who would you vote for in a general election tomorrow

[jonny72]

Worth remembering as well that when the forerunner of the EU was formed, one of the main reasons was to stop another World War starting in Europe by bringing the countries closer together. Fast forward to the present and its worked, with Eastern European countries falling over themselves to sign up and having to implement major reforms to do so.

Personally I think it is worth whatever it costs us to play our part in stopping another World War and in helping tens of millions of people to move towards a standard of living and human rights that we all take for granted. I still think the EU is our best chance of stopping the shit in the Middle East, once Turkey join we'll be right on their doorstop and the rogue states will quickly start to fall in to line once their citizens see just how great life is in the EU.

But then I'm also in favour of a single European government, president, army etc and I'm in the minority with that.

[adje]

Conservatism is simply not an option for me.Cameron as a PM is just too horrific for me to contemplate.Personally I've never had it so good so a vote for status quo is my choice.Anyway if I didnt vote Labour my dad would beat me to within an inch of my life!

[leefer]

Conservatism is simply not an option for me.Cameron as a PM is just too horrific for me to contemplate.Personally I've never had it so good so a vote for status quo is my choice.Anyway if I didnt vote Labour my dad would beat me to within an inch of my life!

Cameron or Brown...at least Cameron will get voted in..unlike Brown of course who hasnt been and wont be.

[Arriba]

i feel sorry for brown.he gets blamed for stuff that is, or was out of his control.if anyone thinks things would currently be better under the tories,then i think they are wrong.
i'm sure we will find out soon enough.

[chalkies_shorts]

Worth remembering as well that when the forerunner of the EU was formed, one of the main reasons was to stop another World War starting in Europe by bringing the countries closer together. Fast forward to the present and its worked, with Eastern European countries falling over themselves to sign up and having to implement major reforms to do so.

Personally I think it is worth whatever it costs us to play our part in stopping another World War and in helping tens of millions of people to move towards a standard of living and human rights that we all take for granted. I still think the EU is our best chance of stopping the shit in the Middle East, once Turkey join we'll be right on their doorstop and the rogue states will quickly start to fall in to line once their citizens see just how great life is in the EU.

But then I'm also in favour of a single European government, president, army etc and I'm in the minority with that.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I think we should pay whatever it costs to get out.

[Doore]

Cameron or Brown...at least Cameron will get voted in..unlike Brown of course who hasnt been and wont be.

Brown was voted in - as MP for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath.  As a voter you vote for your local MP, and this contributes to which party form a government.  The party that form a government elect a leader - in this case Brown.  

I'm no Brown fan, but this line of argument, which is often thrown his way, is not accurate under our electoral system.

[Iffy's Onion Bhaji]

Brown was voted in - as MP for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath.  As a voter you vote for your local MP, and this contributes to which party form a government.  The party that form a government elect a leader - in this case Brown.  

I'm no Brown fan, but this line of argument, which is often thrown his way, is not accurate under our electoral system.

So in that case our democractic system is flawed?

[Nemo]

So in that case our democractic system is flawed?

Also, the world is round.

[Bogus Dave]

So in that case our democractic system is flawed?

Its not really if you think about it. The prime minister is really little more than a figurehead for the ruling party. The alternative is the american system whereby you forget about all sorts of real policys and vote for whoever has the best speaking voice and wants to ban homosexuality

[jonny72]

i feel sorry for brown.he gets blamed for stuff that is, or was out of his control.

Are you taking the piss?

Brown has been in charge of the UK economy or the entire country since 1997. As chancellor he laid the ground work for the economy going tits up, then as prime minister at first he did nothing to prevent it going tits up and now continues to not do enough to get it out of tits up status.

He isn't to blame for everything but when it comes to people in the UK, he is solely responsible for the economy and its current tits up'ed ness.

[Arriba]

Are you taking the piss?

Brown has been in charge of the UK economy or the entire country since 1997. As chancellor he laid the ground work for the economy going tits up, then as prime minister at first he did nothing to prevent it going tits up and now continues to not do enough to get it out of tits up status.

He isn't to blame for everything but when it comes to people in the UK, he is solely responsible for the economy and its current tits up'ed ness.

ok einstein,what should he have done differently?

[Iffy's Onion Bhaji]

ok einstein,what should he have done differently?

He shouldn't have sold off our gold reserves on the cheap for a start.

[jonny72]

ok einstein,what should he have done differently?

How the fuck am I supposed to know? If I knew that I'd have made billions on the currency / trading markets and would be sat in the Bahamas sipping cocktails rather than chatting on an internet forum whilst watching Holby.

But greater financial controls would have been a good start which would have meant a good chance of avoiding our entire banking system failing. Banks and traders were allowed to use very high risk strategies, which worked fine for a while but when it went wrong it went badly wrong.

When the shit hit the fan there should have been forced nationalisation's of any and all UK banks in financial trouble. No fucking about with loans, bail outs, guarantees - just nationalise them. Then pump in all the money necessary to get lending going again, ring fence the dodgy shit in a separate company then re-privatise all the banks. At the same time start a massive house buying programme, rent them out or use them for council housing and when the prices recover sell them for a profit.

Or something like that.

[Simon Pieman]

You can't blame the recession on Brown, if indeed that's what is being suggested. This whole thing started because of the subprime mortgage market and the blame begins with the credit rating agencies. The whole mess started in the US and it has had global repurcussions.

However, Brown cannot be forgiven for the monumental fuck up which was auctioning off the majority of our gold reserves a decade ago. I'm amazed such a disaster hasn't stopped him from leadership. All we heard for nearly 10 years was how great the economy has been doing, yet where is the rainy day money? Instead national debt has soared.

So yeah, feel sorry for the cunt because he never made any mistakes.

[bigbobjoylove]

I'm pretty sure I remember reading UKIP wanting to build an English Parliament.

They'd initiate a 40% increase to the existing defence budget which those in the military might enjoy.