Wise quitting after wycombe game

[Panda Paws]

Guys your apathy will cost you your football club

Apathy because we don't have concrete proof of anything.

Power left because of ill health - that's the only fact we know.

Burrell left because of the supposed overspend - another fact we know.

Now, these might not pan out to be correct - but until someone comes up with cast iron proof this is wrong then we can believe nothing else and be apathetic about nothing else.

[Bushey Boy]

same bart just power has gone, possibly on medical advise.  Nothing has been confirmed yet.  I wont panic until I know the facts.

[RobertT]

Bart, the problems stem from your style of posting.  Always negative and never offering alternatives (going back before this kicked off as well).

I find it almost annoying that I actually hear some of the same stuff you post, but you put it scross in a way that suggests an axe to grind.

Try avoiding creating new topics every 5 minutes and simply responding to peoples concerns or creating new ones when new situations require it.

[Panda Paws]

I find it almost annoying that I actually hear some of the same stuff you post, but you put it scross in a way that suggests an axe to grind.

Making me wonder if he's something to do with either party involved ...

[janaage]

I reckon STFC Bart is in fact.....


.... ex-Town Chairman Ray Hardman.  I knew that bloke shouldn't have had a go at him outside the North Stand back in 93.

[Panda Paws]

Nah, it's Brian Hilliar.

[RobertT]

I find it almost annoying that I actually hear some of the same stuff you post, but you put it scross in a way that suggests an axe to grind.

Making me wonder if he's something to do with either party involved ...

No idea, although some of the info he does post about is exactly what I've managed to come by as well.  I'm not saying he's posting bullshit (at least not 80% of the time), just the way he does it detracts from the information and people begin to mistrust and ignore.

The biggest concern I have is that Power will not put out his side of events for quite a while.  Same goes for Devlin and Linda etc.  So all we have is the clubs version of events in public.  If anyone does have the information to hand from both sides, it's quite plausible that they cannot provide 100% def statements for good reason.  This means that people quite rightly go with the "until I've heard facts" line and makes it very difficult to overcome.  I'm hoping the meeting on Wednesday will provide the opportunity needed to provide a more "rounded" view of reality.

[Spencer_White]

I dont understand the 'until Ive heard the facts view'.

That means listening to Dunwoody who have done us a massive disservice. However some people seem to want a hollywood 'good and evil' story. Its not the way it is, its complicated and you have to you your brain to come to your own conclusions.

The 'until ive heard the facts' argument basically says 'exploit me'. Its saying Im going to believe every press release and nothing else.

Look at what is happening to us, and ask questions.

[Piemonte]

The 'until ive heard the facts' argument basically says 'exploit me'. Its saying Im going to believe every press release and nothing else.

Look at what is happening to us, and ask questions.

Spencer - You are a good poster on here and I've no reason to pick a personal fight with you, but I've got to take issue with that.

What you've said there is patronising bollocks. You are inferring that I and others with the same opinon do not have the ability to think for ourselves and will swallow any old crap from the club.

A with all these things, the truth will probablly lie somewhere in the centre ground of both stories, with untruths coming from both sides.

I cant speak for anyone else who has a similar viewpoint to me, but I have an equally hard time believing everything in the official statement as gospel and at least 75% of what I have read on various websites. Everyone seems to have a friend of a friend with connections, but some are saying different things to others FFS. So how am I supposed to know which to believe? its doing my fucking head in.

One thing that I do believe in the statement is that there are people with vendattas against the likes of diamandis, some of whom have been very clever in the way they have operated - slowly influencing the minds of the  less knowledgeable without ever producing any hard facts or evidence.

The very reason I'm not yet going off on one is becase I am asking questions about what is happening to us and trying my best to form a calculated non-knee jerk opinion of what the fuck is going on.

[DV]

here here!!

Im with pie' on this one....

[sonic youth]

What you've said there is patronising bollocks. You are inferring that I and others with the same opinon do not have the ability to think for ourselves and will swallow any old crap from the club.

I think that's a bit harsh on Spencer, I imagine his frustration comes more from the apathy/head in the sand attitude of some fans as opposed to any malice towards people. However, I won't put words in his mouth cos he's bigger than me.

A with all these things, the truth will probablly lie somewhere in the centre ground of both stories, with untruths coming from both sides.

You have to consider what each party has to gain from the truth coming out. Why do we, as fans, have to gain from the truth becoming reality? Why would anybody deliberately try to harm the club's future? The board on the other hand will protect their interests. Whilst I don't believe every rumour I've heard, I'm fairly confident of the truth.

I cant speak for anyone else who has a similar viewpoint to me, but I have an equally hard time believing everything in the official statement as gospel and at least 75% of what I have read on various websites. Everyone seems to have a friend of a friend with connections, but some are saying different things to others FFS. So how am I supposed to know which to believe? its doing my fucking head in.

Pick and choose who you trust. Some people's opinions are more trustworthy than others, Spencer's more likely to be speaking sense as he's clearly a huge fan, Bart's an anonymous person on the internet. What the last few days has proven is that Bart's not that far wide of the mark.

All I can say is that the information I've garnered from various sources don't come from "a friend of a friend down the pub who works in the local Tesco" but if I gave out specific details, I'd probably end up poorer than I am.

Wednesday's meeting should shed some light on matters and also allow people the chance to voice their concerns, whether they be paranoid nutters like Bart, sensible and reasoned people like Spencer or slightly sceptical people such as yourself.

One thing that I do believe in the statement is that there are people with vendattas against the likes of diamandis, some of whom have been very clever in the way they have operated - slowly influencing the minds of the  less knowledgeable without ever producing any hard facts or evidence.

The only person with a clear vendetta against Mr Diamandis is Woodie, whoever the fuck he is.

[Simon Pieman]

I agree with Pieface, in that I don't know the facts so will not swallow stories from either side without knowing them. This may mean 'listening to Dunwoody' but it does not mean accepting it.

It also doesn't mean exploit me, because obviously a tiny part of the story has come out into the open and there is no way of knowing if that's fact. All I would so is that I can see why people would be so against the current board and assume it's all lies - the situation does smack of 'the boy who cried wolf'.

[Piemonte]

Size Chart

Spencer white >>  Sonic youth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Piemonte

I wholeheartedly withdraw my previous statement

I cant really argue with any of the points you've made there. I think that semi rant has taken the wind out of my sails for the evening. might be something to do with 4 hours kip last night :boring:

[Spencer_White]

Fairplay all of you.

Cant fault you at all.

[Run_the_bath]

If you truly support the club you will also support the board. They may not always be right in what they do or how they do it but its thanks to them we even have a club so how about we show a little appreciation rather than slagging them off every 5 posts.

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