points about bradford game

[walrus]

Rio Ifil under Iffy has been fantastic.  People whinge about his distribution but to be honest if he does the ugly stuff right then I'm not bothered - the tactics should dictate he passes it short to someone with better distribution e.g.: Gurney.  He's quick, an excellent man-marker and has a superb tackle on him (ooh err).  He's also a confidence player, sometimes misplaces passes and gets caught out of position, but at this level he's certainly a top top defender and I would say under Iffy he has been the best player.

Shakes on the other hand I'm less impressed with.  Vs. Doncaster was the first time I've seen him have a good game, and even then he was coming off the wing and shooting woefully when he should have squared it or at least had a better attempt than the one he managed.  The problem is he's the only true right winger at the club, and his pace is an asset, even if it is his only one as some suggest.

[santini]

I don't bother reading your comments on Ifil because they're always- and have always- been total vitriol.

The same used to be said about my comments on Brian Howard. I was right then too.

[Dr Pierre Chang]

Ifil has got better, forming a good partnership with O'Hanlon.

[mexico red]

whhhhhhooooooooooo easy tiger, dave calm down mate, i wasnt being vitriolic at all and i like shakes, however yesterday he was up against a defender who had more pace than him and he just gave up, i was only pointing this out, as im sure iffy will too, its no good if one of your players gives up after 10 minutes is it?

and in regards to the goalkicking i was only asking why did evans keep kicking it to shakes when he was getting beaten in the air time and time again? it makes no logical sense to me, surely you would think "maybe i should try kicking it elsewhere?"

and i wasnt criticsing ifil, i was saying when he man marks, a job he does well, he gets dragged out of position and the others in the team dont cover for him well enough. dave you should really read the posts before spouting shit, it makes you sound as if you are some retard from the back of beyond

as for roberts he did ok, he went out on shakes right wing and had a go at the defender and caused some chances, he looks like he needs to lose a few pounds but dont we all!?

[jim]

whhhhhhooooooooooo easy tiger, dave calm down mate, i wasnt being vitriolic at all

Mex - it's Santini he was accusing of pouring vitriol and me too I suppose but don't worry about DMR - he has these moments.

Post traumatic stress is what I would put it down too if I were being charitable.

[reeves4england]

I find it hard to understand how a discussion about the good and bad points of an away draw against a team much higher than us in the league has turned into personal abuse  :-))(

Can't we just be happy with the fact that we are on a decent run and pushing up towards (and hopefully beyond) the dreadful black line

[jim]

I find it hard to understand how a discussion about the good and bad points of an away draw against a team much higher than us in the league has turned into personal abuse  :-))(

Can't we just be happy with the fact that we are on a decent run and pushing up towards (and hopefully beyond) the dreadful black line

Angst ridden teenager!

Swapping insults doesn't mean we care what the others say, so don't  lose any sleep.

[my-velocity]

A goal at the end showed we never gave after Windass scored for the Bantams, shows we have spirt, confidence and a beleif to go into any match and win it.

[STFC Village]

A goal at the end showed we never gave after Windass scored for the Bantams, shows we have spirt, confidence and a beleif to go into any match and win it.

We drew

[Mark Hanrahan]

On current form, I should add.

I don't bother reading your comments on Ifil because they're always- and have always- been total vitriol. As for Shakes, he's young, learning and is getting regualr first team football for the first time in his career.

If you want instant perfection then fuck off and watch Chelsea's wingers.

Dave never assume its vitriol because people see different things to you.  

You weren't there yesterday and so cannot comment about how crap Shakes was.  Everything seemed to go down the right  and NOTHING came of it.

Oh - and your hyphens are in the wrong place.  English students - I've sh?t 'em.

Jim, your point is well made but grossly unfair on the the two ladsl. Dave is right about Shakes, i.e. first time in his career he's had proper first team football etc. Based on that he is bound to have the odd dodgy patch. What he has shown me however is improvement with games played, i.e. pace in the right places, improved crossing, good movement  Were you as critical last weekend when he looked like an absolute world beater?

Likewise with Ifil. We all know he can drop a clanger or two but to go right off the deep end is more than a little harsh. As part of a defensive unit including Jack Smith, Seano and Nicho, Jerel has played a key part in our revival under Iffy.

You are more than entitled to your views but take a look at the bigger picture. As Dave mentioned, albeit it a little too bluntly(?) if you want the polished item, go to the Premiership. We are at this level for a reason, i.e. we can't afford to spend our way out of trouble. However, Iffy is doing an amazing job coaching a batch of raw talents into a solid unit that are all fighting for each other. Based on the improvement I've seen under his reign, I don't envisage us being down here too long - likewise I don't envisage Shakes or Ifil remaining as raw as they are for long either.

[OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR]

What Mr H said.

I would also like to say, Vitriol - great word.

I'm going to try to use it much more in every day life

[reeves4england]

A goal at the end showed we never gave after Windass scored for the Bantams, shows we have spirt, confidence and a beleif to go into any match and win it.

We drew

That's beyond the point. He was just saying that the belief is there

[Reg Smeeton]

What Mr H said.

I would also like to say, Vitriol - great word.

I'm going to try to use it much more in every day life

 Oil of vitriol is an old name for sulphuric acid.....spelt with an f by Americans which is just wrong.

[santini]

Oil of vitriol is an old name for sulphuric acid.....spelt with an f by Americans which is just wrong.

Ephing Americans ... tell em to phuck off

[jim]

On current form, I should add.

I don't bother reading your comments on Ifil because they're always- and have always- been total vitriol. As for Shakes, he's young, learning and is getting regualr first team football for the first time in his career.

If you want instant perfection then fuck off and watch Chelsea's wingers.

Dave never assume its vitriol because people see different things to you.  

You weren't there yesterday and so cannot comment about how crap Shakes was.  Everything seemed to go down the right  and NOTHING came of it.

Oh - and your hyphens are in the wrong place.  English students - I've sh?t 'em.

Jim, your point is well made but grossly unfair on the the two ladsl. Dave is right about Shakes, i.e. first time in his career he's had proper first team football etc. Based on that he is bound to have the odd dodgy patch. What he has shown me however is improvement with games played, i.e. pace in the right places, improved crossing, good movement  Were you as critical last weekend when he looked like an absolute world beater?

Likewise with Ifil. We all know he can drop a clanger or two but to go right off the deep end is more than a little harsh. As part of a defensive unit including Jack Smith, Seano and Nicho, Jerel has played a key part in our revival under Iffy.

You are more than entitled to your views but take a look at the bigger picture. As Dave mentioned, albeit it a little too bluntly(?) if you want the polished item, go to the Premiership. We are at this level for a reason, i.e. we can't afford to spend our way out of trouble. However, Iffy is doing an amazing job coaching a batch of raw talents into a solid unit that are all fighting for each other. Based on the improvement I've seen under his reign, I don't envisage us being down here too long - likewise I don't envisage Shakes or Ifil remaining as raw as they are for long either.

Why unfair?

I was there, saw what transpired and observed accordingly.  Shakes was very poor and lacked basic skills that it isn't unreasonable to expect him to be able to exercise.  The problem was exacerbated because all the balls were delivered down that side and so, the pressure was on and Shakes didn't deliver at all.

I have cheered him just like the rest and I can see improvements but, as Mex said, once his party trick of pace was exposed by an aggressive and fast left back, he had nothing else to offer and seemed to lose heart.

Now, Ifil.  He has been around far longer and still, too often, shows a complete lack of awareness.  Yes he makes saving tackles but have a think about how often that is a result of his mind  wandering and him losing his man.  Watch Sean - see how often he is cajoling Jerel into line.

Now, having said all that, the defence, so often the butt of all the negative comments on here, is looking more solid than it has and that's a good base on which to build.