New tower

[jayohaitchenn]

3.11 for workgroups was a class OS. Literally ground-breaking at the time.

[Peter Venkman]

TBF Windows 3.0 was good, 3.11 as Jayo says groundbreaking for networking, 95 and 98 both excellent at the time, ME 2000 and Vista were crap, XP good, Win 7 brilliant...Win 8 crap again.

[Chubbs]

Out of curiosity what is it about WIN 8 people don't like?

[Simon Pieman]

Currently looking at upgrades and need a Motherboard + CPU+ RAM. Saw a decent bundle which includes an i5-4760k for £350 with some free games and other stuff but I'm not sure I'd play the games.

Considering I don't play games I think I may take the single threaded performance hit and go the AMD route 

[sonicyouth]

Can you link that bundle please Si?

[Peter Venkman]

Out of curiosity what is it about WIN 8 people don't like?

For me its the horrible front end thats been written with touch screens in mind and also it does some things for you behind the scenes that I want control of that Windows 7 allows you to but 8 does not, that said it seems to run most programs as well as 7 does.

Yes the start button has returned in 8.1 but you have to opt in to use it, it should be standard on install.

[jonny72]

I don't think Win 8 is hated quite as much or is as bad as some people make out.

Main problem is its different, the interface has been pretty much the same in Windows for a long time and such a radicle change is hard for a lot of people to get their head round. So they just slag it off instead.

Other problem is its Microsoft and plenty of people are always queuing up to take cheap shots.

I like it, the interface is far better than Mac OS X which looks pre-historic in comparison now.

[Simon Pieman]

Can you link that bundle please Si?

http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-4th-gen-gamer-bundle--inc-z87-k-motherboard--intel-core-i5-4670k---8gb-vengeance-pro-black--8Y8X.html?catid=15005&src=3

The bundle changed today so you lose one of the games which from memory was only Rome II Total War

[Peter Venkman]

Currently looking at upgrades and need a Motherboard + CPU+ RAM. Saw a decent bundle which includes an i5-4760k for £350 with some free games and other stuff but I'm not sure I'd play the games.

Considering I don't play games I think I may take the single threaded performance hit and go the AMD route  

AMD's are fine in single thread applications but still lag well behind an i5 or i7, especially in video encoding and heavy processing appications like winrar.

Thats not a bad deal for £350 Si if you play the games as on Ebuyer currently Z87 MSi mobo = £65, 4670k = £176, 8gb Corsair Vengence 2133mhz Ram = £80, coming to a total of £321.

[Peter Venkman]

I don't think Win 8 is hated quite as much or is as bad as some people make out.

Main problem is its different, the interface has been pretty much the same in Windows for a long time and such a radicle change is hard for a lot of people to get their head round. So they just slag it off instead.

Other problem is its Microsoft and plenty of people are always queuing up to take cheap shots.

I like it, the interface is far better than Mac OS X which looks pre-historic in comparison now.

HP disagree with you.

http://www.geek.com/microsoft/hp-flogs-windows-7-systems-because-people-hate-windows-8-so-much-1582615/

[jayohaitchenn]

http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-4th-gen-gamer-bundle--inc-z87-k-motherboard--intel-core-i5-4670k---8gb-vengeance-pro-black--8Y8X.html?catid=15005&src=3

The bundle changed today so you lose one of the games which from memory was only Rome II Total War

Rome 2 is fucking mint.

[Flashheart]

Rome 2 is fucking mint.

Awesome game.

The problem for me though is that I've played it a gzillion times already as it's basically just the original Rome game only with enhanced graphics.

[Simon Pieman]

AMD's are fine in single threa applications but still lag well behind an i5 or i7, especially in video encoding and heavy processing appications like winrar.

Thats not a bad deal for £350 Si if you play the games as on Ebuyer currently Z87 MSi mobo = £65, 4670k = £176, 8gb Corsair Vengence 2133mhz Ram = £80, coming to a total of £321.

The benchmarks I've seen show the FX-8320 to be ahead or an a par for those uses.

FX-8320 + Asus Motherboard + 8GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical RAM 1600mhz  = £245

I could spend the difference on a new case, cooling, another SSD or something less nerdy and slightly more fun

[Simon Pieman]

Rome 2 is fucking mint.

It was the cheapest and oldest of all the games and hardly the deal breaker is what I meant

[jonny72]

HP disagree with you.

http://www.geek.com/microsoft/hp-flogs-windows-7-systems-because-people-hate-windows-8-so-much-1582615/

Ha ha. You didn't actually bother reading that article did you. All it says is....

"Over the weekend HP’s marketing team unleashed a real humdinger of a campaign. They’re proudly trumpeting the availability of systems running Windows 7 just in case PC buyers can’t stand the thought of Windows 8."