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« Reply #45 on: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 23:37:28 » |
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According to Wikipedia: Although it is the only tax which is set by local government, the Council Tax contributes only a small proportion (25%, on average) of local government revenue. The majority comes from central government grants and from business rates which are collected centrally and redistributed to local authorities.
Local government provide services such as police, fire, recycling, refuse collection and removal, schools, leisure centres, park and ride schemes, parks and open spaces, street cleaning, subsidising of public transport, tourism, museums, social housing grants, housing and council tax benefits, environmental health and food safety in pubs, restaurants and shops, planning services, support for voluntary groups, meals on wheels, facilities for young people, adapting homes for disabled people, play centres for children, cctv installation, sports facilities, issuing taxi licences, flood defences, and many others. I'd agree rich people use the services less yet pay more but that's how most taxation works anyway.
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« Reply #46 on: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 23:42:31 » |
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Yeah, sorry, it was just an example. It's not a case I especially believe in, tbh, I was just trying to explain where that argument comes from - you could also throw defence into the mix as something we all benefit from (insofar as we do) in equal measure
I know, to be fair it's a difficult thing to satisfy.....hence why I'm not keen on politics 
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« Reply #47 on: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 23:44:05 » |
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I'd agree rich people use the services less yet pay more but that's how most taxation works anyway.
And to clarify my exact position on this "Oh, the rich pay more do they? Ah bless. Fuck em"
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« Reply #48 on: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 23:53:04 » |
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They already pay more by virtually everything they do - work, save, invest blah blah blah
I fail to see the logic in making them pay more for services they dont use. increasing income tax would be fairer.
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« Reply #49 on: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 23:54:24 » |
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that has little to do with council tax though.more your income-national insurance
National insurance goes into the massive general taxation melting pot these days. Is not ring fenced for the NHS or welfare. Its a secondary income tax, nothing more.
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« Reply #50 on: Friday, April 2, 2010, 06:57:30 » |
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do rich people not use the police force or get the bins collected?
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« Reply #51 on: Friday, April 2, 2010, 07:42:59 » |
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Inheritence tax should be scrapped on estates below 1 million.
Why should the bastard governement get their hands on what in effect, is a gift to you.
We pay enough in National Insurance and Income tax already.
That is one reason I will be voting Conservative.
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« Reply #52 on: Friday, April 2, 2010, 07:54:13 » |
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Inheritence tax should be scrapped on estates below 1 million.
Why should the bastard governement get their hands on what in effect, is a gift to you.
We pay enough in National Insurance and Income tax already.
That is one reason I will be voting Conservative.
Who cares if it is a gift or not. You miss the point that the person leaving you the money has already paid tax on it! That's the fucking con.
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« Reply #53 on: Friday, April 2, 2010, 07:56:03 » |
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Ok, you got the point across better than me but that is what I meant.
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« Reply #54 on: Friday, April 2, 2010, 08:06:50 » |
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poll tax made everyone pay the same amount,regardless of wealth and income. great for the rich,not the rest of us.
So, would you be happy if every time you went to a pub you had to pay 10 pounds a pint while some of forum members only had to pay 2 pounds a pint and others paid 15 pounds per pint - because beer prices were based upon income?
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« Reply #55 on: Friday, April 2, 2010, 12:21:52 » |
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So, would you be happy if every time you went to a pub you had to pay 10 pounds a pint while some of forum members only had to pay 2 pounds a pint and others paid 15 pounds per pint - because beer prices were based upon income?
no
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« Reply #56 on: Friday, April 2, 2010, 12:31:35 » |
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It always amuses me the way that the Tory supporters always bring up the old chestnut of the Winter of Discontent.Yet they suffer a severe memory loss, when it comes to the last Tory Government and Black Wednesday.
'White' Wednesday is always used as a stick to beat the Tories with, but it's worth remembering that it would have occurred who ever was in power, because it was the result of our disastrous membership of the ERM which was fully and enthusiastically supported by all the main parties. In fact Labour and the Lentil Munchers often criticized the Tories at the time (before we withdrew)for not joining sooner, including the current fuckwit Prime Minster (whose economic judgment as we all know is second to none)
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« Reply #57 on: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 19:58:58 » |
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do rich people not use the police force or get the bins collected?
Not in Toddy's world evidently. They clearly take their own refuse to the local recycling facility and live in areas where there is zero crime and therefore no need for the police.......
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« Reply #58 on: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 22:58:13 » |
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Not in Toddy's world evidently. They clearly take their own refuse to the local recycling facility
That's an outrageous slur. What do you think they have staff for?
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« Reply #59 on: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:20:45 » |
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do rich people not use the police force or get the bins collected?
If they're that rich, they use the police force to collect the bins.
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