Alistair Darling's budget

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Bet it won't last.............

You know me so well... 

Nah, as the thread has moved away from Darling/budget I feel free to interject.

I would say that if you are going to vote in the forthcoming election (I'm not, spoilt ballot paper as the whole system is fucked anyway) then vote for anybody but the the LibLabCon. Yes, they are all as bad as each other and they do not have any of our interests at heart.

Vote UKIP, Jury Team, BNP, an independent, even the Green wankers. Anybody but the big three. Use your vote to make a difference. Wholesale change is required.

[Lumps]

You know me so well... 

Nah, as the thread has moved away from Darling/budget I feel free to interject.

I would say that if you are going to vote in the forthcoming election (I'm not, spoilt ballot paper as the whole system is fucked anyway) then vote for anybody but the the LibLabCon. Yes, they are all as bad as each other and they do not have any of our interests at heart.

Vote UKIP, Jury Team, BNP, an independent, even the Green wankers. Anybody but the big three. Use your vote to make a difference. Wholesale change is required.

The fact that you're happy to recommend people vote for a fascist party really does show just how fucking confused your political "thinking" is.

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The fact that you're happy to recommend people vote for a fascist party really does show just how fucking confused your political "thinking" is.

Not you again 

I'm not recommending any party, me old itchy Lump. I'm suggesting that anything but the big three is a good move. Would you be happier if I included the UK Communist party as well, for balance? Ah yes - you would...

I will pre-empt your next post.

The fact that you're happy to recommend people vote for a communist party really does show just how good your political "thinking" is.

[Nemo]

Alan, I know you don't like the establishment any everything, but is a vote for the BNP really more harmless than one for the fucking Lib Dems?

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Alan, I know you don't like the establishment any everything, but is a vote for the BNP really more harmless than one for the fucking Lib Dems?

Nemo, that is up to the person who is putting their cross on the ballot paper. Again, I am not saying that any one party is any better than another. Personally I think that they are all full of shit, but I won't go into that again here. The problem that I believe we do have with our 'democracy' is that the three main parties are all the same under the bonnet. They expect to be elected. They are smug and will fuck us over for ever more. Getting them out of control would shake things up so much and hopefully lead to a better outcome.

On the subject of the BNP, they are a registered political party and have a right to exist. If people want to vote for them, that is their choice and has absolutely nothing to do with me. Likewise the Communist Party. I won't be voting for either of them (well I won't be voting full stop).

[Nemo]

Out of interest more than anything else, if there was an option marked "abstain" on the ballot paper, would you go down and vote for that? I'd be quite interested in seeing how many votes that would get, as so many people I talk too claim to be interested in Politics but have no intention of actually voting for anyone.

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Out of interest more than anything else, if there was an option marked "abstain" on the ballot paper, would you go down and vote for that? I'd be quite interested in seeing how many votes that would get, as so many people I talk too claim to be interested in Politics but have no intention of actually voting for anyone.

No. I would still spoil my paper. Ticking 'abstain' still means that you agree with having a government, just that you don't want to pick a candidate/party.

I think spoiling a paper is pretty childish really, it doesn't have any impact whatsoever and means nothing to TPTB. It certainly releases some anger for me personally though   

[Lumps]

But to suggest a vote for the BNP must mean that you're deluded enough to believe they'd do a better job in power than any of the three mainstream parties.

As they are, despite their recent makeover, still at heart a democracy hating bunch of neo-nazi cunts, this might be a regarded as a bit mental by most people.

If people voting for them is "nothing to do with you" whay the fuck are you recommending it in a post on this site?

[leefer]

Its about time the vote was online now..the voting numbers would rocket..alot of people could vote from work...alot of people cannot get time off work and the vote would be more secure also.
People not online could vote at the library etc.....alot of disabled people find it very hard to get out and vote...surely its got to happen soon.

[spacey]

Holy gobshites! Lets get back to the budget.

I heard that tramps are going to counteract the 10% increase on cider by pestering people for 11p for a cup of tea.

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But to suggest a vote for the BNP must mean that you're deluded enough to believe they'd do a better job in power than any of the three mainstream parties.

As they are, despite their recent makeover, still at heart a democracy hating bunch of neo-nazi cunts, this might be a regarded as a bit mental by most people.

If people voting for them is "nothing to do with you" whay the fuck are you recommending it in a post on this site?

The BNP would not get 'into power'. I'm not deluded, my protuberant friend. I agree that they are bonkers but the way our political system is structured, they have as much right to exist as say, the Trotsky Nutcase Party, of which I assume that you might be General Secretary 

I could start the West Swindon Baby Eating Party if I wanted to. So what? Would a majority vote my party into power? Of course not.

You miss the point entirely. I AM NOT ENDORSING THE BNP OR THEIR POLICIES. There are enough alternatives apart from the big three for the electorate to vote for. If the BNP fits someone's views, then that is their choice.

Anyway, anybody who wants power over others is obviously a cunt, that is the nature of socio-paths. Sorry, I meant politicians.

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Holy gobshites! Lets get back to the budget.

I heard that tramps are going to counteract the 10% increase on cider by pestering people for 11p for a cup of tea.

Bugger, I'm going to have to withdraw now 

[iffy]

Wanting self governence and democracy is crackers?...ok best I tell Emily Davidson

Tell her what you want, she's dead,

Ahh the classic BNP smear. FYI UKIP was founded by a homosexual Lib Dem. There's only one party that has been sued for its discriminatory manifesto and it's not any of the main parties or indeed UKIP.

Not a smear. An observation. In my view most people who vote for the BNP aren't fascist, they're frustrated. I think in the main they're wrong, but that's my opinion. I would rather frustrated people voted UKIP than BNP. This doesn't make UKIP any less crackers.

Not sure if you're aware but much of our banking laws are decided by the EU not America - the run on Northern Rock for example was a direct result of an EU Directive. The main issue is that either the UK is accountable to its electorate or not - that's how power should work not how you play the game.

I'm very aware of banking regulations, thanks. The Northern Rock run was due to their over-reliance on wholesale markets. When there was a liquidity crunch, Northern Rock couldn't refinance. To blame this on an EU directive suggests you don't know what a wholesale market is, nor an EU Directive. This is numpty-ish mudslinging of the first order.

[ron dodgers]

Northern Rock was a grossly mismanaged company with inadequate liquidity, risky lending, and a gung ho approach to raising capital. New regulations are coming in that will stop this fucking shite once and for all - you know it makes sense.
I'm voting labour as I hope they will now lurch to the left and give me the totalitarian  socialist utopia that I want. Damn right about the UKIP vote affecting the Tories - it's going to be close

[Lumps]

The BNP would not get 'into power'. I'm not deluded, my protuberant friend. I agree that they are bonkers but the way our political system is structured, they have as much right to exist as say, the Trotsky Nutcase Party, of which I assume that you might be General Secretary 

I could start the West Swindon Baby Eating Party if I wanted to. So what? Would a majority vote my party into power? Of course not.

You miss the point entirely. I AM NOT ENDORSING THE BNP OR THEIR POLICIES. There are enough alternatives apart from the big three for the electorate to vote for. If the BNP fits someone's views, then that is their choice.

Anyway, anybody who wants power over others is obviously a cunt, that is the nature of socio-paths. Sorry, I meant politicians.

That is such a bullshit argument but fairly typical of the poorly thought through, "ooh look at me I'm such an iconoclast, aren't I clever" approach you take to all political debates.

If basically all you're saying is "don't vote Labour, Tory or Lib Dem" that's all you had to post. You could have even recommended people follow you're example and spoil their ballot. Instead you implied that a vote for any minority party would be preferable, when clearly it fucking wouldn't be.

You wouldn't prefer a BNP MP in Swindon to any of the othe parties on offer would you? So why say better to vote for them than one of the big 3? You had to include them on your list options because somehow you thought it would make you look "radical" in your rather special definition of that word.

Everything about the way you approach political debate makes me chuckle because it reminds me so much of the way several of the tiny ultra left sects of the 80's and 90's used to go about things, constantly trying to "out-radical" each other, and almost being proud of the fact that their political opinions were so much in the minority. They were basically just indulging in childish attention seeking too.