?

It's obviously not just the results, 5 games in is far too soon to sack a manager.  I would imagine the Chairman and Board have now realised exactly how he ticks and weren't comfortable with it.  It wouldn't surprise me if there's been a bit of a player revolt as well that's forced them to act quickly. They'll potentially now end up trying to offload overpaid players, just like we have.

It's not 5 games is it. 2 wins in 12 and acting like a knobhead aren't going to endear you to anyone

Appears so

Damn...I was looking forward to them resigning 'en masse' in unison like last time.

It's change the locks time !!!

Love this :

Chris Sumpter ‏@chrissumpter80 29m
I hope fans of #SAFC will be reacting to tonight's news by standing outside Di Canio's driveway with a hand underneath their chin. #chinup

Shouldn't laugh.....

Meh, bollocks to it....

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Yes, but I was only including this season, as it's the squad he's actually assembled.

Mark Hughes found another job in the Prem so anything's possible! As others have suggested, Sheff Wed or City are mad enough.

At some point, Wesh Ham might have him.

I hear Michael Appleton is favourite for the job.

He has of course got the excuse that he didn't assemble it, that was the DoF, Roberto De Fanti's job. Actually to be fair it's not even an excuse, it's pretty much the truth.

PDC might have been involved in the clear out process for the squad, but RDF brought in all the players based on the list of requirements for the squad that Paolo gave him.

As most on here know Sunderland are my 2nd team, so mixed emotions again but I'm pretty pleased he's out of there. Reports from family members are that they didn't like him, didn't like the squad he assembled and the fans ran out of patience with him (which maybe a bit fickle after 12 games), but 2 wins in 12, and performances getting worse game by game, selling your best players (Sess), falling out with some of your experienced players (Fletcher) and thinking again your bigger than the club...where have we heard this before? Yes appears Mr Di Canio didn't learn from his mistakes here and as said, it's ok doing it in L1/2 but dealing with egos, owners and fans in the Premier League is a different ball game with much higher expectations!

I can now go to Sunderland games (when I can of course) not feeling awkward with Di Canio as manager...

After Wilson put together a side of apathetic wankers and Hart rubbed salt into the gaping wounds the fucker was a breath of fresh air.
All that posturing and running on the pitch, the away fans hated him and that gave us something else to cheer.

With all the money we threw at it, he pulled it off and took the piss out of Oxford on the way.

But when the wheels fall off at Swindon, the car doesn't just chug into the pits, it explodes into a fireball, cart wheeling into the crowd!

Blacks 'runner' opened a nest of vipers and PDC was one of them.

An ego the size of a small country and an attitude of always being right only surpassed by Mrs Flash (who while I am tapping this is bitching!), was only going to be a disaster when he was faced with a media who smelled blood and players who think they walk on water.

Like Macari at West Ham....the players revolted.

Like Ince at Blackburn, he got found out.

I expect him to move abroad somewhere after he's fucked up again in the UK.

Thanks for the crazy memories PDC....but guess what...you are not God.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2429468/Paolo-Di-Canio-sacked-Sunderland-ANOTHER-bust-players.html

Di Canio will also return to the club’s HQ for the final time Monday to pick up his belongings

Hope they changed the locks or it'll be another midnight raid

What a great end to a fab weekend.....not in the least bit surprised to see he has been sussed out in so few games....shame we didn`t do the same. For some reason Swindon fans look back at his time with us as some sort of amazing era. Given the amount of money he was given I reckon a blind man with a stick could have got us up. He gives a brilliant lexample in how not to manage a football team.....if he gets another job here I will be amazed.....Great start to the week.... ;D

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His record with us against Oxford was P3 W0 L3, wasn't it?

I was pointing to his antics on the pitch mate...

Not the results...still makes me shiver!

Most enjoyable on-pitch era for ages (for me).

League title, twice beating the highest league opposition and multiple other higher league team, Wembley visit, Di Canio goading the opposition fans and the scarf raising. The football wasn't bad either. And it came off the back of a dire season and Paul Hart.

Clearly we can argue whether the cost of all that both financially and human terms (the bust ups, the public slatings, the bomb squad) was worth it. But what an 18 months on the pitch.

 ;D

In time, I think people will look back on all that with some satisfaction.  A little too soon now though.

The other point that occurred to me this morning is that - with him only lasting 6 months and 12 games with Sunderland - his time there is basically little more than a footnote.  He'll be remembered there - win vs Newcastle aside - in much the same way we'll look back on Kevin McDonald (ie not a lot).  If he does go back to Italy, his managerial record in this country will be associated more with what he achieved here.

I cannot believe this has got to six pages. Old ground keeps going over and over. Move on people.

He wasn't even our last manager.

Come on...it's good to remember the good times.

(http://fraserdigbyswashbag.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/di-canio-celebration-v-northampton.jpg?w=305)

Whoever made the ex analogy awhile back pretty much summed it up for me.

Football is a results business. Di canio got away with it here as the results were good. The rumours were there of his arrogance and poor treatment of individuals but the majority of fans didn't care as long as we won.
I don't know whether our players from then deserve credit or pity as they didn't stand up to him mostly. The odd exeptions were soon on their way. Caddis the biggest example as he had the cheek to ask to eat soup instead of pasta which started the whole thing off for his situation. Clarke fed up of being ran into the ground.

Sunderlands lot stood upto his bullying and control and they've had him ousted,no question about that. Will miss seeing him on the tv as he is great entertainment value.

I'm not sure. People tend to remember what you did last and most publically.

What about Hoddle?  Do you remember

(a) promotion to the Premier League, inspirational performances in the number 4 shirt, goal at Wembley; or
(b) Judas/leaving for Chelsea?

I have a strong leaning towards (a), personally.

I think Lumps means the wider footballing audience and not STFC fans?

That's how I read it - an in Ardiles' example I imagine the first thing most people would think of when you mention Hoddle is Eileen Drewery, which kind of proves Lumps' point.

This was fucking cringeworthy. Giving it large after they'd beaten us again (and again).

Brian Clough always maintained that it takes a player some six months to settle properly into a team and got to say that after only five games with a load of new players it is a bit of a knee jerk reaction. However PDC is his own worst enemy and the American money man already had form as a hire and fire person so it was going to happen sooner or later.

Having seen so much dire rubbish over the years at the County Ground I for one will remember him with a fair amount of gratitude.

On his man-management skills, I've seen some experts suggesting that you can't 'rule with an iron fist' at the top level... that is a personality/cultural failure of overpaid Premier league footballers, more so than Di Canio, in my opinion. If managers, refs, and the authorities were more hard-line with players and agents etc, things might be rosier up there and in the national team set up.

But then I really don't like most modern top-level footballers. Give me a load of Thompsons, Wards, Kasims, and McEveleys any day.

I'm not sure this is true. I'm pretty sure SAF had a relatively authoritarian management style, as did Martin O'Neill and quite a few others. It's just you have to bring something else to the table as well.

Players will go along with the shouting and yelling, extra fitness training, discipline and everything if they believe in the plan.

They'll put up with the manager being a media whore if he knows what he's doing on the training pitch, so they know what they're supposed to be doing during games.

They'll even stomach a few of their team mates getting slagged-off in the media and even bounced out of the club if they can be persuaded that "there's an issue with their attitude" and it's best for the team

SAF managed to get away with cutting Beckham's face with a boot chucked around the dressing room in fury, and then selling him on when he was at the peak of his career, and the rest of the team swallowed it and got on with playing because they believed in him.

I think his next job will be in Europe.

It really is pathetic how the ill-informed media still can't resist bringing in Mussolini into their maledictory epitaphs.  Di Canio has likely been well used by Short to keep Sunderland up and to be the fall guy for some summer cost-cutting.  I am a huge admirer of DiCanio but he wears his heart on his sleeve and not really very intelligently - his appeal to the fans yesterday was a real "come and sack me" plea.  If ever a manager needed a strong no. 2 it's PDC.

Cost cutting? Wah?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qORouZ-qOgg

I'm also a bit unconvinced about the idea that the transfer activity has been about saving money. They've paid out in transfer fees pretty much every penny that they've received in. Even if the salaries that the new signings are on are lower than the players that went out, I'm not sure they've saved much once you factor in the loyalty payments they'll have paid to the outgoing players, signing on bonuses for those coming in and agents fees.

And PDC made pretty clear at the end of last season that it was him that wanted a clear out of the squad. Pretty much named the players he wanted rid of.

I watched "The Damned United" the other night.

It seems an oddly familiar story.

Tommy Miller singing his praises on SSN this morning, that's at least one ex-player who has something positive to say...

Not sure how this passed me by at the time, but no ice in your Coke, no mayo in your sandwich and no singing...

What a complete mongoloid

And the kicking out of all the other staff from the canteen when the players were in there. What a Hitler

Watch this and look at the way Ferguson talks about developing youth, building a team, teammates supporting each other when they're having a bad game. Compare it to how di Canio talks about his players.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xll8nu_interview-sir-alex-ferguson-avec-fabien-barthez_sport

There's a world of difference between Ferguson's discipline and di Canio's authoritarianism. Ferguson recognises you get what you give. Di Canio never did.

Superb interview.

This was kind of my point. You can be the strict disciplinarian, but it can't be all that you do..

Expecting very highly paid professional athletes to avoid mayonnaise is perfectly normal and shouldn't require any kind of iron fist.

I honestly think the reaction to some of Di Canio's 'authoritarian' rules says a lot more about the continued backward nature of English football than it does about the unreasonableness of Di Canio. It was the same when Fabio Capello banned the England team from using their mobile phones at the dinner table. Why the fuck were they doing that anyway?

People who want to lead a healthy lifestyle should avoid mayo, let alone professional athletes.

Banning ketchup on the other hand is beyond the pale.

That's not true.

Makes the 'Red sauce, brown suace or no sauce at all' question a bit moot doesn't it?

There was a good discussion about Di canio on 5live last night. They mentioned a comment from Paul Benson.
He said that the players being league 2-1 maybe bought into Di Canio a bit more as they were not top players and knew he had been. As they were winning games they went along with it

Ha ha

The bit that I understand the least is no ice in coca-cola.

and me

Does it hurt your teeth so you can't play ? I'd have thought it should have been cola that was off the menu ?

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/di-canio-regains-control-of-sunderland-in-military-coup-2013092479731

“We need to have lectures about why we can’t have every day things like mayonnaise, ketchup and coke.

“They can cause chemical problems to the liver, to the stomach. If you have ice with coke you can have indigestion. I know players who’ve had ice with their coke the night before a game and then couldn’t play. Even coffee can be a problem. You can have one when you get up, but not an hour before you go out training or playing. We give the players diet sheets to follow.

“Obviously, you have to enjoy life. I won’t say anything if one day you like to go and have a cheeseburger. I ban my daughter from going to places like that, but I know sometimes she goes because she enjoys it and because it’s typical of a student. It is all right, but not as a habit.”

I bet she gets up to all sorts at Uni in Southampton once she escaped his dictatorship

Christ, imagine meeting your girlfriends parents and finding out her dad was Di Canio. You'd be very fucking careful wouldn't you?

Need a pic of this daughter....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2302529/Paolo-Di-Canio-Samurai-warfare-expert-known-The-Volcano-footballs-pottiest-man.html

 ;D

What did he say?