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« Reply #15 on: Monday, May 18, 2020, 20:12:58 »

They must think it's achievable as I'm sure Keir Starmer will keep reminding them
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« Reply #16 on: Monday, May 18, 2020, 20:15:40 »

They’re talking about 30 million doses by September - that’s half the population.
Astra Zeneca have agreed to produce that amount, problem lies in the fact that there are no vaccines yet!
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« Reply #17 on: Monday, May 18, 2020, 20:55:49 »

Yes, they are talking about 30m but as well as what other experts, holding leading roles around the world...

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« Reply #18 on: Monday, May 18, 2020, 22:11:40 »

It's pretty simple isn't it, we are building capacity (by signing contracts with big pharma companies) to produce a vacine if it's developed by September. 

I'm not sure you can hold any government around the world to account if no vacine is developed, if one was and we didn't have capacity thats a different matter.
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« Reply #19 on: Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 02:00:29 »

It's pretty simple isn't it, we are building capacity (by signing contracts with big pharma companies) to produce a vaccine if it's developed by September. 

I'm not sure you can hold any government around the world to account if no vaccine is developed, if one was and we didn't have capacity that is a different matter.

That isn't what government are saying though. They're saying they'll have 30m vaccines by September, available for the UK public. Looking at comments from many other leading world experts...that figure wouldn't be possible in 3-4 months, even if a successful candidate was identified.

It is nice to see that they are bringing the Harwell facility forward. As long as this isn't a bit like the Nightingale Hospitals...a White Elephant per se, purely to make BoJo look like some kind of super organised heroic man of great stature and leadership; because he's none of that.
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« Reply #20 on: Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 08:02:05 »

That isn't what government are saying though. They're saying they'll have 30m vaccines by September, available for the UK public. Looking at comments from many other leading world experts...that figure wouldn't be possible in 3-4 months, even if a successful candidate was identified.

It is nice to see that they are bringing the Harwell facility forward. As long as this isn't a bit like the Nightingale Hospitals...a White Elephant per se, purely to make BoJo look like some kind of super organised heroic man of great stature and leadership; because he's none of that.

This isnt quite what i've read...

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/uk-could-have-30m-doses-of-coronavirus-vaccine-by-september-claims-government

The Business Secretary Alok Sharma announced the target after a deal was struck between Oxford University and Astrazeneca.

It means if the vaccine candidate, known as Chaddox 1, works after trial then the pharmaceutical giant will pay for its commercialisation and manufacturing, before selling it at cost during the pandemic.

Mr Sharma said this agreement could lead to the delivery of 100 million doses in total, with 30 million of those available to Brits in as little as four months, well ahead of the predicted timeframe for developing a vaccine against Covid-19.

That is pretty clear for me. 

So the government shouldnt have created extra capacity in the nightingale hospitals? If the lockdown hadn't worked so well then you would be saying the complete opposite. 
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« Reply #21 on: Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 08:37:14 »

Is that the oxford vaccine that everyone has been hyping up that didn’t eradicate the virus in monkeys when tested?
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« Reply #22 on: Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 08:46:36 »

As long as this isn't a bit like the Nightingale Hospitals...a White Elephant per se, purely to make BoJo look like some kind of super organised heroic man of great stature and leadership; because he's none of that.

Scraping the barrel now, i know there is a daily quota on here of criticism that needs to be maintained (often justified) but this is a ridiculous criticism. Is was the clearly the right thing to have the extra thing capacity available should it be needed
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« Reply #23 on: Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 09:23:04 »

Scraping the barrel now, i know there is a daily quota on here of criticism that needs to be maintained (often justified) but this is a ridiculous criticism. Is was the clearly the right thing to have the extra thing capacity available should it be needed

The problem with the Nightingale Hospitals was not so much the logistic of setting them up, fairly easy to do and heavily reported in my sector (property and development) BDP who lead on it did a very good job, the white elephant was the fact that there was never ever going to be enough staff to actually use the things.

There is already a massive shortfall in NHS staffing so creating thousands of beds is actually pretty pointless without people to staff them, its been fairly well publicised that if hospitals wanted to refer patients to them, they basically had to send staff with them to look after them.

Sadly, like so much with this government (see also test kits being posted rather than tests actually being done) there is a lot of window dressing goes on to get headlines and deflect.
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« Reply #24 on: Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 09:24:09 »

I doubt we’ll be back to ‘normal’ for a ver6 long time.


When you say we'll do you mean the UK or Greece, Greece seems to be making a very good job of dealing with it, but then again they appear to have a government on top of things.
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« Reply #25 on: Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 09:38:14 »

I don't see how a vaccine can be declared safe for 30m people by September, even if it's declared successful in trials.

Surely we are selectively stockpiling in case it is good, so we have availability at that time -  **whenever** that is..
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« Reply #26 on: Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 09:45:32 »

I don't see how a vaccine can be declared safe for 30m people by September, even if it's declared successful in trials.

Surely we are selectively stockpiling in case it is good, so we have availability at that time -  **whenever** that is..

Buying 30m doses of something that not fully trialled would be up there with the antibody test kits and the PPE from Turkey.
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« Reply #27 on: Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 09:50:17 »

I don't see how a vaccine can be declared safe for 30m people by September, even if it's declared successful in trials.

Surely we are selectively stockpiling in case it is good, so we have availability at that time -  **whenever** that is..
I think this is exactly the case - I read that Astra Zeneca are going to start manufacturing at scale before all the normal clearances have been done, on a punt essentially, so that if and when it is approved and proven it will be available in large quantities rather than having a lag from approval and availability. The risk being of course that they end up with a warehouse full of unusable vaccine if it doesn't pass the trials. The govt are taking the financial risk by commiting to pay for the batch even if it can't be used, which in the circumstances, seems entirely reasonable. I think I read it was around the £80m mark, ordinarily a huge amount to risk on an unproven vaccine, but in the context of the billions being lost to Covid a wholly reasonable punt.
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« Reply #28 on: Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 09:52:28 »

Buying 30m doses of something that not fully trialled would be up there with the antibody test kits and the PPE from Turkey.
Sorry but I disagree. As I said above, the cost is IIRC somewhere in the region of £80m. If that means half the population can resume somewhere approaching normal life 3-6 months earlier than would otherwise be the case, that's a completely reasonable amount to gamble economically (bearing in mind the billions Covid is costing the economy), never mind from the health perspective.
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« Reply #29 on: Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 09:54:18 »

I think this is exactly the case - I read that Astra Zeneca are going to start manufacturing at scale before all the normal clearances have been done, on a punt essentially, so that if and when it is approved and proven it will be available in large quantities rather than having a lag from approval and availability. The risk being of course that they end up with a warehouse full of unusable vaccine if it doesn't pass the trials. The govt are taking the financial risk by commiting to pay for the batch even if it can't be used, which in the circumstances, seems entirely reasonable. I think I read it was around the £80m mark, ordinarily a huge amount to risk on an unproven vaccine, but in the context of the billions being lost to Covid a wholly reasonable punt.

The cynic in me wonders whether Tory donors have money tied up in AZ after the Dyson ventilators debacle where the Tory donor was contracted to make ventilators he couldn't make then compensated when it was cancelled, its happening too many times.

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