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« Reply #105 on: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 15:06:42 »

david icke despite being insane is really interesting to listen to
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« Reply #106 on: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 15:10:15 »

Interesting thread this, sombre but interesting. However, just to raise the mood slightly...I was intrigued by some of the conspiracy theories suggested here so thought I would do a little more background reading. Wikipedia has many pages dedicated to them, and make for intersting reading. However right at the bottom of page I found this....

Reptilian shape-shifting aliens

See also: David Icke

David Icke argues that reptilian, shape-shifting extraterrestrial humanoids are responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to.......


I didnt get any further than that through laughing.
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so it was Alians. fucking knew it. I knew that Men in Black film was real and that they've been living amongst us all this time.
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« Reply #107 on: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 16:42:51 »

Next someone will be saying that Andrew Fitton is David Icke's master, and that as a result Coxy was really bundled into their mothership and the whole West Brom saga is a cover-up!

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« Reply #108 on: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 19:19:21 »

Bit close to home?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/6158315/Bomb-found-at-RAF-Lyneham-base.html

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« Reply #109 on: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 22:13:36 »

That was a confusing read....."Bomb found at RAF Lyneham base"......."No explosive device was found"  Huh? "RAF Lyneham in Chippenham"  Huh? Huh? Huh? I thought RAF Lyneham was in .......Lyneham  Smiley
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« Reply #110 on: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 09:41:50 »

Getting back to 9/11.  Several points io would like to make.
The conspiracy theorists are completely wrong. It was a terrible crime committed by fanatics end of. I saw the plane go into the second tower on TV, not once but a number of times filmed by different people. Don't you think that iof it were not the case that the people of New York would have realised by now. After all they were there & they also would have the least interest in any cover up. Are we also trying to say 7/7 in london was also a set up ?
Al Queda were responsible I have little doubt. Bin Laden had been on the radar for at least 5-10 years before hand.
Nothing EVER could justify the mass murder of 5,000 innocent people IN ANY RELIGION.
Afganistan is a war that I believe IS justified. The taliban were allowing Al Queda to set up there as a base/ training camp. It's no co-incidence that virually all the islamic terorists have been to Pakistan/ Afganistan. The Pakistani Govn is fighting them as are the Afgans with OUR support. Don't tell me that the majority of Afganis want the Taliban back.  What does annoy me intensly is the way our government behave so shoddily towards the armed forces.
I have a theory about Islam though. Basically they are 500 years more recent than christianity,. Christianity committed atrocities in the name of religion on a regular basis for centuries. eg The Spanish Inquisition, Burning People at the stake, etc etc (You could include the Crusades if you want).
I don't know enough about the Muslim religion other than what I read & a relative of mines marriage to a muslim, who went all fundamentalist on her and ended up refusing to work, & screwing up their marriage saying "She couldn't me a muslim wife" because she wouldn't kow tow to his beliefs. (She would hide pork sausages in the freezer). My limited experience though does lead me to conclude that it is an intolerant religion with many different & varying sects (much the same as Christianity until very recently.)
Makes me think that those who don't believe in God are maybe better people than fundamentalists of ANY religion



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« Reply #111 on: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 09:50:45 »

is this post also known as going off on a tangent?
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« Reply #112 on: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:05:06 »

Getting back to 9/11.  Several points io would like to make.
The conspiracy theorists are completely wrong. It was a terrible crime committed by fanatics end of. I saw the plane go into the second tower on TV, not once but a number of times filmed by different people. Don't you think that iof it were not the case that the people of New York would have realised by now. After all they were there & they also would have the least interest in any cover up. Are we also trying to say 7/7 in london was also a set up ?
Al Queda were responsible I have little doubt. Bin Laden had been on the radar for at least 5-10 years before hand.
Nothing EVER could justify the mass murder of 5,000 innocent people IN ANY RELIGION.
Afganistan is a war that I believe IS justified. The taliban were allowing Al Queda to set up there as a base/ training camp. It's no co-incidence that virually all the islamic terorists have been to Pakistan/ Afganistan. The Pakistani Govn is fighting them as are the Afgans with OUR support. Don't tell me that the majority of Afganis want the Taliban back.  What does annoy me intensly is the way our government behave so shoddily towards the armed forces.
I have a theory about Islam though. Basically they are 500 years more recent than christianity,. Christianity committed atrocities in the name of religion on a regular basis for centuries. eg The Spanish Inquisition, Burning People at the stake, etc etc (You could include the Crusades if you want).
I don't know enough about the Muslim religion other than what I read & a relative of mines marriage to a muslim, who went all fundamentalist on her and ended up refusing to work, & screwing up their marriage saying "She couldn't me a muslim wife" because she wouldn't kow tow to his beliefs. (She would hide pork sausages in the freezer). My limited experience though does lead me to conclude that it is an intolerant religion with many different & varying sects (much the same as Christianity until very recently.)
Makes me think that those who don't believe in God are maybe better people than fundamentalists of ANY religion





The last line of this post is ludicrous all those people who commit attrocities can claim to be as religous as they want but they are not following the scriptures for any religion.  You will find the vast majority of religous people from all religions distance themselves from any fanatics and just want to live peacefully together.
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« Reply #113 on: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:23:39 »

Getting back to 9/11.  Several points io would like to make.
The conspiracy theorists are completely wrong.

Based on what, exactly? The reports you saw on UK TV? The BBC work for the govt and the rest either work for corporations (ITV - advertisers) or Ruper fucking Murdoch!

It was a terrible crime committed by fanatics end of.
I saw the plane go into the second tower on TV, not once but a number of times filmed by different people. Don't you think that iof it were not the case that the people of New York would have realised by now. After all they were there & they also would have the least interest in any cover up.

Is anyone actually denying the planes hit the buildings??

Al Queda were responsible I have little doubt. Bin Laden had been on the radar for at least 5-10 years before hand.
Nothing EVER could justify the mass murder of 5,000 innocent people IN ANY RELIGION.

On what facts do you base that statement? Are you not airbrushing history slighly? Do the fucking research instead of repeating what you hear on the radio or see on TV. Bin Laden was installed and funded by the west way before 911. Also, do a bit of digging and find out which aircraft WERE allowed to fly in US airspace right after the towers were hit when to everyone else there was a blanket ban on all flights - civil and private. You may be surprised at the answer.

Afganistan is a war that I believe IS justified. The taliban were allowing Al Queda to set up there as a base/ training camp. It's no co-incidence that virually all the islamic terorists have been to Pakistan/ Afganistan. The Pakistani Govn is fighting them as are the Afgans with OUR support. Don't tell me that the majority of Afganis want the Taliban back. 

Fuck me, you must have a Radio 5 Live feed shoved up your nose and right into your brain. This bullshit gets regurgitated until muppets like you repeat it as factual.

What does annoy me intensly is the way our government behave so shoddily towards the armed forces.
I have a theory about Islam though. Basically they are 500 years more recent than christianity,. Christianity committed atrocities in the name of religion on a regular basis for centuries. eg The Spanish Inquisition, Burning People at the stake, etc etc (You could include the Crusades if you want).
I don't know enough about the Muslim religion other than what I read & a relative of mines marriage to a muslim, who went all fundamentalist on her and ended up refusing to work, & screwing up their marriage saying "She couldn't me a muslim wife" because she wouldn't kow tow to his beliefs. (She would hide pork sausages in the freezer). My limited experience though does lead me to conclude that it is an intolerant religion with many different & varying sects (much the same as Christianity until very recently.)
Makes me think that those who don't believe in God are maybe better people than fundamentalists of ANY religion

Nothing like stereotyping and condemning a whole faith / religion based on your limited experience then, eh?

Now, go get yourself a McDonalds, listen to 5 Live for the rest of the day and then knock one or two out when Paxo makes an appearance on Newsnight tonight.





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« Reply #114 on: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:27:13 »

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« Reply #115 on: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:30:46 »

Also, do a bit of digging and find out which aircraft WERE allowed to fly in US airspace right after the towers were hit when to everyone else there was a blanket ban on all flights - civil and private. You may be surprised at the answer.

All bullshit.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp
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« Reply #116 on: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:34:22 »

Deltaincline, you're insinuating that we've been brainwashed into believing that Al Qaeda were actually behind the 9/11 attacks and making out that everything that the mass media is telling us is false.

I think you're the one who's been brainwashed with your conspiracy theories.

Make some factual points, instead of just accusing people of believing everything they hear and insulting them with your "consumerism" bullshit posts.
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« Reply #117 on: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:38:56 »

All I know is there were an awful lot of VW ads in that programme. Maybe it was the Germans all along.
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« Reply #118 on: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:44:22 »

i think he may have been refering to this

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USA funded Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda - in OPERATION CYCLONE

CLOSE [X] Operation Cyclone

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989.[1] Operation Cyclone is one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[2] funding began with $20-30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[3]

More..Background
Carter's national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, has stated that the U.S. effort to aid the mujahideen was preceded by an effort to draw the Soviets into a costly and presumably distracting Vietnam War-like conflict. In a 1998 interview with the French news magazine Le Nouvel Observateur, Brzezinski recalled: "We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would... That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Soviets into the Afghan trap... The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, "We now have the opportunity of giving to the Soviet Union its Vietnam War."[4][5]


The Program

On July 3, 1979, U.S. President Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[3] Following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Babrak Karmal, Carter announced, "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War".[6]

The program relied heavily on using the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) as an intermediary for funds distribution, passing of weapons, military training and financial support to Afghan resistance groups.[7] Along with funding from similar programs from Britain's MI6 and SAS, Saudi Arabia, and the People's Republic of China,[8] the ISI armed and trained over 100,000 insurgents between 1978 and 1992. They encouraged the volunteers from the Arab states to join the Afghan resistance in its struggle against the Soviet troops based in Afghanistan.[7]


Funding
The U.S. offered two packages of economic assistance and military sales to support Pakistan's role in the war against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. The first six-year assistance package (1981-87) amounted to US$3.2 billion, equally divided between economic assistance and military sales. The U.S. also sold 40 F-16 aircraft to Pakistan during 1983-87 at a cost of US$1.2 billion outside the assistance package. The second six-year assistance package (1987-93) amounted to US$4.2 billion. Out of this US$2.28 billion were allocated for economic assistance in the form of grants or loan that carried the interest rate of 2-3 per cent. The rest of the allocation (US$1.74 billion) was in the form of credit for military purchases.[7] Sale of non-U.S. arms to Pakistan for destination to Afghanistan was facilitated by Israel.[9][10] Somewhere between $3–$20 billion in US funds were funneled into the country to train and equip Afghan resistance groups with weapons,[citation needed] including Stinger man-portable air-defense systems.

The program funding was increased yearly due to lobbying by prominent U.S. politicians and government officials, such as Charles Wilson, Gordon Humphrey, Fred Ikle, and William Casey.


Aftermath
After the USSR invaded Afghanistan in December 1979, some believed the Soviets were attempting to expand their borders southward in order to gain a foothold in the region. The Soviet Union had long lacked a warm water port, and their movement south seemed to position them for further expansion toward Pakistan in the East, and Iran to the West. American politicians, Republicans and Democrats alike, ignorant of U.S. involvement, feared the Soviets were positioning themselves for a takeover of Middle Eastern oil. Others believed that the Soviet Union was afraid Iran's Islamic Revolution and Afghanistan's Islamization would spread to the millions of Muslims in the USSR.

After the invasion, Carter announced what became known as the Carter Doctrine: that the U.S. would not allow any other outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf. He terminated the Russian Wheat Deal, which was intended to establish trade with USSR and lessen Cold War tensions. The grain exports had been beneficial to people employed in agriculture, and the Carter embargo marked the beginning of hardship for American farmers. He also prohibited Americans from participating in the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, and reinstated registration for the draft for young males.

The U.S. shifted its interest from Afghanistan after the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan. American funding of Afghan resistance leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and his Hezbi Islami party was cut off immediately.[11] The U.S. also reduced its assistance for Afghan refugees in Pakistan.

In October 1990, U.S. President George H. W. Bush refused to certify that Pakistan did not possess a nuclear explosive device, triggering the imposition of sanctions against Pakistan under the Pressler Amendment (1985) in the Foreign Assistance Act. This disrupted the second assistance package offered in 1987 and discontinued economic assistance and military sales to Pakistan with the exception of the economic assistance on way to Pakistan. Military sales and training program were abandoned as well and some of the Pakistani military officers under training in the U.S. were asked to return home.[7]


Criticism

The U.S. government has been criticized for allowing Pakistan to channel a disproportionate amount of its funding to controversial Afghan resistance leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar,[12] who Pakistani officials believed was "their man".[13] Hekmatyar has been criticized for killing other mujahideen and attacking civilian populations, including shelling Kabul with American-supplied weapons, causing 2,000 casualties. Hekmatyar was said to be friendly with Osama bin Laden, founder of al-Qaeda, who was running an operation for assisting "Afghan Arab" volunteers fighting in Afghanistan, called Maktab al-Khadamat. Alarmed by his behavior, Pakistan leader General Zia warned Hekmatyar, "It was Pakistan that made him an Afghan leader and it is Pakistan who can equally destroy him if he continues to misbehave."[14]

In the late 1980s, Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto, concerned about the growing strength of the Islamist movement, told President George H. W. Bush, "You are creating a Frankenstein."[15]

The U.S. says that all of its funds went to native Afghan rebels and denies that any of its funds were used to supply Osama bin Laden or foreign Arab mujahideen. It is estimated that 35,000 foreign Muslims from 43 Islamic countries participated in the war.[


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

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« Reply #119 on: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:10:53 »

Based on what, exactly? The reports you saw on UK TV? The BBC work for the govt and the rest either work for corporations (ITV - advertisers) or Ruper fucking Murdoch!


You mean that Rupert 'fucking' Murdoch is in cahoots with the BBC to cover up it all up. Funny, I thought News International generally hated the BBC. Hmmm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8227915.stm

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