that bloke the police shot

[sonicyouth]

I think it's pointless speculating on why he ran and what happened because I imagine the police/government aren't being completely honest here. It wouldn't surprise me if this is a bit of a cover up for a complete fuck up on their behalf, hiding behind a case of mistaken identity and preying upon the paranoia of a nation just to get off the hook.

However, I do support the police to an extent although five bullets to the head seems a little harsh

[walrus]

He ran therefore he automatically deserved to have his fucking brains spread out?

Yeah that's top logic

No, he deserved to have his brains spread out because there was substantial reason to believe he was a terrorist.  He knew what the armed police were for.  In the current climate all stops must be pulled out to stop people who are fighting a war and are not afraid to die - this is what differentiates this war from anything else.

If we fight this war typical British fashion, football on Christmas Day, playing fair etc. more and more innocent people would have died.  Put it this way.  If the police had had the opportunity to kill him, but merely tried to slap handcuffs on him, and he'd blown himself up along with 50 people in a carriageway, one of which was special to you in some way, how would you feel?

What, David, would you suggest the police do?  Tackle the man and ask him what the bomb-looking device strapped to his waste his for?

[ron dodgers]

the guy who identified the body (his cousin?brother?) said he'd been shot though the back and out the jaw - what!
I don't think you ever find out what happened - even witnesses get it wrong.
I remember watching a TV program about this and not noticing a bloke dressed as a gorilla walking across the fucking screen!
It's sad he got killed - now we move on -  there will be more.

[flammableBen]

Of course this is all speculation but if in the current climate you here police shout stop or are shoot wouldn't your first reaction to be to get out of the way weather or not you were guilty of anything. Personally I think if I heard 'stop or we'll shoot' shouted then my first reaction would to be to leg it for some cover.

I don't like the police being able to shoot people dead with no reason and 'he might have been a terrorist' is a ridiculous excuse

[DMR]

He ran therefore he automatically deserved to have his fucking brains spread out?

Yeah that's top logic

No, he deserved to have his brains spread out because there was substantial reason to believe he was a terrorist.  

What, David, would you suggest the police do?  Tackle the man and ask him what the bomb-looking device strapped to his waste his for?

Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick twat

1. just re-read that point, idiot

2. he had NOTHING on him except clothes

[Nomoreheroes]

I think that the point here is that the police have to be pretty sure before they use deadly force.

Its not good enough if they have a 'Constable Savage' type attitude e.g. Wearing a loud shirt in a built up area, being in possession of an offensive wife..etc etc.

However, if they have good evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is a terrorist then deadly force is legitimate imho.

That is what has, for years, made our country (imho) a better place to live than the US.

Gawd help us if we decent into the shoot first think later attitude.

NMH

[pauld]

this is bollocks. if armed police tell you to stop then you stop -unless you're some retarded brazillian aparantly

If you know they're police - according to eyewitnesses, they didn't identify themselves as police, they just shouted "Stop! Get on the floor". The bloke's been followed by a gang of dodgy geezers in plainclothes three of who then come up to him, whip out guns and shout at him. OK, I'd like to think in the same circumstances I'd be bright enough to cotton on they were coppers, but I can understand why he might have thought he was being attacked and ran. He may even have thought they were terrorists. I have a lot of sympathy for the coppers in question though, but I think any inquiry should look at the officers commanding the surveillance operation and the nature of the intelligence they were working off and the briefing they were given.

Oh, and on the 5 shots being excessive thing - apparently that's standard. They've taken advice from the Israelis and the Sri Lankans (both of whom have a fair bit of experience in dealing with  suicide bombers) and the idea is that if you only do one head shot you run the risk of missing (like one of the eight shots that was actually fired at the guy hit him in the shoulder) so the advice is at least 5 shots - remember if you've got to the stage of shooting at the bloke, you're assuming he is a suicide bomber so the objective is to kill and kill quickly before he can set anything off.

[walrus]

He ran therefore he automatically deserved to have his fucking brains spread out?

Yeah that's top logic

No, he deserved to have his brains spread out because there was substantial reason to believe he was a terrorist.  

What, David, would you suggest the police do?  Tackle the man and ask him what the bomb-looking device strapped to his waste his for?

Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick twat

1. just re-read that point, idiot

2. he had NOTHING on him except clothes

The man in early reports was rumoured to be an electrician, and had wires eminating from his belt?  I haven't seen recent news reports on this, but has this account been altered?

[Foggy]

The police were using low velocity 9mm bullets to minimise the danger to the public and that is why he was shot 8 times,the officers are fully trained to deal with this situation and acted accordingly.IMHO they did the right thing and although i sympathise with the dead mans family ,i fully back our policemen/women,these people are specialists who train for years.They will now be suspended prior to an enquiry and im sure that this incident will haunt them for years to come.Like them or hate them ,they are trying to protect us from the scum called Terrorists.

[The Grim Reaper]

We will never know why he ran as he is now dead. I expect he had something to hide. However, when it is a state of national security the police will not take a chance. Personaly I don't see what all the fuss is about. I feel sorry for the officer who pulled the trigger as he is being made a scapegoat yet at the end of the day if his last direct order was " Shoot to kill" then surely he was only doing his job?

[walrus]

We will never know why he ran as he is now dead. I expect he had something to hide. However, when it is a state of national security the police will not take a chance. Personaly I don't see what all the fuss is about. I feel sorry for the officer who pulled the trigger as he is being made a scapegoat yet at the end of the day if his last direct order was " Shoot to kill" then surely he was only doing his job?

We will know why he ran.  His visa had expired.  Worth dying for...

[Spencer_White]

Brazillian police shoot 30 people a day.


Perspective lefties eh?

[pauld]

Brazillian police shoot 30 people a day.


Perspective lefties eh?

Well, if you want to play that game, they have a suicide bombing on the scale of the London attacks somwhere in Iraq every day. None of which minimises the tragic impact on the families of the victims - sorry but you can't do "perspective" on awful events like this.

[Piemonte]

Brazillian police shoot 30 people a day.


Perspective lefties eh?

Well, if you want to play that game, they have a suicide bombing on the scale of the London attacks somwhere in Iraq every day. None of which minimises the tragic impact on the families of the victims - sorry but you can't do "perspective" on awful events like this.

No, you really can. I dont think its a tragedy, its entirley his own fault he's dead.

I dont know him or his family and I dont feel the slightest sadness towards what happend. The police made a split second decision which I believe was correct given the information they had at the time.  end of.

To use perspective-  whats better?  one idiots life or the 50 lifes that would have been taken if he had been a suicde bomber

[Gethimout]

well i read in the news paper that police found details on him in one of the bags that were going to be blown up.

So police were in survaillance on his house for 24hrs and followed him out of his house.

By this time aparantly he was wearing a jacket and they thought he was wearing a bomb under neath this so there direct orders were shoot to kill.

By this time they has shouted "police, STOP!" and the man started running and then what happened, happened!!!

DON'T quote me on this