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« Reply #15 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:04:07 »

henry lansbury (sp) is meant to be pretty tidy

it's the way football is going isn't it?  i don't think you can slag off arsenal any more than man utd (buying pique etc), chelsea barely have any english youths, liverpool is a spanish youth club, man city have a few slovaks and poles.

atleast arsenal give their players a go and make them play good football unlike most youth football
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« Reply #16 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:07:23 »

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im with Dachauer, they dont bring the kids up from the ages of 12-15 really well, they go round the biggest teams in the world and sign their under 18s who have yet to be tied down to a contract by the clubs and just pay peanuts in compensation, like they did with Fabregas, the best they had produced themselves was Ashley Cole, is the only real player of note who is the exception, hoyte dont count cos hes shite


sidwell, bentley, pennant... shatap.
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« Reply #17 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:08:24 »

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im with Dachauer, they dont bring the kids up from the ages of 12-15 really well, they go round the biggest teams in the world and sign their under 18s who have yet to be tied down to a contract by the clubs and just pay peanuts in compensation, like they did with Fabregas, the best they had produced themselves was Ashley Cole, is the only real player of note who is the exception, hoyte dont count cos hes shite


sidwell, bentley, pennant... shatap.
Stolen from Notts County Cheesy  but i get your point
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« Reply #18 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:09:50 »

Sidwell and bentley both bombed cos they wasnt good enough
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« Reply #19 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:12:17 »

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Sidwell and bentley both bombed cos they wasnt good enough


but now they're doing well...i assume they learnt this post arsenal?
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« Reply #20 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:13:21 »

sidwell is doing really well, hasnt played for months
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« Reply #21 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:14:47 »

when u compare that to

Beckham, Giggs Scholes, Nevilles, Butt

Gerrard Owen Carragher Fowler
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« Reply #22 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:15:59 »

nicky butt is* fucking awful. i disregard anything you say now

*and has always been
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« Reply #23 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:18:25 »

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when u compare that to

Beckham, Giggs Scholes, Nevilles, Butt

Gerrard Owen Carragher Fowler

Wasn't Fowler poached form Everton?
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« Reply #24 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:19:06 »

he is now hasnt always been, u dont get that many england caps being shite, wasnt he in the World Cup 2002 team of the tournement? the biggest competition in world football and he was 1 of the 2 best central midfielders in the tournement
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« Reply #25 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:20:05 »

no Fowler joined Liverpool as a 11year old
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« Reply #26 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:22:37 »

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he is now hasnt always been, u dont get that many england caps being shite, wasnt he in the World Cup 2002 team of the tournement? the biggest competition in world football and he was 1 of the 2 best central midfielders in the tournement


haha carlton palmer played for england

and that was in the opinion of an old brazilian who, let's be honest, has little knowledge or referencing in modern football.
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« Reply #27 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:31:30 »

if a player is that awful you dont play 250+ games under Alex Ferguson and in the most sucessful premier league team like Butt has
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« Reply #28 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:31:30 »

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when u compare that to

Beckham, Giggs Scholes, Nevilles, Butt

Gerrard Owen Carragher Fowler


the difference with those players and the likes of Bentley and Sidwell is that all of those players listed go given first team football and got runs in the team.

I cant even remember Sidwill every playing for Arsenal, it seems to go oddly unoticed but players get better with regular first team football hence why players like Scott Parker and Steve Sidwell played well went to Chelsea and havent quite recovered.

David Benalty and Jermain Pennant have the done the opposite and got out and gone where the first team football is.

Vital to a players development.

As for Nicky Butt, was always going to look pretty naff in Manchester Uniteds midfield which was probably the worlds best when Butt was there (Beckham, Scholes, Keane, Giggs) but he's a quality player who generally goes un-noticed and always did.....even though he is ginger!
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« Reply #29 on: Monday, April 28, 2008, 18:36:28 »

Back on topic, I have one more piece of advice.

Find some recent articles/reports and look into what's been going on from that respect.

I suppose just more common sense research stuff, but it's bloody easy to forget these things.
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