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After hearing of the gutless pile of shit that Swindon are currently dishing out...

The question is...why was the man who seemed to give passion to the team kicked out ???

And so quickly ?.

Was this to keep Wilson in a job for longer ?

 :badmood:

Was he kicked out?

He chose to leave didnt he?

Am I being thick? Who are you talking about?

David Byrne... Code Name: "B"

Oh....right
No wonder I couldn't remember!
We are giving him a code name why????

ooh I want a code name 8)

Cos I couldn't remember his surname....

All I know was he seemed exceptionally passionate about the club...one minute he was there and the next he was gone...And from a distance he seemed a bloody good guy. Prepared to stand up and be counted. Not like these pricks..

On the field this club has gone from poor to bad and getting worse by the game.
If this had been King, McMahon or another previous manager.."we' the fan base would have been calling for action to get them removed. No, would have demanded a new manager.

If my memory serves me well after that Scot's prick (MM) was sent packing Holloway was begging Swindon for a job. Reports had him sitting in the Town End on several occasions..

He obviously has a  passion like all other successful managers.

Wilson on the other hand is just like a block of ice...making every reason why his team is not performing. Full of crap

Last year at Wembley Swindon were totally out played by a Millwall side that had passion..

The same year Blackpool, (against all the odds) with a manager with passion showed how to beat a very highly rated Cardiff side ...

I suggest to you that Wilson made sure Bynes is not at the club for the obvious reasons..
 
Surely Fitton must have a very good reason for allowing Wilson to continue to ruin this football club..is he wanting to loose millions of pounds for tax reasons ?

This situation is really pissing me off.

   

Hahaha! Now DW becomes the club's non-playing staff's axeman. Get a grip.

I thought this was about David Ball.

Get a grip... Just get fucked.
Wilson is just trying to eliminate any one with any passion for STFC.
Trust me    THE GUY JUST NEEDS TO GET OUT OF TOWN.

 :badmood:

...and are you actually going to at least let us know what you think these 'obvious' reasons are?

From what I understand Dave Byrne is no longer at the club because he decided to leave. I know that doesnt bring it back to being Wilsons fault, which will disappoint you no end.

I think I may be about to use the Ignore button for only the second time.

 

Is it coincidence that Dick "the physio" or "M" to the insiders left also whilst DW was here, I think not.  :)

Ha, ha, ha, Fitton's trying to ruin the club for tax reasons. Haven't you got some windows you should be licking?

...and since M has gone and been replaced by K we've had more injuries.

COINCIDENCE?

So important to the club that he couldn't remember his name :)

My thoughts exactly

This thread is fucking hilarious.


Fitton wants the club to fail, for obvious tax reasons, so he's hired Wilson to destroy the club from inside. It all makes sense now.

 The problem here is that this season really makes no sense....so peeps look for reasons to try and explain it.

 Most of sane reasons, don't wholly stack up, so are rejected, which leaves the insane ideas.

 I have to admit, I'm at a total loss, as to how we've ended up with the least competitive Div 3 side in living memory, in what most would agree is a distinctly average league.

How does losing millions of pounds help you if you owe tax ? and why would he want to lose all the money he has invested in the club since he has taken over the reigns.

I would like you to explain the difference from league one football to league two football in terms of losing millions of pounds,It's not as if our attendances bring in millions or even our merchandise side of things,If we had we been relegated from the premiership then yes of course we would stand to lose a vast amount.

So what you're spouting is load of old bollocks to me unless you or someone else can explain the benefit of being relegated and how that would help fitton out tax wise.  

...with resources, both in terms of finance and fanbase, that are well above average for this division.  We are punching below our weight at the moment, and no mistake.  I agree.  Really doesn't add up.

I'm no fan of conspiracy theories, mind.  I just think Wilson (and probably Fitton) have had a stinker this year.  Both will do better in future.

EDIT:  Maybe being a bit hard on the Chairman there.  We don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

Pahahaaaa, it's the good old days all over again.

The Greek is actually best mates with Fitton. They holiday together every year.

I vote for Q as manager with James B as his assistant.  They need to switch to Plan B PDQ since DW's Plan A hasn't worked.  As for AF and his VAT plan, he's an evil genius that the world needs saving from.  Call in the SAS.

C.O.Y.R.

I heard Fitton is an evil lizzard alien overlord sleeper. Part of an advanced invasion party whose mission is to completely corner the market in mediocre lower league teams.Once he and his kind have the market cornered they can unleash their fiendish plan of rising Matlock Town through the leagues so that they can sell Ross Hannah for a tidy some of money whilst underwriting the VAT loss of ruining the other clubs against other so called business interests.

Its the only reason that makes sense as to why Davey B left and why we didn't sign Nile Ranger when he only wanted sixpence  halfpenny a week to play for us.

byrre went as he wasn't danny's man.fair enough imo.

dick mackey still works for the club and is around as much as he used to be.he's just not the top man anymore as kate cady is more highly qualified.

Think there could be something in this, but it doesn't answer the mysterious Jesionkowski and Misun questions.

Damn, I was so sure too.

Don't know much about Kate, but Hereford, Scunthorpe, and to some extent Tranmere, have done OK out of promoting the physio to manager.

We are Kate Cady's Red and White Army....

And out come the conspiracy theories. This isn't the reason, I guarantee you.

Holloway's record before Blackpool is decent enough, steady progress but not spectacular. I'd have thought he would have been high on the shortlist. He is a total clown of a man though and not very professional a lot of the time. Not Fitton's sort of man at all.

it's been a Kafkaesque season

Honestly thought this thread was about David Ball, what with him scoring for Peterborough yesterday.

I am tired.

David Icke as manager then

Yes, David Icke for manager.  He's got a proven football pedigree being an ex-Coventry City goalie and he's got vision.  Oh yes, he's got vision - plenty of 'em.

Get him in

He comes with his own turquoise tracksuit, thus saving on kit costs.

The company i work for does business with another company Fitton owns/runs whatever. One of there employees upon noticing my Swindon tattoo said the only reason Wilson is in a job is because he is basically a yes man to Fitton and never questions anything. Went on to say Fitton is very controling in all aspects of the business and has Wilson operating with one hand behind his back. Malpas stood up to him and was rewarded with being shown the door. Wilson wont be sacked but would not be offered a new contract either whatever League we start next season, to avoid paying him off. Expect the replacement to be a long drawn out process and probably wont be a big name. Maybe bollocks. Maybe not, although nothing would surprise me anymore.

Yes because an employee of a completely unrelated business would be particularly savvy to such information.

Sounds similar to what I heard recently about Fitton always interfering with team matters and sometimes getting involved at training and they said that there was more friction between Fitton and the players than Wilson and the players.

Probably bullshit but a few other people it seems are hearing the same thing so maybe there is something in it?

A change from the mong complaint on thisis, that Fitton is never around, but always in the US.

I'd have thought it fairly obvious that Fitton didn't help in the rescue of the club, just to take a back seat.  No doubt, this season has been a monumental fuck up, all we as fans can do is hope that lessons have been learned.

Indeed. Hence why i said maybe bollocks. What i will say though in my opinion, is that something has not been right at STFC since the away playoff leg at Charlton. Since Wembley we have been a shadow of the team we had through most of that season. From the wearing of white kit for the final, to selling key players and not replacing their certainly have been odd decisions going on. Maybe to much being read into stuff, afterall had we been running away with the league this season none of us would be questioning anything that goes on at board level.

Take your point but "hands-on" chairman doesn't usually include the training ground, at least not at clubs that want to do well, usually a recipe for disaster. Although I'm still inclined to take this with sufficient salt to clear every road between here and Ciren in heavy snowfall

my understanding is that fitton does like to have input.
greer's sale was his call,and he isn't backwards at coming forwards on team matters.
as chairman he has that right but mistakes have been made.

You'd expect the chairman to be involved in buying/selling players. Not on the training ground though, that's ludicrous if true

At last a reaction .....

This season has been a total fuck up. Yes Greer has gone, Painter and Austin too.

But money has been spent on potentially good young players who are simply not performing without commitment and expecting to win.  

From last year the biggest example of non performance is JPM who seems not even half the player from last year. However, he is just one of 7 or 8 players not performing.

At the beginning of the season the results were blamed on the "new diamond" formation being played..then later on even stating the windy weather and poor ground conditions...come on.

Paull, I have always read your postings with interest and no I don't lick windows either. What do you suggest is wrong with the playing staff ? There are only so many excuses that are on offer.

Reg, you are well up there when it comes to the history of the club...when was there such a gutless run of performances as we have today ? I suggest possibly 82 / 83 seasons when Trollope was sacked and we were relegated. Prior to that it would have been after Danny Williams left the first time around and during the David Peach and Dave McKay days.

Andrew Fitton has obviously saved this club from being doomed several years ago and for that I would want to thank him. However I need to support a football team with passion and generating excitment..not a bunch of limp wristed, non performing losers.

  




 


 

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

No idea, although "they're a bit shit" springs to mind. But I'm as confident as I can be that it's not some Machiavellian plot to wreck the club as part of a tax dodge. That's even more ludicrous than the excuses Wilson's offered

Mrverve

Yes, I was waiting for a reaction....

However, why would any businessman invest millions of pounds in a football club and allow it to fail..?

Paull

Please don't be a wanker..

As stated previously...why would any business man invest millions in a football club and let it fail ?

Fuck off you utter mongoloid. He's not wanting it to fail is he you shitcunt.

Well quite. That's kind of my point. I don't think he is deliberately causing the club to fail. You seem to think he is. I'll let others judge who's being a wanker on that basis

Robinz.......

There are problems but what you have said is very wrong! Fitton would not buy a club and want it to fail.

The only thing he can be critcised for is maybe being too loyal to managers.

You're theory is total crap, Hopefully next season will be totally different and lessons will have been learned, A new manager, different players and i hope a much much better campaign than this one whichever League we end up in.

It's relative...the sales in recent times of Henshall, Morrison, Cox, Greer, Austin have netted about 3 mill, of that we've spent approx 1 mill (including Cox initial fee) so 2 mill in, a profit announced at the last agm.

I don't suppose it will have gone unnoticed that a lot of the higher earners can be cleared out in the summer with a relegation, freeing up space for the recent acquisitions and probably the likes of Kennedy.

Given that in our last season in Div 4 gates were higher than previously in Div 3, it's quite conceivable another profit can be turned, which businessmen don't see as failure.

We fans do, but we don't pay the bills, and would happily see the club go to the wall, for a few wins if it meant getting players we can't afford.

PS I've posted before about shit runs in Div 3...12 without a win in 55/56, is what we're aiming for, generally reckoned to be the nadir of post war STFC, before Bert Head sorted it out.

That side had more points at the same stage, but finished off 24th, an all time low for the level

Why can't you people read...Exactly my point.

Fitton seems a decent guy....however, why the hell is he giving Wilson all these chances.

How would Fitton use the clubs losses to his personal advantage? Enlighten us.

Reg...

That is a big call..in fact a very brave call. Waiting for relegation and hoping to keep a fan base happy that had great expectations on this seaons and caused exceptional season ticket sales sold on these expectations..

Maybe he's been on mateys betting website, got carried away and put a bit too much on us winning the league next season.

And decided League Two was a better shout.

Hang on.......he appointed the managers,two in four years have failed(in your eyes).....but he isn't to blame?
Seems a strange way of thinking to me.
Easy to be loyal to shite managers that you yourself have appointed.....because your hoping that they dont fail because its you who looks the mug..........because its you who has appointed them!

Fact is Mr Fitton is newish to the game at this level...cutting his teeth you could say,he has/will make mistakes....wish people would stop pretending he hasn't.

Its not a crime to make mistakes...we are all guilty of them.

Maybe he had a bet on us winning Div 4 in 2011 / 2012. You'd have got good odds at the start of this season - not so good odds now.

Well yes he is to blame, Something has gone wrong somewhere we all knew Malpas was the wrong man as soon as he got the job but Wilson wasn't a blow you're socks off appointment.

Fitton has made mistakes and hopefully he will learn from them in future, I won't criticise Fitton too much because he saved the club and has done a lot for us, As i said the only real criticism i have about him is being too loyal to managers and not axing them when he maybe should have.

He made a mistake with Greer as well but i'm sure he has learnt his lesson from that one so i wouldn't expect a repeat of that again in the future.

I'm not pretending he hasn't made mistakes, He has made a fair few but as i said i hope he learns from all of them and i am sure he will.

It's better than fishing with some of you thick pricks.
Snapping around like young snappers.

Fitton is either an exception guy who will allow failure and build huge loses on the possibilities of long term success...or a fool.

His second appointment got us to the play off final in his first full season.  ::)

Did Fitton put the lump in the Wembley turf that caused the bobble too?

Fitton has done a great job off field,anyone who dosn't realise what a steadying influence he has had on the club is blind...we were in deep doggy do when he arrived.

For me the selling of good young players is my main gripe,Austin and Cox are no brainers obviously.
For me also the departure of Byrne shouldn't have happened....not mid season anyway.
He knew most of the players and was a good buffer when times were tough.

The clubs future looks fairly promising...just the present that loks a tad dodgy.

Weasel

Seriously, did Swindon really deserve anything out of the game last year at Wembley ?

In fact the performances just prior to that were piss poor as well....except for 30 minutes in at the Valley in the 2nd leg of the semi final.  

That's irrelevant now, We were god awful at Wembley we were shocking, Things haven't been right since the end of last season especially after we won 3-0 at Elland Road, We played well in the semi's against Charlton but between the Leeds and the Charlton game and since that game at the Valley we have been shocking.

I agree with you Leefer, Fitton has done a great job off the field no doubt about it.

The situation with Byrne is i think Wilson probably didn't want him here as it wasn't his own man and he brought in Shirtliff.

We couldn't do nothing about the Austin & Cox situation, They both wanted to leave and with Austin it was starting to have a negative impact on the whole club and he just had to go.

The thing with Greer should never have happened, Fitton should have given him a new contract instead of saying wait until October but i guess he will learn from that one.

Oh, ok. So the chairman should've sacked Wilson after Leeds away last year?

Whilst i agree  DW should have gone long ago- i cannot believe that some people are calling for Budgie to return.

His record when caretaker was absolutely dire( 7 points from 8 games)- as were his antics on the touchline and behind the scenes. If we have resorted to wanting him as manager then things must be desperate.

No obviously not.

We were doing well up until that Leeds game, We had a chance of auto and blew it and we were quite bad up until the Charlton game where we played well home and away but since then we have won 9 games out of 42 i believe, Says it all.

Wilson has had more than a fair chance this season, He must be one of the luckiest managers in the League because quite frankly if he was at any other club do you think he would still be in a job now?

There is no point going on about Wilson now though as it's quite clear he isn't going until the end of the season, He won't get a new contract and rightly so.

I don't get this whole Byrne thing. Only real seen the guy in real life once, and he was indeed enthusiastic and committed to STFC and he wanted the managers job (he was caretaker at the time).

But I don't see how this equates to him being in any way influential to on field results or lack of them after his departure.  Its clutching at straws.

Wilson is a good man and in my opinion (if not anyone elses) a half decent manager. He's just ballsed up this year. Whether that was his doing or whether the club employed policies that meant he couldn't get the players he wanted is purely speculation.

Whatever if/when we go down he will have to go.

I suggest we all want and need Swindon to have a successful football club and if it was not for Andrew Fitton we would NOT have a club to support...so a big thank you.


However, just change the present manager for his sake as well as ours..

For the record..I do not think Bryne is the right replacement..Possibly Johnson ex Peterboro could be.
Although, a good player manager would be the answer as it has served us well previously.  

So, yes? He should've sacked the manager before the play-off final?  :suicide:

Yet that 10 man performance against Swansea was honestly one of the most hard working, pride filled Town performances I've ever seen!

The way our fans just roared when Swansea scored, couldn't even hear their fans celebrating their goal!!

Got a lucky penalty but even a draw was less that we deserved that game.

Whether it was actually budgie who got that fight into the players or not I don't know.

Could we do with some of it now, yes!

Weasel.....all clubs have Glorious/in Glorious past history.......so how long would you give Mr Wilson if our present plight continues......Danny Williams won us the League Cup......bring him back now!
I didnt say Byrne should be manager...but he was good with the players.......young and old and should have stayed in the set up in my opinion.

For what it is worth my opinion is his time was up after the Bristol Rovers debacle.....fact is he is here untill the seasons end at least.....and will get a new contract if we do stay up.
Frustrating as it has been this season i try to back him,but it is becoming increasingly hard....some people will have you believe that LG2 wont be so bad.....i wont be buying that.

We could sure do with that type of spirit nowadays. I remember that match for Commingues smacking one of their players and then in the melee ran around the back and stuck another one on thier player. That was after squaring up to their 6ft 4 beast of a centre back.  

The very best a trip to league 2 can be is a wasted season. That's the best case scenario - we come back up and we are back to where we are now.

And that ain't a sure fire thing by a long chalk.

If anyone is in any doubt that relegation is short of disastrous they need to have a word with themself.

Did i say that? We played badly for a few games so it wasn't a big deal and we got our act together in the Play-Off Semi's, However i clearly said since then we have been shocking, 9 wins out of 42 games.

True, You only have to look at clubs like Bradford who expected to go straight back up and have been stuck there for years and don't look close to coming back up, They are more likely to go down again!

He doesn't deserve one even if we stay up, This season has been a total failure and he needs to go at the season's end regardless of whether we stay up or not we need a change and a different approach.

I don't think Fitton will give him a new one anyway regardless.

When we go down season ticket sales will drop considerably. If Wilson is still in charge I'd expect them to plummet even further. The pay on the day is going to be minimal and away support will be low. Unless we hit the ground running, we could well be in the shit. Players wages are high for this division let alone Div 4.
I can see what Reg is saying but its a bloody risky strategy.

I was thinking the same, If we go down season ticket sales will drop a lot anyway but if Wilson stays they would probably drop even more, If we stay up they will still drop anyway regardless of who is in charge because we got a lot of new season ticket holders this season who might not bother renewing next time round and again if we stay up and Wilson stays they will be even lower.

Also the fact that they are only the same price until 4th April means that our fate will still be undecided by then and a lot of people won't want to risk paying out a lot of money not knowing what League we will be in next season.

I really don't think Fitton wants us to fail, let alone for those reasons. So please don't insult us with your theories.

After all these posts...which has been very entertaining.

I suggest the simple question is....

Why has Fitton allowed Wison and Swindon to fail this season  ?

because he has.

Oh come on Reg, do behave. The idea doesn't bear more than a cursory examination. Leaving aside the suggestion that anyone thinks a smart route to business success is going out of your way to build up your customer base then deliberately pissing them off by underdelivering on the main part of the product on an epic scale, the second part's fundamentally flawed as well. As pretty much everyone else has pointed out on a fairly regular basis, the idea that we'd definitely come straight back up or challenge in League Two is far from guaranteed, so the suggestion that you'd base a business strategy round it bears roughly two seconds' thought before dismissing it.

At this rate, they'll be able to make the good the losses by selling STFC-branded tinfoil helmets in the club shop.

Completely agree with this Leefer and I also agree with your comments a few pages back about being fed up of people not wanting to admit Fitton's made mistakes.  We are all thankful that he saved out club, but why should that mean he's adverse to criticism as some people clearly think he should?  He openly communicated the 5 year plan, but has made a number of mistakes/errors of judgement that have completely derailed this. If his involvement in team affairs is as heavy as some would lead us to believe, my concern is that similar things will be repeated in the future?  

It also surprises me that there are still people out there who don't seem too concerned about the fact we could playing League 2 football next season.  I appreciate what Reg is saying in relation to the last time we were in League 2, but I have my doubts gates would be anywhere near so high this time around.  I would guess that due to the current economic climate, money is probably tighter now than it was then, which would lower the pay on the day crowd.  There's hardly going to be a line-up of mouthwatering games is there, which are likely to pull people in off the street?  The majority of the season ticket holders who purchased on the back of last season will be unlikely to renew due to the crap they've seen this season, in fact I know a number of people who've had enough already and aren't attending now while Wilson remains in charge.  There's also a fair few on here who've said they won't be renewing for other reasons.  I honestly believe the Board have seriously underestimated the effect that leaving Wilson in charge for so long and the probably outcome of relegation could have.

No they haven't, it's a deliberate conspiracy hatched on a secret underground base hidden under a remote island in the Pacific

Reg, I honestly don't think Fitton has anything to gain by getting relegated this season regardless of any high earners leaving in that scenario. Also if you look at our attendance that season, we were averaging 7,500, about the same as we have been doing the last couple of seasons when we should be looking at promotion from this level. If we were to go down to League 2 we wouldn't have the crowds that we do now. The reason we averaged more in the promotion season was because it was a season of relative success and the previous one we were averaging around 6,000. We wont be averaging 8,500 in League 2 after the couple of seasons that we have had. No chance.

Robinz, I think that Fitton is giving Wilson until the end of the season (he probably has the belief, like 2 years ago, that Danny Wilson is the right man to get us out of this mess) and at the end of the season when Wilson's contract is up he won't renew it.

Why hadn't I realised that, how silly of me?  :D

Sorry Leefer, my point was in response to K-S-1982 who then edited his comment. I found it hilarious that some are using the magic of hindsight to say that they saw this season coming, that it was all fucked from Leeds away last year and Fitton should've known better and sacked Wilson back then. We got to fucking Wembley. Who sacks their manager after losing a play off final when they weren't even close to being 3rd favourites at the start of the season?

I agree with you that Wilson should have gone mid way through this season, at a time when another manager could come in and make changes. As soon as it was clear we weren't going to match or better last year, he should have gone. But he hasn't, and he's not going anywhere now.  Maybe Fitton didn't have a better option?

IMO Byrne would have been a shite manager. But I'd rather have him than Shirtliff as assistant. He was fun to watch on the sidelines and seemingly, a good scout.

I never said to sack Wilson last season, Please read my posts, I have only started to want wilson out since around the time when we lost at home to Yeovil.

There are more sheep in Britain than here in New Zealand...trouble is the breed of sheep in Britain has only 2 legs...!!!

and how many points has Wilson taken from the last 8 games ?

what about the last 40 games its even worse

It's not a case of Fitton allowing Swindon to fail. Luckily there's not a magic formula for football clubs to guarantee success, whatever resources they have. Which is great. If there was a definitive right way of doing things then there'd be less room for under and over achievement as the football league slowly sorted itself out into order of resources - more than it is already.

That's not to say AF and co hasn't made mistakes, but that's not the same as allowing the club to fail. In fact I'd say that most of these mistakes come from exactly the opposite - an almost zealous belief in how to properly run a football club, and to be fair to them, I think they're ideas which most people would sign up to.

Unfortunately for them football isn't a sterile perfect environment, players aren't robots and although their ideas seem to be working pretty well off the pitch, they've probably been a bit too slow to adapt when things have gone against their ideals on it.

Do I think Wilson should have gone a month or more ago? Yep. If asked that in general would I say that clubs are too quick to chop and change managers - I'd probably say Yes to that too. Football doesn't always live up to your ideals.

How has this turned into a seven page thread?

The guy is fishing for a reaction.

Yeah, but there's still interesting conversations to be had from it.

True.

On that note, I've not seen anyone on here who is unwilling to admit that Fitton has made mistakes. Some cut him more slack than others but I'd hardly say he's immune to criticism.

No, I think he genuinely believes it. But the thread is something of a car crash, it must be said

I thought that until his most recent post.

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ignore lists. I meant ignore lists

I thought that was part of an ongoing effort to stake a claim as New Zealand's answer to Cantona

It must be difficult for Robinz to try to keep up to date with stuff especially when hearing second hand information than witnessing it with your own eyes and ears.

Probably needs to revise where he gets his information from thugh.

Haven't we had quite a few new zealand based town fans with robin in there user name or are they all the same one?

NZrobin is his other username so far as I can tell.

Lot's of re-signups recently, but that's the nature of the beast isn't it? It's a lot less fun signing up to post "Oh look everything is going well".

I understand losing log ins and old email addresses too, I'm guilty of it, it's sensible internet practice to have an array of email addresses to sign up for crap with. And lets be fair, Barry does sell off the registered emails to that bloke in Nigeria.

Oh and K-S-1982 is STFC-4-LIFE/Moment/Danny Wilson or whatever we changed his name from.

http://thetownend.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5645

e: I'd get cross about it but I've got quite a lot of TEF alter-egos. Although I would say mine are more creative.

I got rid of Dave Byrne because he kept stealing my sandwiches.

Amazing game, amazing atmosphere. Boob sulking when Budgie took him off, Roberts timing his fall in the box to perfection!
I was in the press room for the post match interviews, and when everyone had finished, AF said quietly, "Well done, Dave, no-one could ask for more." I believe AF insisted that Budgie should have a senior job when Wilson came in - a demonstration of his loyalty towards staff. A Chairman's loyalty towards his manager is either a good thing or a bad thing - it depends on the results in the end. In this case, perhaps a bit over loyal.

nzrobin is a top bloke, i met him in auckland once and he took me out for a lush steak.

Yep, Corr getting a standing ovation for being a twat? Boob sulking but the balls of Budgie to go 4-3-2 instead of 4-5-1 against the run away league leaders 20 minutes into the game!!

Although you've got confused somewhere, Roberts wasnt involed and I think Cox flicked the ball onto O'learys? hand.

Swansea actually scored later than I remembered to, 87th minute.

Either way that game has got to be one of my favourite non Swindon wins!

This was pre Malpas wasn't it, just after Sturrock left?

Comapered to 3 points from 11 with DW

byrnes departure has made fuck all difference to this years performance.
he only a token job given out of loyalty from fittton anyway.

I'm not suggesting that the Board have taken relegation as an option, just that they may not regard it as being the sky falling down stuff that we as fans do.

Don't forget there isn't a Town fan on the Board....this can be seen in two ways, either a good thing as it provides detachment for level headed decisions, or a bad thing, no real understanding of what the fans are going through at the moment.

Dave Byrne's job was as head of youth development at the club and reserve team manager.
He scouted for young talented players,bringing in the Plymouth lads and last summer attended
youth team tournaments across Europe and also went to the World Cup in South Africa.

In the long term future of the club,it may,just may have been the most important job at the club.
We might have with the correct funding and evolution have seen Academy status achieved.

He's a big loss.

So quickly??Fucking hell his last 20 caps were simply gratuitous!

Budgies scouting talents and his man management of the youngsters is a massive loss to the club, I would put money on him returning if and when Danny is deposed as manager.

the plymouth lads came with him when he joined the club.the trips to the youth tournaments and world cup didn't bring anyone in did it?
his input in the latter days was minimal,hence why i said his loss has had no impact on this season.
dont get me wrong i like the bloke,but lets be realistic eh.
he did a good job here for sure,but wasn't wilsons man.
whether he would have done a better job than him i dont know.

That's how...

You're confusing Morison and Ben Joyce with Dan Evans and the other lads who Budgie later brought to the club,when Plymouth were slow off the mark in offering them pro contracts.

As to your statement, that we didn't sign anybody last summer , he brought players over from Europe for trials.The fact is he was out there scouting talent,over a wide area that has since lapsed.His job was ongoing and that's the whole point.

Your original assertion was that the was given a job by Fitton, as "a token job out of loyalty".

That is totally incorrect and a slur on Budgie and Mr Fitton.

Basically, everyone's at a total loss to explain what the hell has gone wrong this season. Some people though are desparate to find a reason and as a result there are all sorts of bollocks theories flying around. The best I can come up with is, "That's football. Sometimes shit happens which cannot be explained". This is most definitely such a phenomenon.

I could be wrong, but I would say our demise has fuck all to do with David 'B'...the man who was such a pivotal part of the club that some of us can't even remember his fucking name ::)

we will never agree on this.best leave it be.
we've both had our say so i'm gonna leave it at that.
plus i have to drive home now ;)

I would say climate change has had a bigger impact on this season than Dave Byrne leaving

So if the club makes a taxable profit it can offset it against carried forward tax losses to reduce the current year liability or erradicate it. Fitton can't use the company's tax losses for his personal gain, it doesn't work like that.

The only way the club's tax losses can be passed out of it is to a group company. In this case the only one is the holding company, which is connected with no other companies other than the club.

Conclusion: Craptastic, poorly thought out conspiracy theory.

Will Evans is from Cricklade so who are you actually talking about?

Sorry,it should have read as Dan Evans.

It's alright to remember one great game and no one could argue we showed that fight that day but you look at Byrnes record in between Malpas leaving and Wilson taking over and it is poor to say the least showing that he was never the right man to take Swindon forward.  His record was 5 draws, 3 losses and 1 win, I have enclosed the record below:

14 01.11.2008 Scunthorpe United away D3-3
15 15.11.2008 Leicester City home D2-2
16 22.11.2008 Bristol Rovers away D2-2
17 25.11.2008 Peterborough United home D2-2
18 29.11.2008 Walsall away L1-2
19 06.12.2008 Carlisle United home D1-1
20 13.12.2008 Crewe Alexandra away L0-1
21 20.12.2008 Yeovil Town home L2-3 
22 26.12.2008 Leyton Orient away W2-1

along with the swansea game,the leicester draw was another great performance.

although i'm sure in his latter days here((after wilson's arrival)he was operating in a token job,he is remembered fondly for the two performances above.
bringing both tozer and morrison to the club, who have then netted us significant transfer fees is not to be sniffed at either.

If you could 'make money' from buying a club and deliberately running it into the ground, why buy a relatively small club like ours to fuck up? Why not buy a huge club, run up even more massive losses and do even better?

(Actually, thinking about it, this is basically the Chelsea situation. But that's money-laundering rather than tax dodging. All our board's money is already in the UK.)

I'm pretty sure if anyone really knew why we were doing so badly, we'd change those things.

My theory is that Prutton is our Faustino Asprilla. He's a good signing who looks like the final piece of the jigsaw, but unbalances the team to the extent that everything goes to shit trying to fit him in.

3 draws against the 3 promoted sides in there as well!!!

I've not once said he was the man for the job, or that I want him back as manager. What I did say was he got our players fighting, he got them motivated or thats how it would seem.

Even if the results werent brilliant, there were some decent performances. Much better than anything we've done post Charlton this season.

Hell, Wilson bangs on about lucky. Remember the P'Boro game - they had one shot on target all game and drew 2-2!!!!

Either way the point still stands, Budgie got the players motived, he's a loud, over the top presence who can clearly gee players up.

Wilson and his current staff clearly cant do that.

Our players need some fight in them.