St Georges day #2

[Simon Pieman]

People are more bothered about having a bank holiday than patriotism.

[BANGKOK RED]

Crazy rant. I think that stuff like National Anthems and offending immigrants are more a non-argument made up by the right wing papers than anything else.  

Prison staff have been told to stop wearing Cross of St George tiepins because they could be "misinterpreted'' as a racist symbol.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/04/ngeorge04.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/04/ixhome.html

Maybe a 'Sarcastically' crazy rant Ben, and it may also be a non-argument made up by the right wing.

But I wasn't making it up, I remember the story well and a simple google search will tell you that it actually happened.

[neville w]

People are more bothered about having a bank holiday than patriotism.

Spot on. - and for Bank Holiday read "another flimsy excuse to get hammered"

[Ironside]

I think that Guy Fawkes Night would make a better bank holiday. At least it represents an event we can all celebrate.

Kill the catholics!

Or an attempt at blowing up the houses of paliment. See it works both ways. Everybody can get involved.

Also it would be silly having a bank holiday around now. There's already two in may and it could end up being close to Easter lot's of years.

November would be much better.

Which is exactly when St Edmunds day is.  He is the original Anglo-Saxon patron saint of England.  

Good shout.

[flammableBen]

On what basis?  If I were fleeing genuine persecution and feared for my life, I'd be happy with food, water and a roof over my head in a fairly safe envirnoment

That's where I disagree. We should be helping them set up lives here so they can work and support their families (if they have them).

At the moment far too many assylum seekers (including children) get detained and there's very much a presumed guilty method when deciding if they can stay or not. Not because many haven't come from bad situations but because with the negativity (especialy within the press) surrounding assylum figures, there's pressure to deport as many as possible.

The report recently released by the Independent Asylum Commission found the current system to "Inhumane and oppressive".

You can download the report from here or just read an executive summary here

It's actually quite an interesting read about what works and what doesn't in the system. I'd recommend it as a read whatever your views on what we should/shouldn't be doing for asylum seekers.

I'm not really in the mood for an asylum debate, so I'll  leave it here. It's something there's been threads on before and it always ends up going in circles.

[flammableBen]

I think that Guy Fawkes Night would make a better bank holiday. At least it represents an event we can all celebrate.

Kill the catholics!

Or an attempt at blowing up the houses of paliment. See it works both ways. Everybody can get involved.

Also it would be silly having a bank holiday around now. There's already two in may and it could end up being close to Easter lot's of years.

November would be much better.

Which is exactly when St Edmunds day is.  He is the original Anglo-Saxon patron saint of England.  

Good shout.

Isn't that (Saint) Edward The Confessor who was the Patron saint of England before St. George?

[Ironside]

I think that Guy Fawkes Night would make a better bank holiday. At least it represents an event we can all celebrate.

Kill the catholics!

Or an attempt at blowing up the houses of paliment. See it works both ways. Everybody can get involved.

Also it would be silly having a bank holiday around now. There's already two in may and it could end up being close to Easter lot's of years.

November would be much better.

Which is exactly when St Edmunds day is.  He is the original Anglo-Saxon patron saint of England.  

Good shout.

Isn't that (Saint) Edward The Confessor who was the Patron saint of England before St. George?

I know its Wiki but it appears to be pretty accurate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Edmund

Quote from Wiki on the Edward Confessor pages:

"The Roman Catholic Church regards Edward the Confessor as the patron saint of kings, difficult marriages and separated spouses. After the reign of Henry II, Edward was considered the patron saint of England until 1348 when he was replaced in this role by St. George. He remained the patron saint of the Royal Family."

[flammableBen]

So it is Edward the Confessor who was the old patron saint, not Edmund the Martyr?

You've confused me by linking to one article and quoting another. It's easily done

[Reg Smeeton]

I like the Edward the Confessor idea....last of the Cerdicingas.

   Edmund Ironside....could have made an outstanding King, after seeing off the Cnut.

[Ironside]

So it is Edward the Confessor who was the old patron saint, not Edmund the Martyr?

You've confused me by linking to one article and quoting another. It's easily done

Edmund is the original, Eddie the Confessor came later.

[flammableBen]

So it is Edward the Confessor who was the old patron saint, not Edmund the Martyr?

You've confused me by linking to one article and quoting another. It's easily done

Edmund is the original, Eddie the Confessor came later.

Fair enough. I couldn't see where it said that Edmund was ever considered  the patron saint of England.

[Ironside]

"Edward III replaced Edmund as a national saint by associating Saint George with the Order of the Garter."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Edmund#Patronage

(Edward III: Reign 25 January 1327 – 21 June 1377)

St George is a Norman imposition.

[Iffy's Onion Bhaji]

Loads of England flags up in the office today. Great to see    

[Ironside]

I shall be off down the pub shortly to drink some ale in a liitle pub in shepherd bush called the British Queen.  The irony of that is that is that's owned and patronised by pretty much every Paddy in W12, even the fucking pikey scum that live under the A40.

[Chubbs]

People are more bothered about having a bank holiday than patriotism.

just seems an excuse for a piss-up, i mean i dont know much about the history of it st georges day but im sure it wasnt to do with going out and getting hammered (if it is then i apologies)