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[LucienSanchez]

if people could be objective, they'd admit that she wasn't that bad, and anyoe in her situation would have probably ended up coming across badly. I love Thatcher. My old man however, will only ever vote Labour from now on, even now, because of the Thatcher years. He's annoyed that i would even consider voting Tory.

[Arnold.J.Rimmer]

rubbish!
she was despised by many and still is.
 she did a great job of destroying the coal industry when there is still plenty of the stuff still waiting to be used.

but when every other country's coal runs out we'll be the only people with any left and can rip them all off

[jonny72]

she did a great job of destroying the coal industry when there is still plenty of the stuff still waiting to be used.

The coal miners and their union are equally to blame for the destruction of the coal industry. The first two mines that were shut during the dispute were due to them being unsafe for the miners to return to, rather than them being uneconomic. The engineers that would have kept the mines safe weren't on strike, but the striking miners wouldn't let them enter the mines to do their job.

[Arriba]

The coal miners and their union are equally to blame for the destruction of the coal industry. The first two mines that were shut during the dispute were due to them being unsafe for the miners to return to, rather than them being uneconomic. The engineers that would have kept the mines safe weren't on strike, but the striking miners wouldn't let them enter the mines to do their job.

of course they were not equally to blame.why were they on strike in the first place?
thatchers government destroyed whole communities of mining towns and villages.many have not recovered still.
she flogged off the council houses,now we have a massive shortage of.
flogged publicly owned companies,destroyed the railways,etc,etc.
our country is still suffering from the bad she did,and labour have failed to sort that mess out.

[jonny72]

our country is still suffering from the bad she did,and labour have failed to sort that mess out.

Most of what you refer to as "the bas she did" was necessary to sort out the mess the previous Labour government and the trade unions had caused during the 1970's.

No one forced the miners to go out on strike. They thought they could hold the country to ransom, they couldn't and they paid the consequences. The effects wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad if they had just accepted the closures / job losses and moved on - which is something people have to do every single day of the week. Unless they're members of a militant trade union of course in which case they throw their toys out of the pram.

[Arriba]

we are never going to agree jonny.on this anyway.
that said i dont wish maggie ill health

[chalkies_shorts]

Most of what you refer to as "the bas she did" was necessary to sort out the mess the previous Labour government and the trade unions had caused during the 1970's.

No one forced the miners to go out on strike. They thought they could hold the country to ransom, they couldn't and they paid the consequences. The effects wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad if they had just accepted the closures / job losses and moved on - which is something people have to do every single day of the week. Unless they're members of a militant trade union of course in which case they throw their toys out of the pram.

I'm with arriba on this one. Even if you agreed with what she did to the miners, the way she did it was despicable, unethical, and immoral. She caused a great amount of pain with her social re engineering.
I hate the witch like I've never hated a politician more in my life. I don't wish her harm though which is a lot better than she wished on the coal miners etc. 

[BANGKOK RED]

I don't confess to know to much about the Iron Lady.

But I do know that by hook or by crook that she bought Britain out of a recession, if only Gordon had the bollocks that she did.

[adje]

She is 100% responsible for the breakdown in society that we are suffering from now,in my opinion.When she dies I hope they will"Tramp The Dirt Down"

[stfctownenda]

I don't confess to know to much about the Iron Lady.

But I do know that by hook or by crook that she bought Britain out of a recession, if only Gordon had the bollocks that she did.

Gordon is no inspiration but he will also lead us out of a rescession, there are already signs of things changing and some dude who won the economist noble prize last year Paul Krugman said we have the best economy in europe at the moment.

[Kinky Tom]

Gordon is no inspiration but he will also lead us out of a rescession, there are already signs of things changing and some dude who won the economist noble prize last year Paul Krugman said we have the best economy in europe at the moment.

Not sure about lead us out the rescession...

[stfctownenda]

  True true what I meant more was he will be in charge when we leave recession.

[Arriba]

i think we will come out of recession pretty quickly.i aint banging the labour drum as they have let us down.also i dont think brown can be blamed for us being in recession.

[jonny72]

Even if you agreed with what she did to the miners, the way she did it was despicable, unethical, and immoral.

I totally agree that Thatcher could have handled it better. In her defence she knew that as soon as they announced the mine closures all hell was going to break loose and she had to take a tough stance, even so she went to far. Whilst its not justification, the miners themselves acted just as badly. Especially in the way they treated people the miners that didn't go on strike, they also killed a taxi driver who dared to drive a miner to work.

The dispute was as much about breaking the trade unions as it was the miners and whilst the way they did it wasn't nice, it worked and I think the country is better for it. Most people forget just how bad things were when she came to power and sorting the mess out was never going to be pretty or accepted by everyone.

[chalkies_shorts]

Yes, Jonny the country is a shit load better for what Thatcher did. Greed is good - repeat it as a mantra. All the mess is sorted out. Its a pity she changed the social and moral fabric of this country for a long, long time.