Remember this face .......................

[Melksham Red]

Yes, it's still the same crime regardless of circumstances.

[Spy]

When I was saying there is a need to under stand this issue I was talking about the general paedo issue, not this specific bloke. Seems a couple of you may have misunderstood me or something. And as I've said before I wasn't meaning you specifically need to contemplate this but some people do at least.

Why can't you see understanding is necessary for better prevention. Understanding and punishment is better prevention than punishment on its own.

Malksham Red - I've known people who've been abused too. Of course its horrible and affects people in different ways. But it doesn't totally ruin all victims lives. Its an awful thing to happen to someone but people carry on and if they can they don't let it make them feel like a victim every day of their lives so they're stuck in that role\mindset forever.

In some ways by saying to get molested is the worst thing that could ever happen to anyone ever and always totally ruins the victims life and anyone whos ever done it should be shot cos its so bad that person is always irredeemably bad don't you think all that stigma might make a lot of people who its happened to feel worse?

I'm totally not saying we should take it lightly and don't anyone twist this to make out I am but its something to consider that it might be sometimes good to take a step back from all the hysteria (whilst not saying its all unjustified).

[jonny72]

Yes, it's still the same crime regardless of circumstances.

OK, so lets go to the other extreme. A bloke goes out on the piss, picks up a bird in a club, takes her home and does the business with her. It then turns out she was only 15. Using your same crime regardless of circumstances argument, this bloke would then get the death penalty. Or would that be different?

[Spy]

Yes, it's still the same crime regardless of circumstances.

But if they had severe learning difficulties then mentally they could be very childlike anyway. My mum teaches severe special needs adults and to think that if one of them did something sexual to a child without realising how bad that was then they could be executed would be fucking horrendous.

Because the child and the special needs adult can have a similar mental age in some cases that could basically be the same as saying 2 child who played around in a sexual or pseudo-sexual way should both face the death penalty, which is clearly bollocks.

[Melksham Red]

The guy picking up a fifteen year old scenario isn't a very good one though is it. It is not strictly rape surely. If she is in a pub or a club and has consensual sex then surely a bloke can safely assume she 18 or at the very least 16. Or should he check her birth certificate first? Technically she shouldn't be there in the first place if she's 15 surely?
Are we not getting away from the point of this thread again though? Lets turn it around. The bloke at the start of this thread knew full well what he was doing and has shown absolutely no remorse for what he has done. Do you think 5 years is enough? What would be an appropriate way of dealing with this scum, in your view? Understanding and a nice cup of tea?

[Simon Pieman]

I'd lock him up and not allow parole.

I don't think he'll be out in five, hopefully he will serve a full life term if he appears to be as dangerous as the article and the reported case makes outs.

[Spy]

Understanding and a nice cup of tea?

MR that is fucking annoying are you not listening to me? What I've been saying is we need some people in this society who look into the paedo issue and try and gain an understanding of it in order to help prevent future abuse. From that you're trying to make out I'm in favour of going softly on peados. For fucks sake.

[flammableBen]

MR that is fucking annoying are you not listening to me? What I've been saying is we need some people in this society who look into the paedo issue and try and gain an understanding of it in order to help prevent future abuse. From that you're trying to make out I'm in favour of going softly on peados. For fucks sake.

But if peado's don't commit an offence then society doesn't get to punish them.

[Spy]

But if they had severe learning difficulties then mentally they could be very childlike anyway. My mum teaches severe special needs adults and to think that if one of them did something sexual to a child without realising how bad that was then they could be executed would be fucking horrendous.

Because the child and the special needs adult can have a similar mental age in some cases that could basically be the same as saying 2 child who played around in a sexual or pseudo-sexual way should both face the death penalty, which is clearly bollocks.

Fancy replying to this one MR?

[Melksham Red]

MR that is fucking annoying are you not listening to me? What I've been saying is we need some people in this society who look into the paedo issue and try and gain an understanding of it in order to help prevent future abuse. From that you're trying to make out I'm in favour of going softly on peados. For fucks sake.

Yeah, i'm listening. I also fully understand and respect your points. I'm just enjoying winding you up.

[Melksham Red]

Fancy replying to this one MR?

Yeah hang them too. They're obviously faking it!

[pauld]

Stab 'em

[Melksham Red]

That's the spirit paul.

[Spy]

But if peado's don't commit an offence then society doesn't get to punish them.

Yeah people seem a lot keener to discuss the punishment and how extreme it should be than they are to discuss how we can prevent the abuse in the first place.

I guess its a bit more of a complex issue and requires a bit more though than just saying "kill them all".

Also like I mentioned before paedos are something we can all agree is bad and an easy (and deserving) target for hatred and anger.

[herthab]

Hitler had the right idea!

But then you're all anti Nazi.

There really is no helping some people.....................