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Title: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 11:02:24
According to rumors, Carlisle have put a bid in for Jerry Yates who we're linked with.

See if we put our money where our mouth is.

I'd rather we put most budget on strikers as goals win games (obviously)

Oh god, now you've done it..... Reg incoming in 3..2..1..


Title: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 11:04:20
Not in this thread he isn't.


Title: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 11:09:08
Oh god, now you've done it..... Reg incoming in 3..2..1..


Bring it on! Haha


Title: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 11:13:40
According to rumors, Carlisle have put a bid in for Jerry Yates who we're linked with.

See if we put our money where our mouth is.

I'd rather we put most budget on strikers as goals win games (obviously)

rumours..... clue in the thread title. Some posters on here try to maintain standards of English, rather than American.

Goals win games up to a point, but a very good defence can get more value for the goals you score.  Such an example would be our season in the Prem. Arsenal finished 4th, but only scored 6 more than us, however conceded 72 fewer.

I think given we'll have to more or less build a complete new back 4, and unless Diagouraga rises phoenix like, from the flames find a new defensive midfieder.... Wellens needs to focus on that before the front..  Notts had Hemmings last season who scored more than any of our front men, but a poor defence has taken them to the Conference.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 11:43:32
In 2008/2009 we had Cox and Paynter score 44 between them, but started the season with Casal, Ifil and Aljofree in defence...we almost got relegated.

Strikers only score goals if they get service, and you only win games if you stop the opposition scoring.

I would rather the budget is spread so we have a strong spine throughout.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 11:49:16
In 2008/2009 we had Cox and Paynter score 44 between them, but started the season with Casal, Ifil and Aljofree in defence...we almost got relegated.

Strikers only score goals if they get service, and you only win games if you stop the opposition scoring.

I would rather the budget is spread so we have a strong spine throughout.

Good points... Malpas was undone when his primary target Charflie Mulgrew, who subsequently has shown himself to very good, backed out at the point where he was at the club ready to sign.

Assuming that Wellens offer to Knoyle and Conroy was genuine and not just so that we can get some sort of fee.... having to rebuild more or less the entire back 4 might cause problems...


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 11:52:08
rumours..... clue in the thread title. Some posters on here try to maintain standards of English, rather than American.

Goals win games up to a point, but a very good defence can get more value for the goals you score.  Such an example would be our season in the Prem. Arsenal finished 4th, but only scored 6 more than us, however conceded 72 fewer.

I think given we'll have to more or less build a complete new back 4, and unless Diagouraga rises phoenix like, from the flames find a new defensive midfieder.... Wellens needs to focus on that before the front..  Notts had Hemmings last season who scored more than any of our front men, but a poor defence has taken them to the Conference.

Don't get me wrong, I love a good defence and we haven't had one in a while. We had a good run near the end of the season but always seem to concede.
 
To counter argue, we ended this season conceding the same amount (56 I think) as Bury and they finished 2nd and got promoted by scoring 20 odd more goals than ourselves (Maynard with 21). That is one key striker or two chipping in 10+ each which we didn't have.
 
We already have McCormick as a good solid number 1 (Henry and Matthews as back up) and potentially Conroy (cross fingers) and Broadbent as our CB and no recognised out and out striker. KW could be that but I'm not sure.
 
Therefore, that is why I say to concentrate and put more resource on a striker, who also command a bigger sell on fee if they're successful (business hat on). It does go hand in hand and I'm not saying we don't need to improve the defence, especially if Knoyle and Conroy donít sign.
 
In regards to the spelling of rumours....apologies that I oversaw ONE minor error. Didn't know it would offend you so much.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 12:11:23
Don't get me wrong, I love a good defence and we haven't had one in a while. We had a good run near the end of the season but always seem to concede.
 
To counter argue, we ended this season conceding the same amount (56 I think) as Bury and they finished 2nd and got promoted by scoring 20 odd more goals than ourselves (Maynard with 21). That is one key striker or two chipping in 10+ each which we didn't have.
 
We already have McCormick as a good solid number 1 (Henry and Matthews as back up) and potentially Conroy (cross fingers) and Broadbent as our CB and no recognised out and out striker. KW could be that but I'm not sure.
 
Therefore, that is why I say to concentrate and put more resource on a striker, who also command a bigger sell on fee if they're successful (business hat on). It does go hand in hand and I'm not saying we don't need to improve the defence, especially if Knoyle and Conroy donít sign.
 
In regards to the spelling of rumours....apologies that I oversaw ONE minor error. Didn't know it would offend you so much.

Whilst your Bury example is valid, in reality we're not going to be able to compete with them as they continue to spend money they don't have, so they can acquire these type of strikers.... they also had Beckford, who only played 1 game.

Maynard has gone for over 6 million his time, Beckford has a 3 mill price tag on his CV.... we're not in that sort of market.

My analysis of the situation is very much based on as things stand... things can change.   But as things stand, we have no RB, 1 CB who the manager didn't pick, another who's a kid with no experience, and no LB.  Further we have no defensive midfielder who is currently fit for purpose.

At the other end we have 2 of a front 3, and Twine as competition, and a midfielder in Doughty who can score goals.

If I was Wellens, I know where my priorities would lie.

Here's a whole thread on American English...

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=55632.0


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: ferret on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 12:25:33
Whilst your Bury example is valid, in reality we're not going to be able to compete with them as they continue to spend money they don't have, so they can acquire these type of strikers.... they also had Beckford, who only played 1 game.

Maynard has gone for over 6 million his time, Beckford has a 3 mill price tag on his CV.... we're not in that sort of market.

My analysis of the situation is very much based on as things stand... things can change.   But as things stand, we have no RB, 1 CB who the manager didn't pick, another who's a kid with no experience, and no LB.  Further we have no defensive midfielder who is currently fit for purpose.

At the other end we have 2 of a front 3, and Twine as competition, and a midfielder in Doughty who can score goals.

If I was Wellens, I know where my priorities would lie.

Here's a whole thread on American English...

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=55632.0

If we do lose Knoyle and Conroy, you have a fair point.

But if we don't lose them, we're only a LB away from a very respectable first choice back 5. Ok, a bit of cover is required, but recent evidence suggests that Knoyle can play 40 games and Conroy is over his injury. Plus Romanski should logically step up and offer reasonable cover at both CB and LB. So we really need to wait and see what happens with those 2 before we go and sign first choice CBs and RBs.

We have a few attacking options but, whatever happens, we do not have a target man and we do not have a striker. At the moment, I would be focusing on signing one of each. I appreciate that it'll only be one of each, and there's no margin for error - get either of them wrong and we're probably going nowhere again.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 12:57:35
If we do lose Knoyle and Conroy, you have a fair point.

But if we don't lose them, we're only a LB away from a very respectable first choice back 5. Ok, a bit of cover is required, but recent evidence suggests that Knoyle can play 40 games and Conroy is over his injury. Plus Romanski should logically step up and offer reasonable cover at both CB and LB. So we really need to wait and see what happens with those 2 before we go and sign first choice CBs and RBs.

We have a few attacking options but, whatever happens, we do not have a target man and we do not have a striker. At the moment, I would be focusing on signing one of each. I appreciate that it'll only be one of each, and there's no margin for error - get either of them wrong and we're probably going nowhere again.

Spot on. If they donít sign then I do agree, we do need to sort the defence first.

If they do then we are a left back away from a decent back 5. Broadbent was only dropped due to the partnership of Conroy and Woolf doing well.

I used Bury as an example. I wasnít saying we have to overspend to do it.

From evidence KA and KW arenít our 20+ strikers (are they even strikers?). Iíd love to be proved wrong next season and we canít just rely on Doughty who, when he is fit, is a class above League 2. There were a few times last season it would be 0-0 or weíd go 1 down and I just couldnít see us scoring. Port vale and Crawley at home come to mind.

Just have to wait and see


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 14:52:08
If we do lose Knoyle and Conroy, you have a fair point.

But if we don't lose them, we're only a LB away from a very respectable first choice back 5. Ok, a bit of cover is required, but recent evidence suggests that Knoyle can play 40 games and Conroy is over his injury. Plus Romanski should logically step up and offer reasonable cover at both CB and LB. So we really need to wait and see what happens with those 2 before we go and sign first choice CBs and RBs.

We have a few attacking options but, whatever happens, we do not have a target man and we do not have a striker. At the moment, I would be focusing on signing one of each. I appreciate that it'll only be one of each, and there's no margin for error - get either of them wrong and we're probably going nowhere again.

The signals coming out at the moment suggests, they're both on their way.... Wellens set a deadline to sign and they haven't whether that was wise or not is moot, but saying things like I only want players who are commited etc, means it suggests these 2 aren't.  So we look at the 1000's of players list.

Of course it can change.... just as it stands interpretation.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:12:19
I'd suggest it is fair to assume Wellens will be bust focusing on signing players for position where he has no players.  If either go, we need a player in their position, so they'd be a priority.  A front man would also be one - regardless of whether we are talking a 5 goal a season plodder or a 20 goal a season wonder - we don't have one.  Fortunately for us, it's not a USA style draft system, so we can approach multiple players at the same time, crazy.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Waffle on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:16:07
Talking about going for a player, id honestly like to see Danny Rowe from Flyde as a punt. 20+ in the conference must be worth a punt, he is young as well?

Plus if he does well, thinking business wise, it may turn into a tidy profit to reinvest if another club comes sniffing.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:26:09
Talking about going for a player, id honestly like to see Danny Rowe from Flyde as a punt. 20+ in the conference must be worth a punt, he is young as well?

Plus if he does well, thinking business wise, it may turn into a tidy profit to reinvest if another club comes sniffing.

Cunt


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:26:28
Fortunately for us, it's not a USA style draft system, so we can approach multiple players at the same time, crazy.

When we do sign a player for position x, you can guarantee we'll have people moaning that we need players in position y. As though signing one prevents us from signing other players that we need.

Happens every year.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:27:16
What about position z?


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Waffle on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:30:57
Cunt

Anything else? Or just keeping to insults rather than a counter point?


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:35:46
Anything else? Or just keeping to insults rather than a counter point?

Ah, seems the memo to new members on the traditional TEF welcome may have got lost in the post.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:36:09
Anything else? Or just keeping to insults rather than a counter point?

Ignore it, its the standard TEF welcome.

What's with all these new posters all of a sudden? Nothing wrong with it of course, adds a certain freshness to proceedings.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:37:52
Ignore it, its the standard TEF welcome.

What's with all these new posters all of a sudden? Nothing wrong with it of course, adds a certain freshness to proceedings.

The captcha code generator was broken, so for the last while nobody* has been able to sign up.

* year ?!

FH sorted it through Barry (presumably)?


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:45:53
I'd suggest it is fair to assume Wellens will be bust focusing on signing players for position where he has no players.  If either go, we need a player in their position, so they'd be a priority.  A front man would also be one - regardless of whether we are talking a 5 goal a season plodder or a 20 goal a season wonder - we don't have one.  Fortunately for us, it's not a USA style draft system, so we can approach multiple players at the same time, crazy.

The point being if you need to sign a more or less complete back 4,  that is going to be a bit more urgent than signing perhaps the one forward we might expect.  Bit being the operative word.... you'd like to think the forward, might be progressing seeing as how we knew Richards was leaving and the other was a loan. presumably Wellens set his deadlne so that he could act in good time and not be scrabbling around in late June/July for defenders.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:47:40
The signals coming out at the moment suggests, they're both on their way....
Not Knoyle, according to Wellens:
Quote
ďBut, from the conversations I am having with Kyle, he is still likely to stay.
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17652892.swindon-town-manager-richie-wellens-provides-an-update-on-kyle-knoyle-and-dion-conroys-contract-negotiations/


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:52:08
Not Knoyle, according to Wellens: https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17652892.swindon-town-manager-richie-wellens-provides-an-update-on-kyle-knoyle-and-dion-conroys-contract-negotiations/

 ďAt the moment, Kyle wonít be staying."


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 15:58:34
The captcha code generator was broken, so for the last while nobody* has been able to sign up.

* year ?!

FH sorted it through Barry (presumably)?

Ah ok!

In that case, welcome new people.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 16:02:47
Good points... Malpas was undone when his primary target Charflie Mulgrew, who subsequently has shown himself to very good, backed out at the point where he was at the club ready to sign.

Charlie...... Some posters on here try to maintain standards of English  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 16:03:55
What about position z?

Or Preparation H.....


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 16:05:17
ďAt the moment, Kyle wonít be staying."
Sounds contrary, but I think he means at the moment, as he hasnít signed a new contract, he is going - but he expects him to sign soon, so heís likely to stay.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 16:09:28
Charlie...... Some posters on here try to maintain standards of English  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Its the American spelling apparently.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 16:11:51
Sounds contrary, but I think he means at the moment, as he hasnít signed a new contract, he is going - but he expects him to sign soon, so heís likely to stay.

Which is why I said as things stand and may change...  Wellens has never done a pre-season before, and I'm sure a complete rebuild isn't an easy thing to do.  Originally he said he'd try and use what we've got for continuity, players knowing his style etc.... then binned that approach, and has probably been caught out a bit by those offered not signing.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 16:27:38
Just for clarity for our new members: Reg is not the arbiter of standards in this forum. Feel free to ignore him. (In fact, I recommend it)


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 17:15:23
Just for clarity for our new members: Reg is not the arbiter of standards in this forum. Feel free to ignore him. (In fact, I recommend it)

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 18:21:23
It's odd, you'd think Reg would be screaming for a front five, like the good old days.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 20:03:42
It's odd, you'd think Reg would be screaming for a front five, like the good old days.

Interestingly Wellens has lamented the lack of wingers in his squad.... the proper old skool wimger is largely a thing of the past, not sure where you'd get one from now.... more typical is the Jermaine McG type, a nippy player who works up and down out wide, but can't really dribble and cross.  Town fans used to love a proper winger, but the dribbler has largely disappeared... Matt Ritchie, the modern type, works up and down and has a good delivery, but doesn't really dribble.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 20:13:20
Charlie...... Some posters on here try to maintain standards of English  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
Reg, your thoughts on the above?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 21:35:41
Reg, your thoughts on the above?  :hmmm:

I did a typo... it happens increasingly with age....and rightly I was pulled up for the error. I'm sure there will be more.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 08:57:13
Interestingly Wellens has lamented the lack of wingers in his squad.... the proper old skool wimger is largely a thing of the past, not sure where you'd get one from now.... more typical is the Jermaine McG type, a nippy player who works up and down out wide, but can't really dribble and cross.  Town fans used to love a proper winger, but the dribbler has largely disappeared... Matt Ritchie, the modern type, works up and down and has a good delivery, but doesn't really dribble.

Do you mean old school winger?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 09:06:09
Do you mean old school winger?  :hmmm:

Whinger? What about minger? Oh hang on, ginger.


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 09:14:34
Whinger? What about minger? Oh hang on, ginger.

Or do we need an old school singer? Maybe Elton after he has retired from that profession?


Title: Re: Yet another not transfer rumours thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 09:26:03
Do you mean old school winger?  :hmmm:

No old skool will do... a sort of nod to the music form of uncertain style or date, with it's ironic suggestion of time wasted on education, rather than music.  Some would offer the late 70's into early 80's hip hop as original old skool. Others the 90's, which coincides with the notion of the winger being outdated.   Of course, wimger is a typo, the n and m being adjacent on the keyboard, as I said there will be others.