War in Europe

[Samdy Gray]

That statement from their defense minister is just spin for "our armed forces are in disarray and we're making a hasty retreat".

They've run out of canon fodder and need to preserve the real army.

[mystical_goat]

And a retreat in the North means redeployment to the south and east of Ukraine. Seems they are keen to control the coast and shut off the ability of Ukraine to export via sea.

[RobertT]

What Putin wants, as a minimum, is a land bridge to Crimea, hence the bombardment there being less about taking control of City's and more about getting the residents to bugger off.  He'll essentially have the South and East of Ukraine back under a Russian map and full access to the Sea.  In an ideal world he'd have managed to get a new Govt. in Kyiv so he can lay control the Orthodox Church, but he can probably play a longer game for that one.

[4D]

Bet they're gutted.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61126391

[JBZ]

Perhaps we could start a new thread for BBC website articles which may (or may not) be of interest to forum members.

[Jimmy Quinn]

Let us know when you've started one😀

[Legends-Lounge]

Let us know when you've started one😀

If it is anything like this literary masterpiece on the Manchester Road and Swindon Railway Station areas then you’ll be waiting a while.

[Jimmy Quinn]

If it is anything like this literary masterpiece on the Manchester Road and Swindon Railway Station areas then you’ll be waiting a while.

I was wondering why he suggested having one when he could easily have created one for all to use!

[4D]

JBZ being TDroll due to me linking a number of BBC news articles. Whatever next.

[JBZ]

JBZ being TDroll due to me linking a number of BBC news articles. Whatever next.

That's unfair. I seem to recall that another poster commented on this.

[@MacPhlea]

Russia are on the verge of achieving their primary objective of securing the land corridor to Crimea - they cleared their forces from the North so are now free to threaten with tactical nuclear weapons being dropped on Kyiv if Ukraine doesn’t concede and handover this corridor and eastern regions.

[Batch]

Er,  not great if true.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-missile-poland-nato-ukraine-b2225824.html%3famp

Russia will of course blame the Ukraine

[Jimmy Quinn]

Same in The Guardian, let's hope it won't escalate further.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/15/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-updates-kherson-victory-marks-beginning-of-end-of-russian-war-zelenskiy-says

[horlock07]

So now we have the US saying its unlikely it was Russian whilst the Poles are noting no conclusive evidence as to who launched the missile.

So who knows.

[Bob's Orange]

So now we have the US saying its unlikely it was Russian whilst the Poles are noting no conclusive evidence as to who launched the missile.

So who knows.

Apparently, the trajectory of where the missile landed makes it almost very difficult/nigh on impossible to have been from Russia itself. If that's the case then the 2 options that spring to my mind are;

Ukraine fired the missile as an attempt to get NATO to act against Russia or Russian forces fired the missile from Ukranian territory as an attempt to get Ukraine in the bad books with NATO.

Or other scenarios that are probably obvious, but I haven't taken into consideration.