Is our start really that bad?

[mrverve]

Yes they are and no it doesnt.

Busts up happen all the time, difference being this one was out in the open and not in the changing room.

[Foggy]

Yes they are and no it doesnt.

Care to qualify that statement Dan?

[Doore]

Care to qualify that statement Dan?

Judging by his record I would guess not...

[Miles Mayhem]

Busts up happen all the time, difference being this one was out in the open and not in the changing room.

it really is hard to say what goes on in every dressing room every saturday. I would guess this is pretty common and only is a massive issue due to PDC's past

[tans]

Busts up happen all the time, difference being this one was out in the open and not in the changing room.

Bang on. If it wasnt on camera no-one would even fucking know

[Reg Smeeton]

Indeed, we had a similar start under Macari in 85 when we won the league, if we had got rid of him then we would never have got 102 point that very same season.

A little time and hopefully we can do the same again glass half full.

I never tire of pointing out that Lou...had a season 84/85 where he worked up to being able to turn around our shaky start. In that season we had a dodgy start,  3 wins in 11 I think, but a new man needs time etc. He'd had taken over from Ken Beamish who had previously achieved our lowest ever position and lowest ever crowds, so everyone knew it would most likely not happen overnight.

Macari....started by making us hard to beat at home, 14 undefeated from October, after a dodgy September. The away form was just about a mirror image of defeats until after the infamous sacking incident, when it picked up.

So he was building in 85/86 from something reasonably stable....at the start of the season, several of his new signings didn't work...Mossy, Tony Evans, Joke Findlay, Derek Hall...so were rapidly ditched. The one stand out was Colin Calderwood, as a leader....

The later additions of Bambi and Kammy, turning it into an unbeatable unit...

ATM we're light years away from anything like that side....and in this current climate the manager wont get the time to build, unless there is some evidence of progress...

[DV]

Care to qualify that statement Dan?

Loads of people are laughing at us - I've had the usual plastic arm chair mancs, gooners and scousers all ask what's going on at Swindon and talking about how mental Di Canio is what a laughing stock we are. Not to mention plenty of other fans on mixed forums.

I've seen very few on pitch bust ups so I dont think its fair to say it happens every week - you could claim it happens behind closed doors - maybe it does? but thats still not on the pitch and still not in the public eye. Obviously there was Bowyer and Dyer at Newcastle a few years ago but how often does the fitness coach go onto the pitch argue with a player who then argues with his manager and then ends up fighting down the tunnel? There are so many cameras about (certainly at the top level anyway) that if scenes like that were happening every week they'd get as much media attention as we have following the incident.

Also, thats 'allegedly' about the 3rd or 4th player Di Canio has had a bust up with already.

[JanAageisGod]

Ronnie chuffing Irani and Alan Brazil were revelling in it on talksport. So let us use that denominator to assume the piss was being taken. We are PDC's Swindon and little else to the nationals a la Nigel Clough and Burton Albion.

[Paolo69]

Good post Reg. Lets face it we're all hoping PDC will be a modern day Lou. He is indeed light years away at the moment but hopefully he can turn things around. He may need a couple of wins or even draws to get people off his back for a while. Problem is we don't really do mid table very well do we.

I can't believe some people have sided with Clarke in saying we're training them too hard. Every game i've watched the town in last 20+ years someone has probably harked back to how fit Lou's team were, how they're not as fit today etc etc....

[Foggy]

Fair enough Dan but how many league 1 and 2 clubs have the same sort of media attention that we do this season? not many i would suggest. Everyone knows that Di Canio is a bit different to the norm so that shouldnt come as any great suprise to fans of other clubs, i havent heard anyone call us a laughing stock. Maybe these supposed bust ups are with players that think that they are better than they actually are? who knows? certainly not me or you or anyone outside STFC.    

[DV]

Even with limited media coverage the lower leagues probably have enough cameras and reporters there that incidents like the one we had the other night would get seen and talked about. I have no doubt that Di Canio will bring a bit more media attention but I still dont think things like that happen regulary up and down the country but go unnoticed.

Timlin has never struck me as 'thinks that he's better than he actually is' but then I dont really know the bloke...

[Paolo69]

Loads of people are laughing at us - I've had the usual plastic arm chair mancs, gooners and scousers all ask what's going on at Swindon and talking about how mental Di Canio is what a laughing stock we are. Not to mention plenty of other fans on mixed forums.

Fuck me DV if we were worried about armchair fans of big clubs taking the piss then i think we should all have given up years ago. We all know most of them don't know what they're talking about anyway so why listen to the cunts.

[mrverve]

I think we have to realise that the media will sensationalise the positives and the negatives because of PDC's stature in the game. However annoying or innacurate it might be we just have to learn to live with it.

DV, honestly why do you give a flying fuck what other fans think? Seriously?

[Reg Smeeton]

Loads of people are laughing at us - I've had the usual plastic arm chair mancs, gooners and scousers all ask what's going on at Swindon and talking about how mental Di Canio is what a laughing stock we are. Not to mention plenty of other fans on mixed forums.

I've seen very few on pitch bust ups so I dont think its fair to say it happens every week - you could claim it happens behind closed doors - maybe it does? but thats still not on the pitch and still not in the public eye. Obviously there was Bowyer and Dyer at Newcastle a few years ago but how often does the fitness coach go onto the pitch argue with a player who then argues with his manager and then ends up fighting down the tunnel? There are so many cameras about (certainly at the top level anyway) that if scenes like that were happening every week they'd get as much media attention as we have following the incident.

Also, thats 'allegedly' about the 3rd or 4th player Di Canio has had a bust up with already.

A good manager saves his punches for his own team for the changing room....eg Pulis on Beatie

He should save the aggro in the tunnel or pitch for the opposition eg Mourinho on Barca gofer.

Don't they teach this shit on the FIFA pro license course?

[DV]

Fuck me DV if we were worried about armchair fans of big clubs taking the piss then i think we should all have given up years ago. We all know most of them don't know what they're talking about anyway so why listen to the cunts.

I'm not worried but the point is they are laughing at us....

DV, honestly why do you give a flying fuck what other fans think? Seriously?

As above, I dont give a fuck - the perception is still we're a joke club with a mental manager and we cant win a game in the bottom division.