The BA Strike

[Jamiesfuturewife]

whats a purser???

[Fred Elliot]

something you keep your money in

[Barry Scott]

whats a purser???

Managing steward/stewardess. CSD > Purser > Steward/Stewardess. It's like a manager of a section of the plane who in turn is answerable to the Cabin services director.

Edited in case a family member somehow read this site!

[Simon Pieman]

So what are the basic salaries for other airlines? It's a question of market conditions. Don't go comparing to other industries otherwise the (what I also think is stupid) Soldiers argument is equally valid.

[Arriba]

is comparing to other airlines fair too?
if that were the case, in any work related dispute employees would just be walked over in every walk of life.they get this, so you should too.dangerous ground is that i think.
people have contracts and certain things that go with it.if they see that getting attacked, then good on them for standing up to it.

this country is going backwards in terms of employees welfare and conditions.the recent, and current disputes with workforces will escalate i think.

[Colin Todd]

But if the contract is excessive by industry standards (i.e. BA pays more and has more staff on flights than other airlines) when the company is losing money hand over fist then the logical step to take is to cut costs and bring BA in line with the industry standard.

The cabin crew arent being shit on, they had a great deal in the 1st place!

The crew seem to think that BA losing a fortune will carry on idefinatley and all will be well when in reality the whole company could go bust.

[Simon Pieman]

We live in a capitalist society, employee pay is determined by the labour market being supply and demand (the anomaly is minimum wage). If BA pays the going rate then I don't see why staff should stop working. If BA pays a disgustingly low rate then fair enough, but why work for them in the first place only to refuse to work if it's not good enough.

How do you determine if the rate is good or bad anyway? You compare it as close you can to something similar in that job market. A person who works in Waitrose may feel underpaid compared to Chartered Quantity Surveyor, but comparing to other supermarkets they may pay better (I don't know if that's the case just an example). Comparing job roles in similar businesses is the only reasonable way to go about it. That's not to say there should be an even playing field between companies, but it is a benchmark.

BA is going down the toilet and it cannot change the existing contracts so it's having to do what it can to cut costs other ways. Unfortunatley the non-contractual benefits is one of them. It could be the final nail in their coffin and a silly move if they didn't think strikes were a possibility. I wonder how much worse off BA will be as a result of these strikes. Redundancies later in the year?

[Talk Talk]

is comparing to other airlines fair too?
if that were the case, in any work related dispute employees would just be walked over in every walk of life.they get this, so you should too.dangerous ground is that i think.
people have contracts and certain things that go with it.if they see that getting attacked, then good on them for standing up to it.

this country is going backwards in terms of employees welfare and conditions.the recent, and current disputes with workforces will escalate i think.

Of course it is fair Arriba.

We have been here before on another thread a few months back.

Virgin Atlantic (one of BA's major competitors) don't go on strike, do they? I am pretty sure that their cabin staff are happy with their lot, otherwise they would leave and get a better job on another airline. BA staff only strike because the useless cunts in the union decide that they should and the staff have no option but to be members.

It is absolute bollocks, completely outdated, outmoded and I hope BA go down the shitter because of it. I will feel slightly sorry for the employees, but that was their choice to work for BA in the first place.

Oh and the country is not going backwards with employee conditions. It is called 'reality' when the economy has been put in a terminal dive because of your friends in the Palace of Westminster, then it hurts us all.

[Talk Talk]

Alternatively BA staff could tell UNITE to fuck off and renounce the union completely. That I would love to see.

It might just save their jobs and the company.

[pauld]

whats a purser???

Like a purse, only more so

[ron dodgers]

I love a good strike - brings out the best in a person
fight or be fucked - it's your choice

[Lumps]

Of course it is fair Arriba.

We have been here before on another thread a few months back.

BA staff only strike because the useless cunts in the union decide that they should and the staff have no option but to be members.

It is absolute bollocks, completely outdated, outmoded and I hope BA go down the shitter because of it. I will feel slightly sorry for the employees, but that was their choice to work for BA in the first place.

I know most of what you write when it comes to politics is ill-informed bollocks but this one really pushes the fucking boat out.

Staff have no choice but to join Unite? What you're suggesting is a closed shop TT, which is BOLLOCKS! You've suggested that such things exist in the UK in a couple of threads now and I don't have fucking clue where you get the idea from.

And they're on strike because the Union decided they should be, strange because I thought that in a secret ballot with an 80% turnout there was an over 80% vote in favour of strike action.

Of course I could be wrong because I get all my news from sources that are inherently compromised like the BBC and the Daily Telegraph, rather than the "anarcho-capitalist" nut-job conspiracy theorist bloggers you prefer.

[Talk Talk]

I know most of what you write when it comes to politics is ill-informed bollocks but this one really pushes the fucking boat out.

Staff have no choice but to join Unite? What you're suggesting is a closed shop TT, which is BOLLOCKS! You've suggested that such things exist in the UK in a couple of threads now and I don't have fucking clue where you get the idea from.

And they're on strike because the Union decided they should be, strange because I thought that in a secret ballot with an 80% turnout there was an over 80% vote in favour of strike action.

Of course I could be wrong because I get all my news from sources that are inherently compromised like the BBC and the Daily Telegraph, rather than the "anarcho-capitalist" nut-job conspiracy theorist bloggers you prefer.

 

I'm going to book up for a romantic candlelit dinner for two and take you out for an evening.

Which flowers do you like best?

[jayohaitchenn]

I know most of what you write when it comes to politics is ill-informed bollocks but this one really pushes the fucking boat out.

Staff have no choice but to join Unite? What you're suggesting is a closed shop TT, which is BOLLOCKS! You've suggested that such things exist in the UK in a couple of threads now and I don't have fucking clue where you get the idea from.

And they're on strike because the Union decided they should be, strange because I thought that in a secret ballot with an 80% turnout there was an over 80% vote in favour of strike action.

Of course I could be wrong because I get all my news from sources that are inherently compromised like the BBC and the Daily Telegraph, rather than the "anarcho-capitalist" nut-job conspiracy theorist bloggers you prefer.

I'd be more inclined to agree with you, on this and many other points that you've made in the past, if you weren't so fucking aggresive. Get over yourself mate.

[flammableBen]

I'm with you on that jayohwassit. You don't need to be so loud and nasty mr. lumps. Your points generally make Talk Talk look like a bit of a special school without the anger bits.