Vineyard Church

[Flashheart]

Wiggy

You should show your daughter 'miracles for sale' by Derren Brown. A google search for 'Vineyard Churches scam' has that as the top result.

[LucienSanchez]

All sounds a bit scary and Christian fundamentalist.There surely should be some sort of parental consent rule for this sort of thing.Glad I don't have kids,who'd have thought there would come a time where you have to worry about your kid going to Church..

Depends if you're Catholic or not...

[reeves4england]

All sounds a bit scary and Christian fundamentalist.

I disagree entirely. It sounds much more like poor communication, or perhaps even dishonesty, which really shouldn't happen when children are involved.

There surely should be some sort of parental consent rule for this sort of thing.Glad I don't have kids,who'd have thought there would come a time where you have to worry about your kid going to Church..

I agree entirely. But again, I think the blame lies more with the parent of the other child than the church itself, they were probably told she was there with parental consent.

As for the wiki quote which Flasheart is *shudder*ing at, to me it looks nothing more than a load of long words which saying nothing other than "Yeh, we're a church, but we want to be different"

[Arriba]

Would be better if they were actually in a vineyard. Would attract more numbers if they handed out free wine,and it would help with their brainwashing.

[Flashheart]

As for the wiki quote which Flasheart is *shudder*ing at, to me it looks nothing more than a load of long words which saying nothing other than "Yeh, we're a church, but we want to be different"

Yeah.

They seem very 'different' alright.

[Samdy Gray]

Not exactly Scientology different though.

[Flashheart]

Not too far off though it would seem Samdy.

Searches for Vineyard churches 'cult' and 'weird' ring a lot of alarm bells. They seem like just the kind of thing Derren Brown exposed. Speaking in tongues, miracle healings and all that really strange stuff.

I'd be very, very concerned if my daughter was anywhere near that lot.

[Barry Scott]

It sounds a bit like one of those truly stupid religions, like mormonism, that's been imported from across the pond.

[thedarkprince]

I think some people on here have gone WAY over the top. As some sensible-sounding person said earlier the problem here is with the friend's mum. She clearly knew what was happening so should've informed Wiggy fully and let him make the decision.

Wiggy, go along if you're concerned and then make an informed decision rather than listening to the views of people who Google it and believe what they're reading.

For what it's worth, i think all religion is bloody odd so this doesn't really stand out from the pack in terms of nutjob-ness.

[Flashheart]

Over the top?


(Part one of that video confirms it is a vineyard thing)

And the reality.........



Note Derren's last words

[thedarkprince]

Over the top?

You mean you can't do that?

Alright, it's a bit weird but one YouTube clip doesn't actually prove anything. They do this type of shit in all forms of religion. To single out this lot as being crazier than the rest is naive. Especially as Christianity as a whole appears to believe that some guy born in the Middle East was white.

[Bob's Orange]

This thread is over jew some puns.

Its making me cross, Jesus!

[Flashheart]

The main difference here I think is that most Christians actually believe the nonsense they propagate.

These vineyard people however, particularly the ones at the top, must be knowingly and willingly lying to people. And there's more than just one youtube clip, many more.

[reeves4england]

The main difference here I think is that most Christians actually believe the nonsense they propagate.

These vineyard people however, particularly the ones at the top, must be knowingly and willingly lying to people. And there's more than just one youtube clip, many more.

I'd be wary of tarring all Vineyard churches with the same brush. You might be right, or the church in Trowbridge might be full of honest, 'normal' people. It's a bit like the Elim group of pentecostal churches - you can go to two of those and see very little similarity in the stuff they do.

[Flashheart]

So somebody should allow their 12 year old daughter to go because they might not be as weird as the rest?