channel 4 911 programme

[Rich Pullen]

one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter

Exactly, some nations were literally dancing in the streets that day.

[4D]

If you're going to learn all that, maybe you should take some time to learn what made them your enemy in the first place? Maybe then we could try and stop making enemies? Or is that too simplistic?

Yes

[Rich Pullen]

Are you suggesting high jacking a plane and flying innocent women and children into a building is the action of a freedom fighter?

Obviously he didn't states it as his own point of view... But there are many, many nations consisting of millions of people who celebrated 9/11 and the hijackers.

[trogladite]

Obviously he didn't states it as his own point of view... But there are many, many nations consisting of millions of people who celebrated 9/11 and the hijackers.

Eat shit, thousand of millions flies can't be wrong.

and there you have it.  many nations consisting of millions looked on in horror.

[Rich Pullen]

Oh dear.

[Arriba]

of course those responsible are seen as freedom fighters by many.
they fucking nailed what they were trying to do.the impact was, and still is massive from a few  peoples actions.

[trogladite]

and of course, terrorism only works if the next atrocity is bigger and better.

So, what is bigger and better than flying aircraft into a building?

Nuclear and chemical.  Of which Islam can get it's hand on both.

Maybe the answer is to vote next summer for the party that will capitulate to Islam and there many, many needs.

Lab, Tory and Libs are, same ole same ole.  What does that leave?

Green? BNP? Can't think of any others of hand.

[herthab]

Yes

Ok. Best not to try, then we can continue repeating the same mistakes and making the same judgement on millions of people, based on the actions of a minority of fanatics. Which in turn will increase the number of fanatics, increase the amount of terrorist acts, increase the West's retaliation, increase the number of innocents killed, thereby stoking up more hatred, which in turn increases the number of fanatics and around and around we go.

[Rich Pullen]

The Islamic faith isn't the enemy. Your use of the word Islam is a tad off the mark... There are millions of muslims that don't adhere to the "extremist" beliefs.

[4D]

Ok. Best not to try, then we can continue repeating the same mistakes and making the same judgement on millions of people, based on the actions of a minority of fanatics. Which in turn will increase the number of fanatics, increase the amount of terrorist acts, increase the West's retaliation, increase the number of innocents killed, thereby stoking up more hatred, which in turn increases the number of fanatics and around and around we go.

What in your opinion, Hertha, has triggered the events of the last 10 years or so?

[herthab]

What in your opinion, Hertha, has triggered the events of the last 10 years or so?

You'd have to go back further than 10 years. People like Bin Laden manage to get recruits by feeding on their hatred. Some is like the irrational hatred certain Western people have for Muslims, but a lot is fueled by the actions of Western powers in the Middle East, such as the bombing of innocent civilians.

Many in the US looked on the IRA as heroic freedom fighters, while we in the UK saw them as murdering scum.

Many in the Middle East look on the 911 bombers as heroic freedom fighters, while we in the West view them as murdering scum.

The questions are too complex for someone as ignorant as me to answer. But, ignorant as I am, at least I realise it is complex, not something as simple as Muslim = Bad. West = Good.

[deltaincline]

Erm, what a fucked up debate

While taking in all the bullshit put out by the BBC and mainstream newspapers about Terrorism, al qaeda and the war in Afganistan, please simply ignore the creeping UK anti terrorism laws, the proliferation of CCTV cams, ridiculous powers of arrest granted to our band of revenue collecting police officers, ID cards, an enforced DNA database, rip-off taxation, speed cams, a fucked-up police force and con-artist MP's.

BTW, shouldn't we all be dead from Swine flu by now? Did anyone get it? Anyone know anyone who got it, let alone anyone who fucking died from it?

Honestly, everything really is, OK



 

[Mexicano Rojo]

yes i know someone who died from swine flu.

[trogladite]

I loved the you tube clips.  Very hippy, very funny but there's a serious message in there.

Of course the police was politicised by Maggie Thatcher and it seems every year they get less efficient, less professional and higher paid and I've got a big issue with Big Brother.

Always held the belief, that the government should answer to the people.  Not the people answering to the government.  Still that's me.  old fashioned.

[Hammer]

This is a quite lively but somewhat futile debate, as are all those of a political nature. Terrorism has always existed in various forms and always will do, leaving us mere mortals as the victims. As long as people disagree and find themselves unable to accept the democratic process then we will witness further horrific acts and there's little we can do about it. Soon there will be a referendum in Sockland over independence from Great Britain....watch this space ! We can only hope.........that Revell gets a run out in our upcoming reserves match.