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« Reply #105 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 00:11:48 » |
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You can't blame the recession on Brown, if indeed that's what is being suggested. This whole thing started because of the subprime mortgage market and the blame begins with the credit rating agencies. The whole mess started in the US and it has had global repurcussions.
I'm not saying he's to blame for the world wide recession and credit crisis. But the UK got fucked up on his watch and he can't just stand there and point his finger at the USA. The problems didn't all happen over night, they built up over the years and he was in a position to do something about it during those years and didn't. Northern Rock is a good example. There were major failings with the regulatory bodies, whether they were government departments or not, the buck stops with the government and primarily the chancellor. We're not talking about a few dodgy expense claims here, its the entire UK economy that got stuffed.
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« Reply #106 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 08:42:23 » |
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Brown is the worst chancellor we've had in living memory as far as I'm concerned. First thing he did was help himself to 5 billion a year from our pensions. Stealth taxes galore, all aimed at middle income families. Petrol is now as dear as it was two years ago when oil was twice the price. Labour promised they would reduce the number of Quango's. The number has risen from 78 to over 900. Labour promised a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, & broke that promise. They have consistently announced & reannounced policies that are never implemented. Eg The goverment help for mortgage holders announced last year (1 person in the uk has managed to qualify). They have wasted money hand over fist, creating goverment debt & no benefit to any one other than those with the jobs (who would obviously vote labour). Billions wasted on NHS supoer computers that don't work, Equipment for the forces that won't work, an ID scheme that won't work.
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« Reply #107 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 08:47:45 » |
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« Reply #108 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 09:13:07 » |
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dont get me wrong i think brown has made mistakes,and alot he has brought on himself.equally, alot he inherited. people seeing the tories as a party to put things right,i think is a bit short sighted.i'm sure we as a nation would be in the same postition we are in now,or an even worse one,had they been in government now. it's easy to slate and critisise,but damn difficult to get things right. everyone was lapping it up when brown had the economy booming,but now it's all his fault when things are on the slide.what goes up must come down, it was inevitable. labour have failed the nation on alot of issues,but i'm stuggling to believe that another party would have dealt with it all.
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« Reply #109 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 09:20:35 » |
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what goes up must come down, it was inevitable.
True. Which is why Brown should have been preparing for this. There was no sensible saving when times were good for these 'rainy days'
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« Reply #110 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 09:27:05 » |
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i agree.i think he thought it wasn't going to come down for a long time yet, and didn't prepare early enough.
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« Reply #111 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 09:27:39 » |
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True. Which is why Brown should have been preparing for this. There was no sensible saving when times were good for these 'rainy days'
No need, because there will be "no more boom and bust". I suppose that's true, they opted to remove the boom rather than the bust.
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« Reply #112 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 09:59:46 » |
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The basic pjilosophy of labour though is that they think that they know best how to run our lives & spend our money. So inevitably they take as much as they can & then spend it on what they think is important. The problem is that the state is very wasteful & so a lot of the tax take goes into a black hole. I believe that the person best qualified in spending efficiently is the one who earned it. If you've worked for the money you think twice about throwing it away. Sure we need taxation, & a central government, but this should be for basics , eg. Defence, Health, Education, Law & Order, transport & basic welfare support for those in genuine need.
The MoD is a prime example of beauracracy gone mad. I know someone who used to be in the Navy & was responsible for requisitioning items for ships comojng into port. If he wanted a bolt he would need to fill in countless forms & get so many authorisations that the bolt would cost £50 & be delivered a week after the ship had sailed again. His solution was to go to B & Q & buy it hiomself from his own pocket.
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« Reply #113 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 10:06:06 » |
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« Reply #114 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:52:59 » |
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« Reply #115 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:55:31 » |
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You've just reminded me that I still have a doughnut left over to eat. Thank you sirs.
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« Reply #116 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 16:56:20 » |
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dont get me wrong i think brown has made mistakes,and alot he has brought on himself.equally, alot he inherited. people seeing the tories as a party to put things right,i think is a bit short sighted.i'm sure we as a nation would be in the same postition we are in now,or an even worse one,had they been in government now. it's easy to slate and critisise,but damn difficult to get things right. everyone was lapping it up when brown had the economy booming,but now it's all his fault when things are on the slide.what goes up must come down, it was inevitable. labour have failed the nation on alot of issues,but i'm stuggling to believe that another party would have dealt with it all.
So who do you think shoudl replace Labour then?
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« Reply #117 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 17:24:18 » |
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nobody.i'd keep them in government
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« Reply #118 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 17:31:12 » |
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nobody.i'd keep them in government
Really? Fair enough.
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« Reply #119 on: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 17:38:06 » |
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yeah.i think they will try to rectify their mistakes,and what wasn't caused by them.i also think of all the parties, labour do the most for the most. i'm as pissed off with them as anyone else,but voting them out wont solve anything imo. in a local election i probably wont vote labour,but as this debate is about a general election i would vote for them.
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