Bit of a hoo-haa down in london

[leefer]

It is indeed remarkable the extent to which Labour have got off more or less scot-free from a situation that is as much, if not more, their making than the coalition's. Doesn't make the overall thing right though

True Paul.....but they didn't pledge..ala promise no fees.
Both the Tories and Labour will be very happy...........no hung parliament next time up...thats a certainty.

[Rich Pullen]

Good on them for a bit of protest... All this "why didn't they do this and that when Labour did this and that..." It's a generation thing with students isn't it? My student years were void of major protests apart from the war in Iraq and a lecturer strike which potentially effected our degrees.

I marched in London because I believe the war was wrong, I didn't for one moment believe it would make one bit of difference. I went because it was an active gesture of disapproval.

If these kids are unhappy then good on them for showing it. I would imagine this is less about the Tories and more about the scores of people buying into Clegg as many of us did until we went to the Poll Station... I'm glad I decided against it in the end.

Also, I love student bashing, it always sounds so bitter and for what? Nothing

[LucienSanchez]

PGCE out the window now, no way i'll pay potentially £9k plus interest for that. So out goes teaching, in comes plan B (hint, there was/is no plan B. oh dear.)

[walrus]

PGCE out the window now, no way i'll pay potentially £9k plus interest for that. So out goes teaching, in comes plan B (hint, there was/is no plan B. oh dear.)

Isn't it different for teaching?  I was going to do a PGCE last year and the fees were much less than a degree, and there were grants available even if you weren't poor...

[Processed Beats]

Participated in a protest in Ciren today. Nothing compared to what happened in London though.

[Saxondale]

Isn't it different for teaching?  I was going to do a PGCE last year and the fees were much less than a degree, and there were grants available even if you weren't poor...

I was under the impression it wasn't coming in for teaching until 2012.  Ill be right tits off if thats not the case. 

[Reg Smeeton]

Isn't it different for teaching?  I was going to do a PGCE last year and the fees were much less than a degree, and there were grants available even if you weren't poor...

They're pretty desperate for new teachers in certain areas and subjects....the government's White Paper on Education t'other week, wants to make teacher training in school, cutting out the academic stuff.  Also to recruit ex police and forces personnel, better suited to the needs of maintaining order.

[Div]

PGCE out the window now, no way i'll pay potentially £9k plus interest for that. So out goes teaching, in comes plan B (hint, there was/is no plan B. oh dear.)

Government want to cut down the number of PGCE taught teachers and want to increase the number of teachers qualified through schools - i.e hands on learning instead of university based. Apparently they are going to shove money into schools so they can employ trainees through them because 'it's better that way and it'll be worth more in the long term'. So, instead of paying the PGCE fee you'll get a training salary - similar to the GTP route the TDA currently offer.

edit: (what Reg said)

[Lumps]

They're pretty desperate for new teachers in certain areas and subjects....the government's White Paper on Education t'other week, wants to make teacher training in school, cutting out the academic stuff.  Also to recruit ex police and forces personnel, better suited to the needs of maintaining order.

Kind of gives you a flavour of their concept of education doesn't it.

[DMR]

Fucking freeloaders,

Give the old bill free rein to crack a few skulls and use the old pepper spray and most of these unwashed cowardly cunts who have never done an honest days work in their lives will run a fucking mile.

Wankers

Do one, preferably back to your council house x

[Nemo]

I presume trolling like that comes with a free rickety bridge?

I might have missed something, but I don't full understand why the debate (not the vote today, I understand that, but the wider debate) was limited to "how can we fund the current University intake levels"

Personally, two more important questions would be:

1) Do we really want 50% of people to go to University as the previously stated target was, and if so, do we want them doing some of the flowerier arts courses that are available?

2) If we are going to have that level of people going to University, why does it seem to be an even funding solution between courses? Personally, I'd happily subsidise people doing Maths and particularly pure Science courses, while buggers like me doing business will probably earn enough in their life time to be alright without excessive subsidy (and those doing 17th century pottery can pay back the lot, thanks)

[Nemo]

A car containing Prince Charles and Camilla has been attacked by protesters in central London, in violent scenes after MPs voted to raise tuition fees in England to up to £9,000 per year.

A window was cracked and their car hit by paint, but the couple were unharmed.

Er, what?

[pauld]

True Paul.....but they didn't pledge..ala promise no fees.
Both the Tories and Labour will be very happy...........no hung parliament next time up...thats a certainty.

True dat, leefer. And the Lib Dems have got fuck all chance of persuading anyone to vote for PR/AV in the referendum on reforming the voting system - why would anyone believe a single word that comes out of of their mouths after this? The Tories have done Clegg like a kipper, the naive little twat

[pauld]

Er, what?

They just had a bloke on BBC News 24 saying it was a "serious breach of royal protocol". I think it was a bit more than that, mate. Although I love the idea of there being a section in Debretts on the correct way of approaching royals arriving at the theatre. "On no account must one mob up and cover the royals' vehicle in white paint, have a go at their outriders and smash their windows. To do so would be a serious breach of royal protocol. Or if you must do so, at least have the dignity to curtsey first"

[Nemo]

True dat, leefer. And the Lib Dems have got fuck all chance of persuading anyone to vote for PR/AV in the referendum on reforming the voting system - why would anyone believe a single word that comes out of of their mouths after this? The Tories have done Clegg like a kipper, the naive little twat

True, which is a shame as the AV election is something I'd actually be vaguely positive about. Sadly, if it's sold as a referendum on Nick Clegg then "Yes" will be lucky to make it into double figures.

I just don't understand why the Lib Dems would allow such a divisive issue to happen so soon on the legislative agenda, surely they'd spend the first year on issues where they agree with the bloody Tories at least?

And also, I'd love to have heard what Charles was saying when that happenned.