Sandy Gray interview

[Dazzza]

No surprises they also happen to be involved at QPR.

Dunwoody were involved at QPR before Devlin went there.   :|


I seem to remember that QPR have either had some sort of dodgy dealing going on and lateness of accounts and stuff (but I can't remember where I heard that)...

1st or 2nd stint?

May have my dates wrong but I thought they arrived during his 1st stint at Loftus Road.

[mrs_spacey]

possibly during his first then (I'm not good with dates)

I'm tempted to go to the fans forum and ask her some awkward questions.

Any suggestions?

[Dazzza]

possibly during his first then (I'm not good with dates)

I'm tempted to go to the fans forum and ask her some awkward questions.

Any suggestions?

Her name!    

Something regarding her and Mike the Greeks ties and Dunwoodys unofficial influence in the running the club.

[Reg Smeeton]

possibly during his first then (I'm not good with dates)

I'm tempted to go to the fans forum and ask her some awkward questions.

Any suggestions?

 Do so.....Cirencester women have a bit of previous here....I'm sure we all remember Diana Gould who exposed Thatcher's terminological inexactitude over the sinking of the Belgrano.

[Panda Paws]

A quick check at Companies House shows Sandy Gray is in fact a director of Dunwoody Management Services Limited.

It all stinks to high heaven and while Diamandis may not be employed by the club in any official capacity and untouchable to a degree Gray as chief exec is obliged to answer questions and reveal external interests.

If anyone's got a spare few quid I always find it's good to pull the accounts from companies house for this kind of stuff - that way you can prove if there's any financial link on the books between the two companies ...

[Reg Smeeton]

A quick check at Companies House shows Sandy Gray is in fact a director of Dunwoody Management Services Limited.

It all stinks to high heaven and while Diamandis may not be employed by the club in any official capacity and untouchable to a degree Gray as chief exec is obliged to answer questions and reveal external interests.

If anyone's got a spare few quid I always find it's good to pull the accounts from companies house for this kind of stuff - that way you can prove if there's any financial link on the books between the two companies ...

 What sort of money are we talking about?

[Panda Paws]

The last set of stuff I pulled from Companies House was about £15 quid for director records.

If you check here: http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/ tomorrow you'll get the price list.  I'm sure it's less than twenty quid.

At least it will show if there's any official link between the two.  Of course, if there's a 'gentleman's agreement' of any sort it won't show up here ...

[Reg Smeeton]

So its a bit of a gamble as to whether it'd show up something of interest or just be a waste of money....I'd like to see someone with a forensic mind..like Mrs Spacey...try and  discover what the hell is happening in the background at STFC.

[Panda Paws]

So its a bit of a gamble as to whether it'd show up something of interest or just be a waste of money....I'd like to see someone with a forensic mind..like Mrs Spacey...try and  discover what the hell is happening in the background at STFC.

Yes, of course it is.  I've found more often than not that pulling this stuff up usually gets you something ... even if it's not what you want ... you might get a lead to something else.

[pauld]

The situation hasn't changed since 3 years ago. Dunwoody Sports Marketing (as it was then) and the three or four new offshoot companies it has been restructured into around last Christmas are the wholly owned property of Mike Diamandis, as indeed is Sandy Gray. Mike Diamandis is running the club (insofar as anyone is) in "big picture" matters (Sandy Gray does the day to day stuff like Mark Devlin used to) on behalf of the Wills family. He has been put into this position by the Wills family as he is their trusted adviser and they've been ripped off badly before dealing direct with the club so they're using him to do their direct handling of the club. What's worrying about this is that Mr D's previous businesses have not all been rip-roaring successes, to say the least. Sandy Gray is there because she is, and always has been, a "bagman" for Mr D and because now that Bob Holt seems to have removed himself from the picture and Mr D's fallen out with Nick Prescott, she's the only one left he can promote to Chief Exec without coming out of the shadows himself. The alternative of course might be to appoint a properly qualified football person as Chief Exec who might be able to steer the club back onto the straight and narrow but that would mean brining in a non-Newbury outsider and strangely they don't seem keen on that option.

Incidentally, I wouldn't worry about Sandy Gray having a direct say in the replacement of Andy King - that decision will be taken by Diamandis and the Wills family. And the decision will largely be based on getting someone in cheap, so promotion from within or an outsider whose looking to (re-)establish themselves in League management will be the most likely outcomes. For all those of you praying they don't promote Reeves from within, look upon the name of Booby Gould and quake with fear.

[Dazzza]

Perhaps with enough pressure Mark Devlin may come back into the fold now that he's parted company with QPR after all he’s another old Diamandis stooge

Gray is just hopeless it doesn't matter what level of responsibility she has, she doesn't sound like she could wipe her arse with any sort of confidence.

At least with Devlin you got a shafting with a smile.

 Perhaps that’s a tad unfair because he did a good job of fronting things and came across very well and managed to deal with some difficult circumstances within the club.

[pauld]

At least with Devlin you got a shafting with a smile.

 

And professionally applied lubricant ...... erm, I've taken that metaphor just a bit too far haven't I?

[Reg Smeeton]

I've only just caught up with the latest on this topic......seems to have caused a stir on the Trust website.....what's that all about?

[Piemonte]

If anyone wants accounts from companies house, give me a shout.

I can get them free (within reason) through work.

[pauld]

I've only just caught up with the latest on this topic......seems to have caused a stir on the Trust website.....what's that all about?

Erm, embarrassing storm in a teacup. Tony N got his nose all out of joint because some of the info in this thread was part of the stuff the Trust put out three years ago (when Dunwoody supposedly disengaged from the club but really just went deeper into the background) and at the time we got a lot of flak for upsetting SSW. I think he feels annoyed that we got slated for uncovering and publicising info that people are now starting to get worried about. But the way he expressed his frustration was extremely high-handed to say the least - I know I'm not the only Trust board member to be embarrassed by his comments. So then a load of people piled in on his comment and slated either him for the comments (reasonably enough) or the Trust generally on the back of his comments (quite unfairly). Then it all degenerated into the usual squabble these things do.

Like I say, storm in a teacup - the bigger picture is what matters, not who said what to who and when.