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« on: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 10:22:05 »

The place I am hoping to move into has no boiler or central heating. Instead, there are electric radiators mounted to the wall with plug sockets next to them. Water is heated by an immersion.

When viewing I took along our old neighbour who was a gas man. He knows his stuff and thought the immersion etc were all good (it's only 2yrs old), very efficient and well insulated etc.

But I'm thinking about the electricity bill.

My potential solutions:

Solar panels on roof
Electric shower (can then basically switch off the immersion)
Wood burner in living room reducing use of electric heat

Not sure about the wood burner. The idea is nice but have no idea how much one would cost to fit (I'd need a flue fitted too as there's no fireplace) and you can't pre-heat/time that as you would other forms of heating.
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« Reply #1 on: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 10:37:39 »

 With climate change, you may be surprised as to how little heating you need.... HW is desirable, and sounds taken care of.

 Of course, things like wood burners add CO2 to the atmosphere, and I'm sure you are an ethical sort.... you've always sounded so.

 The solar panels sound interesting.... solar industry sales have dipped about 80% in the last few years due to Tory decisions.
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 11:20:00 »

Can you get a dyno exercise bike? You could exercise, get warm and create energy in one go.
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« Reply #3 on: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 12:25:42 »

Aren't the government going to stop payments for selling back unused solar energy into the grid in March?

The general idea of storage heaters is to charge them overnight on a cheaper tariff and then dissipate the heat during the day. Add in the fact there's less sun during the winter and it probably means solar panels aren't the solution.
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 12:36:23 »

In no particular order...

I have never lived in a house where the storage heaters worked remotely satisfactorily, first thing we did on buying this place was to take them out and depend on the oil fired boiler, now replaced with GCH, which is too bloody hot now!

We had a wood burner in the old house which was brilliant and would basically heat the whole small house, bought it with us when we moved over here but it would need a flue fitting etc which we were quoted £1700+V to do (we can get the parts for £600 and its less than a days work the thieving bastards) so we haven't gone ahead, at lest for now.

You could also fit a back boiler to heat water and radiators if you so chose, but I do know in places they are on about banning new ones due to pollution, in Lancaster we did live in a smoke free zone but no-one took a jot of notice.

I fear the solar train has gone what with the reduction in grants and loss of feed benefits.

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 13:24:59 »

With climate change, you may be surprised as to how little heating you need.... HW is desirable, and sounds taken care of.

 Of course, things like wood burners add CO2 to the atmosphere, and I'm sure you are an ethical sort.... you've always sounded so.

 The solar panels sound interesting.... solar industry sales have dipped about 80% in the last few years due to Tory decisions.

You couldn’t make it up could you?

So let me get this right. I strugggle to understand why you of all people are happy any government, (and seeing as you love to nit pick on anything the Conservatives do) the current government, to give away tax paid by everyone including all your hard working less well off Labour supporting friends to well off Tory toffs with solar panels who get subsidised to install them and paid more money to put back into the grid what they generate? Wow.
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 13:51:29 »

With climate change, you may be surprised as to how little heating you need....

It's south-facing as well. Gets a lot of sunlight.

Aren't the government going to stop payments for selling back unused solar energy into the grid in March?

Around that time I heard, yes.

You could also fit a back boiler to heat water and radiators if you so chose, but I do know in places they are on about banning new ones due to pollution, in Lancaster we did live in a smoke free zone but no-one took a jot of notice.
Would have to plumb all the radiators in, would be pretty costly no?

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 13:58:28 »

Is downstairs plumbed for ch?
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 15:29:51 »

You couldn’t make it up could you?

So let me get this right. I strugggle to understand why you of all people are happy any government, (and seeing as you love to nit pick on anything the Conservatives do) the current government, to give away tax paid by everyone including all your hard working less well off Labour supporting friends to well off Tory toffs with solar panels who get subsidised to install them and paid more money to put back into the grid what they generate? Wow.

Although you are probably a climate change denier, I'm of the opinion that major shifts in how the economy works, will be required in the not too distant future. A shift to a greener based ecomomy is being debated in Labour circles...

https://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/3068639/labour-would-radically-transform-economy-to-focus-on-climate-change

This might include grants etc to encourage the use of solar.

It was Gore Vidal who described neoliberal capitalism as "free market for the poor, but socialism for the rich"    The rich do indeed get plenty of subsidies from the public purse, but I tend to the notion it should be more widely spread than concentrated in a relatively few hands.

Further, you are probably not someone motivated by ethical considerations, but OF strikes me as someone who is, hence will probably want to factor that into his thinking.
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« Reply #9 on: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 16:25:37 »

Hope that helps you goat  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #10 on: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 20:17:50 »

When viewing I took along our old neighbour who was a gas man.

Don't even go there, proper wrong uns.
They hit shirters don't you know.
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« Reply #11 on: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 21:32:31 »

Although you are probably a climate change denier, I'm of the opinion that major shifts in how the economy works, will be required in the not too distant future. A shift to a greener based ecomomy is being debated in Labour circles...

https://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/3068639/labour-would-radically-transform-economy-to-focus-on-climate-change

This might include grants etc to encourage the use of solar.

It was Gore Vidal who described neoliberal capitalism as "free market for the poor, but socialism for the rich"    The rich do indeed get plenty of subsidies from the public purse, but I tend to the notion it should be more widely spread than concentrated in a relatively few hands.

Further, you are probably not someone motivated by ethical considerations, but OF strikes me as someone who is, hence will probably want to factor that into his thinking.

Although you are probably a climate change denier, I'm of the opinion that major shifts in how the economy works, will be required in the not too distant future. A shift to a greener based ecomomy is being debated in Labour circles...

Wrong!

I'm of the opinion that major shifts in how the economy works, will be required in the not too distant future. A shift to a greener based ecomomy is being debated in Labour circles...

Correct, has been since the ‘70’s so nothing new there.

A shift to a greener based ecomomy is being debated in Labour circles...

As it is in other political circles no doubt.

Further, you are probably not someone motivated by ethical considerations,

Wrong again. Sweeping generalisations, and coming from you tsk, tsk, tsk.
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« Reply #12 on: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 23:02:28 »

Take your politics and pettiness elsewhere Legends Lounge!
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« Reply #13 on: Friday, January 4, 2019, 11:00:48 »

Take your politics and pettiness elsewhere Legends Lounge!

You request has been duly noted and passed onto your hero Paul.
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« Reply #14 on: Friday, January 4, 2019, 11:16:45 »

Take your politics and pettiness elsewhere Legends Lounge!

I'd say it's good to see LL's conversion to ethics and green thinking..... it was a only a few weeks back that he was supporting Cuadrilla's fracking in Lancashire, despite it being banned in Germany and Ireland for causing environmental damage and earthquakes...

... his reasoning, we cannot expect to reduce fossil fuel consumption at this point in our history, so lets just kick the can down the road.   At least it's British, despite Caudrilla being mostly owned by Austalians and a US investmemnt group fined $30 mill dollars, for employing fixers to corruptly get work from state level officials in the US.  It's reassuring to know such corruption couldn't possibly happen in our governance.
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