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« Reply #30 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 19:12:58 »

although i can see how jordan could get offended it was a joke.stuff that is meant as a joke should maybe be taken that way?

I think disability is a step to far( Doh)when it comes to jokes.
Is making a thousand people laugh acceptable if 20 are really offended.....not for me it isn't.
But commercially it is....
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« Reply #31 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 20:07:05 »

although i can see how jordan could get offended it was a joke.stuff that is meant as a joke should maybe be taken that way?

I can see why this bit was amusing

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He also joked that “Jordan and Peter Andre are still fighting each other over custody of Harvey – eventually one of them will lose and have to keep him.”

But this?

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Boyle said: “I have a theory about the reason Jordan married a cage fighter – she needed a man strong enough to stop Harvey from f**king her.”

If anyone can explain to me how this is considered 'a joke', please crack on because I'm clearly missing the humour in it......
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« Reply #32 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 20:20:52 »

I can see why this bit was amusing

But this?

If anyone can explain to me how this is considered 'a joke', please crack on because I'm clearly missing the humour in it......

Yeah, if some one told me that last joke down the pub I would actually be pretty embarassed.
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« Reply #33 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 20:23:05 »

The f**king bit i didnt find funny, it was the other one!
Like fB said, it seems Mr Boyle may have lost his way a little bit and the line has blurred between shock comedy and just being offensive.
I am of the view that a joke is a joke and should be seen that way. I agree that taking the piss out of a disabled child however is probably boarderline!
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« Reply #34 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 20:23:40 »

it's a joke.up to you whether you think it's funny or not,but should be taken as it's meant..
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« Reply #35 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 20:27:06 »

Mary Whitehouse would've melted Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 20:28:52 »

It's fine being a joke but it's actually very personal aswell isn't it. I can understand why she wouldn't be happy.
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« Reply #37 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 21:06:09 »

Can't stand the old tart myself, but she has done well for herself on limited resources, namely an inflatable chest However as my other half used to work with learning disabilities and having met lots of them my self I'm not finding it too funny. They are generally very caring lovable folk with a very sunny disposition and a strong personality that would put a lot of "normal" folk to shame
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« Reply #38 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 21:56:01 »

I think disability is a step to far( Doh)when it comes to jokes.
Is making a thousand people laugh acceptable if 20 are really offended.....not for me it isn't.
But commercially it is....

Ninja Edit: this ended up not really being a reply to leefer at all, but more of a general badly written set of thoughts on the subject, so it's not really directed at you leefs, your quote was just a starting point

I disagree. Taking advantage of an innocent party for cheap laughs (especially when it's not funny) isn't on, but tackling difficult subjects with comedy is important, if only to take a step back and look at the absurdity of things, horrible or not.

Take something we all take for granted like Blackadder Goes Forth. On the face of it making a sitcom about a war which cost the lives of so many people is pretty dark at best. With hindsight it's easy to forget the potential for offence - portraying the british war effort as anything other than heroic, showing the war dead as flawed selfish characters and the danger of taking advantage of one of the world's greatest loss of life for laughs.

Luckily it's brilliantly done. It finds that very thin line of absurdity through the middle of tragedy almost perfectly.

People had misgivings about it at the time though, and no doubt it offended some for the reasons given above. Can you imagine the outcry if it was made today, and the Daily Mail ran with the headline "BBC disrespects heroic war dead with trenches 'comedy'"? It's all too easy.

The Brass Eye Paedophile Special is probably the most divisive example of something which offended people, but in my opinion at least, was fully justified, funny and brilliant.

Child abuse is a fucking tough subject to make a comedy about. Of course the paedogeddon episode isn't directly about child abuse at all. It's about the hysterical media reaction to the point of glamorisation of paedophilia, not only finding the absurd in the media reaction, but cynically highlighting the dark scaremongering hyperbole that the papers will resort too, just to increase sales.

Which in my mind, whilst it was controversial, it really highlights where satire is really important, even if it does risk offending people. Would anybody have had the guts to make a serious documentary in the same vein of the Brass Eye episode? I don't think so. Jokes are easier to walk away from, but can still ask important questions.

It's also important to note how many of the personalities who publicly came out as 'offended' completely missed the point. Beverley Hughes MP, called it "unspeakably sick" before admitting she hadn't actually seen it. Tessa Jowel asked the Independent Telly Commission to reinstate censorship. But best of all you got this (which I've posted before I'm sure):

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I've meandered through this massively, but the risk of offending people has to be a part of comedy, because comedy is important in breaking down the absurdity of real life, and sometimes those being mocked deserve it, offended or not. You can't judge it by simple numbers, twenty people were offended so that's too far. Especially when the whole act of being offended is now rarely people being legitimately offended, but people being offended with an agenda.

Television would be fucking shit if Mary Whitehouse had got her way.

I've just spent an hour writing that. I'm out of tef rant practice.
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« Reply #39 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 22:05:32 »

Great post Ben
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« Reply #40 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 22:06:06 »

Great write up.

Did that paper purposely write about a 15 year olds boobs on the neighbouring page?
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« Reply #41 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 22:10:29 »

Great write up.

Did that paper purposely write about a 15 year olds boobs on the neighbouring page on purpose?

On purpose?
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« Reply #42 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 22:12:30 »

Oop.
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« Reply #43 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 22:19:39 »

Great write up.

Did that paper purposely write about a 15 year olds boobs on the neighbouring page on purpose?

If they did then I've severely underestimated the comedy genius of the Daily Star. Unfortunately I don't think that's the case.

Can't find a picture but the daily mail also did something similar (quoting guardian article):

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One Mail splurge on the programme (headed 'Unspeakably sick', the words of one of the Ministers who hadn't watched it) was preceded by close-ups of Princesses Beatrice (13) and Eugenie (11) in their bikinis.

I think it just shows that the tabloid's moral outrage goes about as far as selling papers.
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« Reply #44 on: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 22:38:44 »

I feel a bit lost now I've finished writing all that. Can more people congratulate me on a great post, or even better, argue with me?
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