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Title: More Reg stuff.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 14:35:11
That and the fact he left gaping holes in the squad for certain positions.

LMc should have been included, but I'm trying to forget about him.


Title: More nonsense
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 16:15:49
LMc should have been included, but I'm trying to forget about him.
Nothing wrong with McCormick,  probably the best back up keeper in the lower divisions.


Title: More nonsense
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 17:43:23
Nothing wrong with McCormick,  probably the best back up keeper in the lower divisions.

I'm not privy to the bench sitting custodians at the other 47 Div 3/4 clubs, so will have to bow to your expertise on the subject, and will await with interest your analysis on these.

However it's an interesting point that LMc appearances and win ratio is almost exactly the same as R C-C and most thought him not up to it.


Title: More nonsense
Post by: Mother Brown on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 18:03:28
I'm not privy to the bench sitting custodians at the other 47 Div 3/4 clubs, so will have to bow to your expertise on the subject, and will await with interest your analysis on these.

However it's an interesting point that LMc appearances and win ratio is almost exactly the same as R C-C and most thought him not up to it.

*almost exactly"   :headhurts:


Title: More nonsense
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 18:21:27
I'm not privy to the bench sitting custodians at the other 47 Div 3/4 clubs, so will have to bow to your expertise on the subject, and will await with interest your analysis on these.

However it's an interesting point that LMc appearances and win ratio is almost exactly the same as R C-C and most thought him not up to it.
Nothing to do with analysis or  figures Reg,  this is my opinion based on nothing other than what I have seen.  Yes,  Benda may currently be a better keeper but I still consider McCormick an excellent back up.


Title: More nonsense
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 18:33:30
And in any case, win/loss ratios have nothing to do with how good a goalkeeper or any player for that matter is...


Title: More nonsense
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 18:47:50
Reg is just being a bellend he can't help it


Title: More nonsense
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 18:49:11
Anyone even remotely conflating Luke & RCC needs their head examining.


Title: More nonsense
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 18:50:43
Anyone even remotely conflating Luke & RCC needs their head examining.
????.


Title: More nonsense
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 20:17:44
*almost exactly"   :headhurts:

Tautologies aside LMc has a win ratio of 55.4%, R C-C 54.5. Very similar


Title: More nonsense
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 20:20:17
And in any case, win/loss ratios have nothing to do with how good a goalkeeper or any player for that matter is...

I missed the bit where people's subjective opinions about the game and players replaced points gained as being of paramount importance.


Title: More nonsense
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 20:33:52
Anyone even remotely conflating Luke & RCC needs their head examining.

Perhaps the head examining should be applied to our keepers.... RC-C admitted a crisis of confidence after his Lincoln error and sought support.... LMc admitted a crisis of confidence after a run of poor results and asked to be rested.

GK is a unique position, it isn't pleasant to see a chap suffer through loss of bottle, but it happens to a lot of them, even top level types like de Gea and Lloris a WC winner.  Lloris's meltdown even led to him knackering himself failing to make a most routine save.

Hopefully LMc won't be called upon again this season, as I'm not sure he's up to it, a bit like R C-C ultimately wasn't.

Don't know what's happening with Henry... when Wellens gave him a new contract I assumed it was because they thought he might be used rather than anothr loan to Chippy etc.


Title: More nonsense
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 20:54:51
RCC doesn't have the necessary ability (some of which may be mental), Luke may have lost some confidence.  He is still a much better keeper under both circumstances, by a big margin.  A much worse person it can be argued, but on an equation of keepers, Luke >>>>>>> RCC.


Title: More nonsense
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 20:57:36
Just to be clear, a teamís win % is the true way to evaluate 2 players?

The eye test, which in my humble opinion would heavily favour LM, is not relevant?


Title: More nonsense
Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 20:57:46
Tautologies aside
It was a contradiction, not a tautology. And there's no way anyone in their right mind who's watched both keepers would compare the two as even remotely in the same bracket


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 21:21:29
I think we need a Regipedia so that we can reference the rules and be 100% clear to avoid future confusion. Im still waiting on him to confirm power's seismic changes on recruitment for spending fees on old players that hasn't happened but happened regularly under flitcroft/brown.


Title: a
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 21:30:30
It was a contradiction, not a tautology. And there's no way anyone in their right mind who's watched both keepers would compare the two as even remotely in the same bracket

Both were back up options when we're in Div 4, both have played 20 odd games, both have had some good games making decent saves, both have had some stinkers which may have cost us points..... pretty much what you'd expect.

I wouldn't particularly want to see R C-C again and I don't particularly want to see LMc again.

You only have to go back to Vigouroux, to know there were those on here who thought we'd be getting a decent fee for him, but the odd poster Shrivvy Road who felt he wasn't all that.  Personally I always felt lacked mental toughness which is key for keepers, they can all mostly stop shots.

It's all about opinion and although you like to dish out abuse my way..... my opinion is as valid as yours or anybody else's on here, and I'll always try to focus on that rather than personal abuse. So it's my opinion that I hope we don't see LMc again this season, like I don't want to see R C-C.


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Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 21:35:20

It's all about opinion and although you like to dish out abuse my way..... my opinion is as valid as yours or anybody else's on here, and I'll always try to focus on that rather than personal abuse.
Completely agree. Where was the abuse? Getting to the stage no-one can post a contradictory* opinion without you complaining you're being "bullied" or "abused". You're not. Folk just don't agree with you sometimes. I'd have thought you'd be used to that by now





* as opposed to tautologous :)


Title: Re: a
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 21:43:23
Completely agree. Where was the abuse? Getting to the stage no-one can post a contradictory* opinion without you complaining you're being "bullied" or "abused". You're not. Folk just don't agree with you sometimes. I'd have thought you'd be used to that by now





* as opposed to tautologous :)

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And there's no way anyone in their right mind who's watched both keepers would compare the two as even remotely in the same bracket

Implied here as I'm comparing the 2, in their role as back up keeper.


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 22:03:32
Implied here as I'm comparing the 2, in their role as back up keeper.
Oh come on. "Anyone in their right mind" is a perfectly common term, it's not "abuse". You're becoming a bit of a precious little petal.


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 22:17:24
Oh come on. "Anyone in their right mind" is a perfectly common term, it's not "abuse". You're becoming a bit of a precious little petal.

Maybe you need to rethink your use of it.... to me it stigmatizes mental health issues.


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 22:21:45
It's the Christmas season, so I have unblocked Reg.


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 22:23:30
Maybe you need to rethink your use of it.... to me it stigmatizes mental health issues.

Immediately tempted to block again.

Fuck off Reg, that's bad even by your standards.


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 22:44:02
Maybe you need to rethink your use of it.... to me it stigmatizes mental health issues.
For fucks sake Reg, come on, thought this forum thing was supposed to be a bit of fun.


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 22:57:47
For fucks sake Reg, come on, thought this forum thing was supposed to be a bit of fun.

It is, but there's still always 25% football, and in that bit, I worry about LMc as back up.  That he volunteered to bench himself citing a lack of confidence, although commendably honest doesn't fill with hope if he is called upon, especially as we move to the business end of the season.

Interestingly Robinson at Oxford, is big on the mental health aspect of his players, and reckons they're the only club that employs a psychotherapist.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/18098433.oxford-uniteds-unique-psychotherapy-project-gary-bloom-winning-hearts-minds/


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: pauld on Friday, December 20, 2019, 00:25:23
Interestingly Robinson at Oxford, is big on the mental health aspect of his players, and reckons they're the only club that employs a psychotherapist.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/18098433.oxford-uniteds-unique-psychotherapy-project-gary-bloom-winning-hearts-minds/
Although the article says he'd previously worked with psychotherapists at Charlton so perhaps not? I think most clubs these days have sports psychologists on the staff, if only on a part-time/consultative basis in a lot of cases, and most of what the therapist describes as being his role in that article would also be covered by a sports psych. The idea that "treating the human before the athlete" is exclusively the preserve of psychotherapists is somewhat out of date - it's commonplace among sports psychs these days as well


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, December 20, 2019, 01:51:58
I think LMc is a more than adequate backup keeper. We're very lucky to have two decent keepers at this level. One nearer their beginning, one closer to their end. Except both could still be around for awhile.

A lot of people bullshitted me when I said Vigs would be off and LMc would become No.1. Many of us (you clearly don't Reggie Boy) don't like the previous that is a huge amount of baggage that comes with LMc. He is though a decent keeper.

Yes a lot of keepers are good shot stoppers. I was even defensive of RCC because I felt for a young keeper he did need more support and guidance to build confidence.  Much like it appears Wellens is doing so with Broadbent currently. The difference between RCC and LMc is glaringly obvious...LMc can stop shots...RCC really can't.

That's my opinion of course, no doubt you'll call me a cunt but it'll be in that condescending political way that you tend to answer in.

Merry Christmas Reg. There's much bigger fish to fry ya know :)


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 20, 2019, 10:36:05
So after making a big deal virtue signalling about boycotting if LMc signed/played and then quietly forgetting about it we have this?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, December 20, 2019, 10:59:44
Although the article says he'd previously worked with psychotherapists at Charlton so perhaps not? I think most clubs these days have sports psychologists on the staff, if only on a part-time/consultative basis in a lot of cases, and most of what the therapist describes as being his role in that article would also be covered by a sports psych. The idea that "treating the human before the athlete" is exclusively the preserve of psychotherapists is somewhat out of date - it's commonplace among sports psychs these days as well

Robinson seems to think his man's position is unique, because he's embedded in the club.... I don't know, just taking it at face value.


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 20, 2019, 11:00:34
LMc 100 times better than RCC or Moore and at least on a par with Vigs IMO.


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Friday, December 20, 2019, 11:16:45
I agree with those who are saying LMc is a competent back up keeper. He did ok in the first part of the season.

We have seen since Benda came into the side that he (Benda) is a really good keeper, and for me there are two main reasons why he is better than LMc - firstly his height means he can stop some shots which LMc would be unable to reach, it also means he can command his area better and I think we look more secure defending free kicks and corners when Benda is in the team (Whilst he is a good shot stopper, LMc is not particularly good at defending crosses), and secondly, our style of play means we want a keeper who is happy with the ball at his feet, and LMc does not look totally comfortable on that aspect. I know Benda has made the odd error with his feet (first goal at Salford being one) and that he struggled kicking into the wind first half last week but generally that part of his game is fine.
I suspect having an experienced back up is also useful in that LMc can pass on knowledge from past  experience gained to both Benda and Henry, which is something which may be overlooked.


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, December 20, 2019, 11:19:15
LMc 100 times better than RCC or Moore and at least on a par with Vigs IMO.

It's always worth revisiting what the discussion is about, namely the contention from Maniac that LMc is the best back up in Div 3/4.

Personally I don't see it, when he's played results and performances have been as inconsistent as someone like R C-C, some good some bad, kind of what you'd expect in Div 4 back up keepers.

Further he benched himself citing a loss of confidence, which adds to my feeling that it would be better if we don't have to call on him anytime soon, given how the pressure will ratchet up from now on.


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: pauld on Friday, December 20, 2019, 11:23:27
Robinson seems to think his man's position is unique, because he's embedded in the club.... I don't know, just taking it at face value.
Not sure what "embedded" means? Does that mean he's full time (it sounds like he still has his private practice going, so probably not) or they've actually concreted him into the walls at the training ground? Or is it (as I suspect) just hyping up what Robinson hopes will be a selling point for attracting players? Nonetheless, good to see football clubs taking this seriously.


Title: Re: More Reg stuff.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, December 20, 2019, 14:41:05
It's always worth revisiting what the discussion is about, namely the contention from Maniac that LMc is the best back up in Div 3/4.

Given up on this one now,  all about opinions and personal choice.  From some of your  earlier posts I think your problem lies deeper than just ghe football side.  Think we're miles apart on our views Reg but then is that not what this forum is all about ?.