Remember this face .......................

[flammableBen]

To be honest I think you would find most of the people abused would find the idea of there abuser dying a big incentive when considering whether to report them.  Imagine someone has tortured and ruined your life with abuse and then you have the chance for them to go away and never come back.  Even the fear of them someday getting out of prision is enough to ruin most people who have been abused lifes.  I struggle to see how there can be any understanding to sex offenders (paedo's, rapists etc).

That's not how the majority of abuses cases work though. It's not normally the hideous stranger who does nasty things, it's a family member/friend who's probably very nice the rest of the time apart from the one secret thing.

There was a really good radio 4 programme about it, aimed more at the media reaction than the crime itself, and this was pretty much the children's charity's (can't remember if it was NSPCC or childline or another one) response, that the abuser as portrayed by the media is too far away from the reality face by most children, and so it doesn't help them come forward at all.

The vast majority of cases aren't dirty old men hiding in bushes and stalking kids home, it's a person that the children trusts and has a relationship with already, this is why it's always normally years of abuse before people come forward and not straight away.

[Melksham Red]

I would see the death penalty as a deterrent as well as a punishment, but I can't see where you draw the line. For example - is raping a fifteen year old or a ten year old punishable by death - where is the cut off ?.

Rape is rape, whether it's a ten year old or a fifteen year old. In fact it's not just about the kids. Rape is just a fucking disgustingly brutal sick thing to do to someone regardless of age, sex, race or whatever. Let em fry.

[Simon Pieman]

What if it wasn't rape and the offender physically beat the victim?

[Don Rogers Shop]

Thats assult

[Melksham Red]

To all the paedo / rapist apologists - how would you feel if it were your son or daughter, missus, mother, brother, sister, gran or any family member raped by some fiend? Would you honestly want to understand, empithise with or rehabiltate the sick cunt? Honestly? Surely you'd want them to fry, whoever they are?

This discussion is getting wearing now. I'm off to look at some teeny porn.   

[flammableBen]

I don't think anybody is a peado/rapist apologist.

[Simon Pieman]

I wouldn't want to rehabilitate anyone of the sort, I'm just putting the debate out there that if you bring the death penalty in then where do you draw the line? (what crimes).

Is a very bad assault on a defenseless person no worse than rape? Apart from the fact that rape is possibly a more personal violation then I don't think it's worse than a serious assault.

What if a person acknowledges they are mentally sick and has improper thoughts about children yet has never acted upon these thoughts and gives no indication of doing so? Would you allow psychologists/psychiatrists to assess that person and possibly help them or would you put them down in the fear they are a risk to society?

I understand and think that someone who has raped a child should not be afforded any sympathy because they have subjected an innocent and defenseless child to atrocious acts, but there are grey areas to anything and a black and white view is very dangerous.

[Melksham Red]

If I had all the answers I wouldn't be stuck in the job i'm in. You're right though, there are grey areas.
Look, i'm not going down the road of debating every point or i'd be in danger of having 25000 posts and losing much needed beauty sleep. Which isn't a great idea. I'm very grouchy if I don't get at least six hours.
I just think convicted paedos like the cunt at the start of this thread should fry. Is that too much too understand? 

[Fred Elliot]

As the originator of this thread and the father of a 12 yr old daughter I have read all of your comments with interest.

My view ?

Still the fucking same

Anyone that has admitted to, or has been found guilty of paedophillia should be fucking killed in the most painful way.

As was mentioned earlier in this thread (by Arriba I think), perhaps the likes of Ben will change his views when he becomes a father.

I wonder what views would be if this cunt got released after, say 7 years, and cam and lived within your community and you have a nice secure family unit with 2/3 kids.

Think about it.

[stfctownenda]

That's not how the majority of abuses cases work though. It's not normally the hideous stranger who does nasty things, it's a family member/friend who's probably very nice the rest of the time apart from the one secret thing.

There was a really good radio 4 programme about it, aimed more at the media reaction than the crime itself, and this was pretty much the children's charity's (can't remember if it was NSPCC or childline or another one) response, that the abuser as portrayed by the media is too far away from the reality face by most children, and so it doesn't help them come forward at all.

The vast majority of cases aren't dirty old men hiding in bushes and stalking kids home, it's a person that the children trusts and has a relationship with already, this is why it's always normally years of abuse before people come forward and not straight away.

That wasn't really my point its not whether there a stranger in the bushes or a family member either way if the person being abused has the get out card which can get rid of the abuser forever I think the vast majority would take it, imagine testifying against your abuser only to see him out on the street 10 or 20 years after that could bring back all those terrifying memories even if the abuser has changed massively.

Nothing the media says gages my opinion on this subject there could be no papers or tv but I would still feel strongly against adults violating children and the punnishment they should receive.  We lost our way in the justice service years back and are far to lenient now, the fact these people get out at all let alone early is a disgrace.

[pauld]

We lost our way in the justice service years back and are far to lenient now, the fact these people get out at all let alone early is a disgrace.

Actually it's only comparatively recently that child abusers have started getting anything like severe sentences. Go back to the 60s/70s and they just didn't take these kind of offences at all seriously, so even in the (highly unlikely) event that an abused child was believed, the case even reached court etc etc, even some of the most serious sex abuse offences would only get a year or so.

[Don Rogers Shop]

Fred west and brady being examples of that paul.

[pauld]

Fred west and brady being examples of that paul.

No, both were killers and so got stiff sentences as they were more harshly punished back then (although the Wests were 80s IIRC so different timeframe - I was talking about the 60s/70s and before). But child rapists often got off surprisingly lightly in today's terms and more often than not the cases never even came close to coming to court as the child wouldn't be believed. That didn't really start to turn round till the late 80s. Look back at the early "careers" of the likes of Sidney Cooke and you'll see they were getting 1 year sentences for raping kids - abusers known to the kids as family members/friends etc virtually never got to court.

[yeo]

Peados are bad... innit.

[chalkies_shorts]

As the originator of this thread and the father of a 12 yr old daughter I have read all of your comments with interest.

My view ?

Still the fucking same

Anyone that has admitted to, or has been found guilty of paedophillia should be fucking killed in the most painful way.

As was mentioned earlier in this thread (by Arriba I think), perhaps the likes of Ben will change his views when he becomes a father.

I wonder what views would be if this cunt got released after, say 7 years, and cam and lived within your community and you have a nice secure family unit with 2/3 kids.

Think about it.

I have 3 kids and agree with you Fred. The thing is these fuckers cultivate realtionships over time and plan what they're doing. They put the kids thruogh hell not only physically but mentally as well, paticularly if they plead not guilty and the kids have to testify. Then you have the parents who have to live with the guilt of not protectiing their kids and in some cases trusting friends and family members with their kids.
It destroys a lot of lives and leaves damage that will never go away for all.
The perpetrator in a lot of cases cannot see that what they have done is evil. Also, how many rehabilitated paedophiles are there? Why is there such a high repeat offending.
Killing the cunts ensures there is no reoffending from that person.