Tits up for Rotherham means tits out for us?

[Dazzza]

Could be their last game on Saturday according to various sites.

Would surely mean one less relegation spot rather than four down, five up and two from the Conference this year?

Could mean the difference to us between relegation and survival and in some twist of fate the downfall of Rotherham could assure our continued existence.

Reading through their various woes they are a shining example of how not to run a club.  Originally funded by a traditional style chairman a scrap metal merchant who ran the club at a small loss.  

The club flew up the leagues after the appointment of Ronnie Moore and found themselves battling away in the Championship.

At 83 the chairman wanted out and scouted for buyers to which a fans consortium paid a quid and put in just 100k towards operational costs (with a wage bill of three million).  In exchange for clearing their overdraft the consortium gave the previous chairman their one asset, the ground.

I hate to see it and empathise 100% with their fans but with better managed clubs cutting their cloth in league two and the conference chomping at the bit how much longer will the FA allow clubs to get into this sort of state and carry on trading?

[Simon Pieman]

I've been reading quite a bit about this recently as my dissertation is about the salary capping issue. Unfortunately the governance and board structure at football clubs is appalling, but there are so many underlying factors that need to be addressed within the structure of the game. Clubs are only just starting to realise the value of good governance unfortunately, and have only started to appoint non-executive directors (such as supporter trust appointed board members) which is what is recommended in the Combined Code for good corporate governance.

[Fred Elliot]

Could be their last game on Saturday according to various sites.
Would surely mean one less relegation spot rather than four down, five up and two from the Conference this year?

Could mean the difference to us between relegation and survival and in some twist of fate the downfall of Rotherham could assure our continued existence.

Reading through their various woes they are a shining example of how not to run a club.  Originally funded by a traditional style chairman a scrap metal merchant who ran the club at a small loss.  

The club flew up the leagues after the appointment of Ronnie Moore and found themselves battling away in the Championship.

At 83 the chairman wanted out and scouted for buyers to which a fans consortium paid a quid and put in just 100k towards operational costs (with a wage bill of three million).  In exchange for clearing their overdraft the consortium gave the previous chairman their one asset, the ground.

I hate to see it and empathise 100% with their fans but with better managed clubs cutting their cloth in league two and the conference chomping at the bit how much longer will the FA allow clubs to get into this sort of state and carry on trading?

What sites did you garnish the info from dazza ?

[RobertT]

On the official website they posted a statement which seems to be the start of a rift with the Supporters Trust, who have been doing all the fundraising.  Sounds like it is getting a bit desperate up there.  Liquidator has told the club to get donations paid straight to the club, Trust had been taking the donations up till now, to ensure the money gets used with proper checks etc.  If they are having problems with the fundraising effort then more trouble could easily follow.

[Simon Pieman]

I'm just reading the BBC website.

*Barnsley have written off all money owing to them over Barry Conlon's loan move to Rotherham in the autumn, and also sent a cheque for £5,000

*Sheffield United are paying the wages of loan players Stephen Quinn and Jonathan Forte during their loan spells at Millmoor, and are also donating all profits from their beam-back of this week's Sheffield derby to Save The Millers

*Sheffield Wednesday are to hold bucket collections at two games, including the derby with United Fair play to both of these teams

*Liverpool legend Phil Thompson has donated £500 to the Save The Millers campaign - and urged any Premiership player earning more than £100,000 a year to follow suit. Too fucking right - they should definitely put something back into the game


Personally I would hate to see a club go out of business in our league. I know this could help us survive relegation but I would rather survive on merit than for this to happen. Some may even say that this could be the beginning of the slow death of football.

[Piemonte]

despite everyone telling me I should care, I still dont :|

[Simon Pieman]

despite everyone telling me I should care, I still dont :|

I wouldn't worry anyway. It's unlikely to make a difference. Football is big business now and that element is destroying the rest of the game.

If Rotherham do go bust it will be a sign of what's to come for many other teams. We weren't so far off that stage quite a few times. That's why you should care, because the more teams that drop out, then the less teams there will be to make a competition.

I'm sure at least one of the lower divisions will become part-time in the not so distant future.

[RobertT]

There is no reason for a league to go part time, clubs just have to pay a full time wage they can afford, from top to bottom.  The one thing I will saddle at clubs own feet is that they keep paying the over inflated wages.  Nobody made Rotherham pay more than they could afford to players, same as here in the past.  it might take a bit of pain to start with (like we are experiencing) but if every club did it then we'd at least see less strain on clubs finances.

PLayers are only worth what people are willing to pay them.  If the demand isn't there to bring in the finances, then they get paid less.

[Simon Pieman]

There is no reason for a league to go part time, clubs just have to pay a full time wage they can afford, from top to bottom.  The one thing I will saddle at clubs own feet is that they keep paying the over inflated wages.  Nobody made Rotherham pay more than they could afford to players, same as here in the past.  it might take a bit of pain to start with (like we are experiencing) but if every club did it then we'd at least see less strain on clubs finances.

PLayers are only worth what people are willing to pay them.  If the demand isn't there to bring in the finances, then they get paid less.

Very true, but there will come a time where being a footballer does not pay very well due to the factors you mention. Hence going part time. Before the abolition of the maximum wage players got paid less than the national average, even though the maximum wage was above this.

[Piemonte]

one thing clubs do seem to have understood now is the concept of performnce related pay. I know our entire squad isnt paid particually well (by league 1 standards anyway, personally I'd be delerious!)  but if we achieve releative sucess ie the play offs then the players get rewarded.

It mysifies me as to why it took clubs so long to implement thins kind of thing along with relegation wage cuts etc.

[STFCere]

see you've been working hard for your dissertation, sie!

[Simon Pieman]

In the Rugby Super League they have a merit pay system where you get paid a certain amount on your final league position. It works quite well, but of course has to be strictly enforced.

[RobertT]

If we had the US systems in place we'd be snapping up some quality youngsters in the draft this summer whereas Chelsea would be left with the chaffe.

We'd also be getting a split of every Chelsea shirt sold, I'm sure we could flog a few in Swindon these days.

[Simon Pieman]

see you've been working hard for your dissertation, sie!

   I'm a little shocked myself.

[STFCere]

sounds like much more fun than my dissertation!