who would you vote for in a general election tomorrow

[leefer]

The poll tax was correct in principle but it hit the family's hardest who hadn't kicked their kids out at 18 to fend for themselves and suddenly saw a massive increase in their 'rates'

I dont call asking people to fork out £30 a week on top of all your other taxes very fair.

[Phil_S]

I'd vote for the lib dems, not sure why anyone would want to vote ukip, they seem a bit of a joke party, I can't really see any benefit to dropping out of the EU anyway.

One Benefit

Costs in 2008
£28 billion for business to comply with EU regulations,
£17 billion of additional food costs resulting from the Common Agricultural Policy
£3.3 billion - the value of the catch lost when the Common Fisheries Policy let other countries fish in our territorial waters
£14.6 billion gross paid into the EU budget and other EU funds.

Thats £65,000,0000,000 reasons why we should leave & that is a consevative estimate. Here they reckon its twice that
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/CostoftheEuropeanUnion.pdf

[Phil_S]

I dont call asking people to fork out £30 a week on top of all your other taxes very fair.

Some of us have to with Council Tax though

[leefer]

Thats what i meant Phil...it pisses me of big time.

[Phil_S]

Are ukip not just a diet BNP? Im going to vote lib dem. Someone has to

I think their is a world of difference. The BNP are racists. UKIP is not.

[Luci]

One Benefit

Costs in 2008
£28 billion for business to comply with EU regulations,
£17 billion of additional food costs resulting from the Common Agricultural Policy
£3.3 billion - the value of the catch lost when the Common Fisheries Policy let other countries fish in our territorial waters
£14.6 billion gross paid into the EU budget and other EU funds.

Thats £65,000,0000,000 reasons why we should leave & that is a consevative estimate. Here they reckon its twice that
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/CostoftheEuropeanUnion.pdf

Not to mention that the main financial backer of the Eurovision song contest is indeed us also!

[Phil_S]

Thats what i meant Phil...it pisses me of big time.

Me too,  far as I'm concerned thats a lot of money for empying the bin once a week / fortnight.

[jonny72]

I dont call asking people to fork out £30 a week on top of all your other taxes very fair.

Depends on how you look at it. At present if you've got two identical houses next door to each other, two adults in one and four adults in the other then both houses will pay exactly the same Council Tax despite one house using a lot more services than the other. That's not fair on the house with only two adults is it?

Its just plain stupid to tax people based on the value of their house alone. Some form of local tax system would be the logical solution and would be a lot fairer to everyone. Especially those who don't earn much as they'd end up paying a lot less.

[leefer]

Why not put 2p on the basic rate...and forget about all these piddly little scams to grab our money...Council tax goes on paying people to work for the council...i rest my case!

[jonny72]

One Benefit

Thats £65,000,0000,000 reasons why we should leave & that is a consevative estimate. Here they reckon its twice that
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/CostoftheEuropeanUnion.pdf

I'd agree the EU is fucked up especially with the way some of the money flows and especially with the CAP. But rather than throwing our toys out of the pram and saying we want to leave, why not try to change things instead?

Plus its bollocks saying we lose our sovereignty with the EU, its just a different level of government which we have a say in - same as we have local and national government levels. If anything the biggest problem at the moment is allowing Scottish MP's to vote on solely English matters - at least one bill was passed which only affected England due to the votes from Scottish MP's, without them it would have failed.

[Phil_S]

Why not put 2p on the basic rate...and forget about all these piddly little scams to grab our money...Council tax goes on paying people to work for the council...i rest my case!

Totally agree. Infact the same should be appled to as many taxes as possible. Eg Why is it that we have to pay two taxes on wages (Income & NI),  Motoring (Road Tax, fuel tax),  & why do those with kids pay tax on one hand & then have to claim tax credits on the other.
The administration & costs with collecting this money must be horendous.

[leefer]

Thats my big gripe...of course we all have to pay for what we have,but having your tax taken off your wages costs....mmm nothing,but thats to easy.

[Phil_S]

I'd agree the EU is fucked up especially with the way some of the money flows and especially with the CAP. But rather than throwing our toys out of the pram and saying we want to leave, why not try to change things instead?

Plus its bollocks saying we lose our sovereignty with the EU, its just a different level of government which we have a say in - same as we have local and national government levels. If anything the biggest problem at the moment is allowing Scottish MP's to vote on solely English matters - at least one bill was passed which only affected England due to the votes from Scottish MP's, without them it would have failed.

But I don't think we can change the EU fropm inside. Its a club run by politicians & Bueaucrats for themselves. Its' corrupt, wasteful & self serving ... makes our MP's look like saints

[Ben Wah Balls]

One Benefit

Costs in 2008
£28 billion for business to comply with EU regulations,
£17 billion of additional food costs resulting from the Common Agricultural Policy
£3.3 billion - the value of the catch lost when the Common Fisheries Policy let other countries fish in our territorial waters
£14.6 billion gross paid into the EU budget and other EU funds.

Thats £65,000,0000,000 reasons why we should leave & that is a consevative estimate. Here they reckon its twice that
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/CostoftheEuropeanUnion.pdf

That's an extremely one-sided, meaningless way of looking at it and only looking at the costs without even considering the benefits is a waste of time. So, no, that's not "£65,000,0000,000 reasons", (whatever the fuck that means) it's not even one reason.

[jonny72]

But I don't think we can change the EU fropm inside. Its a club run by politicians & Bueaucrats for themselves. Its' corrupt, wasteful & self serving ... makes our MP's look like saints

Well we sure as fuck can't change it from the outside, which is pretty much where we are at the moment.