The 'handball' that wasn't.

[THE FLASH]

Defo pen for me.

Also accidental but caused by lack of skill is a pen too....like the United one today.

[Paolo69]

I've not seen it again but at the time thought it just hit him. If it wasn't deliberate then it isn't a pen. It didn't stop me shitting myself and looking straight to the ref.

Definitely seen them given but people can't really moan when the ref actually interprets the laws of the game correctly for a change. I agree with a Arriba that we'd be moaning like hell the other way around, still not a pen unless it was deliberate though.

[kerry red]

The real, and only, reason it wasn't a penalty was that the ref decided it wasn't.

[DarloSTFC84]

The real, and only, reason it wasn't a penalty was that the ref decided it wasn't.

How did you get to that conclusion?...

[kerry red]

It came to me in a dream!

[Honkytonk]

Ref was a bit shit for Sheffield - not letting them play on and pulling it back later to book Kasim for example, but it wasn't a handball. There's also the further guidance on page 119 of FIFA's laws of the game.

"Handling the ball
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with
the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into
consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an
infringement"

Like hundreds of penalty decisions a year, the ball is fired from a tiny distance into a defender's arm. There's zero to low chance of that defender being able to get his arm out of the way. It's ball to hand, not hand to ball.

[Peter Venkman]

Definate penalty, we got lucky....thats what football is about at times and can win or lose games because of judgemental errors by referees.

These decisions tend to even themselves out over a season though.

[donkey]

Ref was a bit shit for Sheffield - not letting them play on and pulling it back later to book Kasim for example, but it wasn't a handball. There's also the further guidance on page 119 of FIFA's laws of the game.

"Handling the ball
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with
the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into
consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an
infringement"

Like hundreds of penalty decisions a year, the ball is fired from a tiny distance into a defender's arm. There's zero to low chance of that defender being able to get his arm out of the way. It's ball to hand, not hand to ball.

I always think about what we'd do if a keeper got his hand to the ball.  In this case if Wes had saved that from that distance, we'd be on our feet applauding.  I assume no-one is claiming Gladwin is a better keeper than Wes...so it's not deliberate, and therefore no infringement has been committed.  No pen for me.

[THE FLASH]

Turnbull getting sythed down from behind in the League game was a pen....defo.

[donkey]

Turnbull getting sythed down from behind in the League game was a pen....defo.

The league game was a farce.

[Paolo69]

The league game was a farce.

Ahhh yes, pretty sure Sheffield had the rub of the green that day. Ref even went all "preseason" and seemed to let Cloughie sub their winger before he got sent off, predominantly for countless fouls on Thommo. Short memories!